Why I'm Positive Obama Has Never Had an Affair

[WeDidIt]

First of all, I don't think Michelle would take too kindly to such a thing.

Second of all, it's obvious that Barack and Michelle are very much in love.

Finally, whenever the two are on the stage together, pay attention to where Barack is looking as Michelle leaves the stage.

[NightWatcher]

1. he is so checking out her ass. I agree, I think she'd hurt him bad if he strayed

[JoFerret]

54. Yuk

On both statements.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

122. so now it's not ok to be turned on by one's WIFE? Your feminist sensabilities have gotten out of han

[olkaz]

124. There is a LOT of this going around.

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments.

[eshfemme]

2. Yeah, I don't think that I am just projecting my hopes onto him. He really is decent.

I seriously can not see him cheating on her. More like I see lots of women throwing themselves at him only to fall flat on their face. Granted, he'd reject them with class, but I still see him rejecting them. Also, with how dearly he cherishes his daughters, that's another reason to give him pause even if the thought's crossed his mind.

[backscatter712]

64. Exactly.

That's why I became such an Obama fan - he doesn't act like a typical head-up-his-ass politician, he doesn't show arrogance, he shows in everything he does, even when he screws up, that he's a basically good human being.

[LibraLiz1973]

3. I'm positive Michelle would have taken care of business if he had

I don't think she would have gotten on board with a Presidential run.
Frankly, I think she would have left. She doesn't seem like a woman
who suffers fools gladly.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Being in love with your wife is sideways to the question

(I also doubt Obama has strayed, just for different reasons.)

Many men who despise their wives are faithful

Many men who sincerely love their wives cheat

[CoffeeCat]

9. How can anyone...

...who claims to "sincerely love" someone lie to that person and screw someone
else behind their back?

I think we have different definitions of "sincerely love."

I doubt any woman who found out that her husband had boinked someone behind
her back--just so he could get his rocks off--would feel "sincerely loved."


He may think he loves her, but that's quite narcissistic. Loving someone isn't
about your own feelings...it's about the other person's feelings.

[Pisces]

30. wow, grow up.

[Clark2008]

50. I think you're the one who needs to grow up.

Real men don't cheat. And men who don't cheat are most definitely grown up.

[CoffeeCat]

65. Up is down?

Grow up?

So, remaining faithful, honest and sensitive to your loved one's feelings is a sign of
immaturity?

That's majorly fucked up.

[niceypoo]

39. Because it is human nature to do so...

It is a hormone thing, monogomy is an unnatural state of being in humans....

But we try to fight it as best we can.....

[CoffeeCat]

67. I understand that you feel that way...

...but many people don't.

Many people, including myself, find the richness, depth and satisfaction
from a real, honest relationship to be more important than screwing around
with multiple partners.

In fact, the thought of multiple partners, dating--and all of that jazz, seems
like child's play to me--compared to what I have now.

I agree that monogamy may be more difficult when you're younger--because of biology
and hormones. However, richer experiences await as a person ages.

[Erin Elizabeth]

71. Oh it's very possible, believe me.

[JeanGrey]

82. Bingo. I'm always amazed at how people can separate love

and sex like that.

[ingac70]

10. No one who sincerely loves their spouse cheats.

Assholes like that love getting off more than anyone else.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. Enjoying your first week on planet Earth?

Unless you circularly define love as fidelity and fidelity as love your blanket statement is absurd.

[ingac70]

21. So I suppose one can beat the shit out of one's spouse and still love them too.

If emotional abuse (cheating) is cool, I reckon physical abuse is cool too.

Cheaters don't love anybody.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. You really like these circular definitions.

cheating=emotional abuse
fidelity=love

It's like reading a James Dobson pamphlet

[SoxFan]

33. K&H jumps the shark

Defending infidelity. How charming.

And no, it's not "like reading a James Dobson pamphlet". It's attitudes like yours that cede the high ground to frauds like Dobson.

Mike and Kitty Dukakis have been married for almost 50 years. Joe and Jill Biden have been together for over 30 years. Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter. Paul and Jeanne Simon. Harry and Bess Truman. All great Democratic love stories, and none of them involved cheating.

Cheating is betrayal, and it's flat out wrong.

[niceypoo]

43. How do you know none of them involved cheating?

Are you a fly on the wall in their private lives? Monogomy is unnatural in humans. In a lot of ways it is based in jealousy or insecurity. People are human and humans fuck, it is a hormonal thing. Wives do it too, ya know....

[WillyT]

44. And Exactly How Do You Know The People You Cite Never Cheated ???

Just because they've been married for decades???

There are many many couples who have been married for decades, where one or both have cheated.

Could be an agreement they have, could be that they were never found out, could be that they found out and forgave.

BTW - How many years have Bill and Hillary Clinton been married?

:shrug:

[niceypoo]

47. That is the big difference between Dems and Republicans

Republicans get divorced at the drop of a hat, Dems work it out. That old compassion thing again.....

