The thing is that the Swift Boat Veterans (sic)

[Dhalgren]

They are not calling Kerry a liar, they are saying that the official records lie. Kerry's story is simply a telling of the official record. So when the Swift Boat Veterans (sic) say it is a lie, they are saying that about the official record. If the official record of valor in combat can be falsified for a Lt.jg, then it can be for anyone. We aren't talking about some bird colonel riding a desk and cooking up some citations for his vita, we are talking about a forward deployed Lt.jg in the thick of combat and the records get cooked for him? Audy Murphy? Nah, never happened. He just capture an octogenarian cook and a worn-out prostetute who had gotten their volkswagon stuck in a ditch, that's all. The rest was just written up by Murphy to make himself look good. McCain? He wasn't even a P.O.W. He was holed-up in a Bangkok whorehouse all those years, hooked on skag and just staggared out at the right time. The rest he just wrote up himself to make himself look good.


If the official record cannot be trusted, then no one's metals mean shit

[wurzel]

1. The "official record" gave Bush an honorable discharge.

[Dhalgren]

2. We don't know that for sure,

because he won't release his DD214. Without that document we only have secondary sources for that statement. I'll believe it when I see an unexpurgated copy of the asshole's DD214.

[wurzel]

6. I'm very glad to be correct on that. Thanks.

The "double standard" on military records has bothered me. (If I believe Kerry's then I felt I had to believe Bush's).

[Dhalgren]

8. Yeah, and one of the first records Kerry released

was his DD214. Why no one calls Bush on this is beyond me.

[wurzel]

9. With what we have for a "Media"??

[beanball]

3. The shifty,salty,shitty,sailors.

selling their souls for seventy pieces of silver.

[Dhalgren]

4. Cool aliteration, and spot on.

[stavka]

5. You can't write up your own medals....

You can provide testimony about them

You must either be recommended by somebody else, or an adminstrative process must be triggered - like a test score, or wound, or a posting

it's not like people write a letter to their CO and say, "I think I deserve a bronze star because..."

[Dhalgren]

7. But that is what the Swift Bloat Liars are saying happened.

That Kerry some how cooked the official records. If people believe them, then no metals are worth shit.