[Erin Elizabeth]

76. How do you know that for sure?

You know for 100% absolutely CERTAIN that none of the people in those marriage you cited has EVER cheated?

Really?

There's no way you know that for certain.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

107. Learn to READ, Moran

"Defending infidelity. How charming."

If you cannot comprehend written English it doesn't make you a bad person, but it is a disqualification in your chosen field of telling other people what they just wrote.

Fidelity and Love are not interchangeable terms. Stating that they are not interchangeable terms is not a defense of infidelity.

If you don't even know what common words like love and fidelity mean, why weigh in with your cretinous reactions?

And your assertion that you know who has cheated and who has not marks you as not merely dense, but actually delusional.

[Triana]

31. cheaters and beaters feel entitled and want power and control...

...having multiple women is part of that.

[niceypoo]

41. Comparing apples and oranges....

Oh, and by the way, wives cheat too...

[Erin Elizabeth]

73. You're assuming cheaters are always men, aren't you?

[JoFerret]

93. Ridiculous.

Although - it must be said Adam and Eve stayed together for the sake of the kids.And look how they turned out.

If marital infidelity = cheating you must think marriage is a game of bridge.

[JoFerret]

25. What planet are these people from?

On what meat do they feed? etc.

Jesus - such drivel.Are they actually human?

[ismnotwasm]

38. Why?

I keep seeing that around here and I'm not getting the logic of love = infidelity, at least in the (presumably) emotionally and sexually mature.

Monogamy is a choice, maybe that is where I'm confused, because both my husband and I choose monogamy over other options. We're open and honest with each other. He's a jealous type, and I'm not, but even that doesn't mar our ability to discuss our needs. I would devastate him if I cheated on him, because of the level of trust, openness and respect we have for each other. It makes me literally sick even to consider what it would do to him. He feels the same way, we're best friends, and we just wouldn't shit on what we have like that. (17 years together---raised the Brady bunch from hell too)


Maybe other folks just don't get there, I don't know.

[JeanGrey]

83. Absurd? Not on THIS planet. Maybe on Mars.

:eyes:

[niceypoo]

40. Sure they do

Never say never.

[JoFerret]

56. Lol.

Edwards still had a better health plan - which is more to the point disappointed though we may be with this revelation.

[Erin Elizabeth]

72. I sincerely love my spouse.

And always have.

I truly feel I always will.

And that had absolutely nothing to do with why I had a brief affair 10 years ago. It was borne out of other conditions, other reasons, long-building circumstances, and it was an ENORMOUS mistake I will never repeat as long as I live and breathe.

It was stupid. But yes, I very much did love him and still do.

[JeanGrey]

84. Then you didn't love him then.

[debbierlus]

97. This is surreal. You have no idea of that persons feelings

You have such a strong emotional reaction and judgement to infidelity, your opinion is clouding your judgement.

Wow.

[JeanGrey]

114. Sorry but I don't buy the excuses for infidelity.

I would never be unfaithful to my husband WHILE WE ARE MARRIED. That is what it is all about.

[Erin Elizabeth]

128. Believe it or not, I'm grateful for the experience.

(Though if I could re-do things, I'd make the better decision.) For only one reason: I used to have the same whiplash kind of judgementalness you do. It forced me into the humility of remembering that where others have screwed up, I have too.

And I don't offer ANYTHING as an excuse, but an explanation of motives. It's important to understand why things like this sometimes happen. Not to excuse them, but to understand. Understanding means it's far less likely to happen again. I learned a LOT about myself from that experience and I know I am virtually cheating-resistant now.

It's wonderful that you can hold your head so high and feel so negatively about other people's mistakes. I don't have that luxury and if that means I don't sound like a judgemental asshole, then I'm thankful I don't have that luxury.

[Erin Elizabeth]

102. Yes, I did.

And there's no way you can say I didn't. I know I did. I never stopped loving him, not for one moment.

[JeanGrey]

115. That is fine but it doesn't wash with me.

[Erin Elizabeth]

127. Fortunately you don't matter in my marriage.

My bigger point was to step back and realize that human behavior can be a bit more complex than a means b. Or if you do this then you can't possibly feel this. Human behavior, human emotions, all too complex to fit your one size fits all definitions.

[debbierlus]

96. That is black and white thinking, and it is simply not true

Affairs aren't always about sex, either.

[Erin Elizabeth]

104. THAT is very true.

My affair involved sex, ultimately. But it really didn't have anything to do with it, for me. For me it was about the fact that someone was paying attention to me for the first time in a very long time and I was in a really fragile emotional state to begin with. And then my husband moved out of state two weeks ahead of when I could follow. And then the perfect day for consumation of the affair happened. A perfect storm of conditions that a stronger, more mature woman (I was really young) could have resisted, but I didn't. And I will regret it every single day for the rest of my life.

None of that had anything to do with my feelings for my husband. I loved him very much and wanted him to love me again. The sex part was just petty "revenge" in my mind for his completely ignoring my existence for two years.

It's often WAY more complicated than people think. Which is why these blanket judgements don't hold any water.

As a happy postscript, once the crisis was over, we reconciled, worked hard for many years, went to counseling, and well...just basically worked our asses off to save our relationship. And save it we did. We were able to do so *because* we both still loved each other (contrary to what some might theorize about love and cheating) and we were both still very devoted to making it work.

That was so many years ago, over a decade. It seems like it happened to someone else, almost. I can still get eaten up by the guilt. But I try not to. Life goes on and we're happy. We wouldn't change what we have for all the money in the world.

[JeanGrey]

116. I don't use sex for "revenge". Not in marriage. If people

could get that through their heads there would be a lot less unhappy people.

[Erin Elizabeth]

126. Did you miss the part where I said I was young, it was over

a decade ago and where I never once tried to justify anything?

Seriously. I SAID it was stupid. I KNEW it was stupid. Sometimes people do stupid things. How hard is this to understand? The bigger part of this is the part where I LEARNED from it and we were able to move on and get happier.

[krabigirl]

108. Were you born yesterday? Seriously?

[ingac70]

109. No, but I've been married twice and had a few relationships...

people who fuck around and potentially expose me to disease get kicked to the curb. There is no forgiveness.

[polmaven]

34. You're absolutely right.

I have no doubt that John Edwards loves Elizabeth very much.

[JeanGrey]

85. OH sure he adores her and his kids too. Father of the Year,

right? (I wonder to which kid that award stands).

[polmaven]

103. My, my,

aren't we judgmental today! I have always learned that that type of superior attitude has a tendency to jump up and bite one in the ass. Be watchful, OK?

[JeanGrey]

117. From what I am reading on this thread I'm not the one who

needs to be watchful and it is very sad.

[msanthrope]

118. Indeed--JeanGrey may want to look at the case of Wendy Vitter---

"His wife, Wendy, was asked by the Newhouse reporter: If her husband were as unfaithful as Livingston or former President Bill Clinton, would she be as forgiving as Hillary Rodham Clinton?

“I’m a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary,” Wendy Vitter told Newhouse News. “If he does something like that, I’m walking away with one thing, and it’s not alimony, trust me.”

“I think fear is a very good motivating factor in a marriage,” she added. “Don’t put fear down.”"

Snip--more at link--

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4850.html


I'm still waiting for Wendy to make good on her promise....

[Erin Elizabeth]

129. Did someone cheat on you?

[JoFerret]

53. And loving his kids...

- which of course we know ALL about (It's probably dead on) - means he could not have an affair?

Amazing logic.

Is DU full of infants?

[JeanGrey]

86. Apprently it is.

[JoFerret]

106. If we are lucky this may be the end of the obligatory gooey pictures

of loving political couples holding hands and gazing starstruck at each other. Such behavior is best kept private.

[madeline_con]

123. Sincere love and cheating don't go together.

If a partner feels an undeniable urge to be with someone else, they should break it off with the present SO. To do otherwise is disrespectful of the SO's feelings.

[Eurobabe]

5. I never got the impression that Eliz. and John were no longer

"in love." Did you?

[WeDidIt]

7. I never got the impression there was that raw physical attraction

that is so obvious between Michelle and Barack.

The emotional side, yeah, but I never saw John checking out Elizabeth's butt every time she left the stage.

[Quixote1818]

52. I agree. I could feel there was a lack of attraction

I think John loves Elizabeth but it has settled into more of a deep friendship. The fire is rarely like it was the first few years no matter who you are.

[JeanGrey]

87. Look - men have screwed around on thier wives with a lot

less attractive women when their sex life at home as been hot as hell. THAT means nothing.

[Blue_Roses]

6. I agree. He's very in love with his wife.

It's nice to see:)

[Peacetrain]

8. Michelle Obama is one of the nicest people you will ever get a chance to meet

I met her once, and so impressed. You cannot fake that kind of genuine openness. But I get the feeling if Obama did stray, she would clean house with him, the woman, the press, and anyone else who got in her familys' buisness. And you get that same sense with Obama towards Michelle. They are just a real couple.

[Frances]

11. I think there is a reason that Jesus said "Let he who is without

sin cast the first stone"

I think that it's possible for anyone to succumb to temptation under the right conditions. That's why the statistics say that a high percentage of married people are unfaithful at some point.

That said, I think the McCain's infidelity was much more hurtful than Edwards'. McCain never asked for forgiveness and he left his wife and children for another younger, much richer woman.

[Peacetrain]

16. That is true.. it can happen to anyone!

[JeanGrey]

88. NO. It can't. It can't happen to me and won't. You see, when

I took those vows, I meant them. Some of us do.

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. Elizabeth is just as much the woman as Michelle is.

And I would venture to guess that Elizabeth thought she was very much in love too.

[Blue_Roses]

15. she is and comparing the two is ridiculous

both are awesome women

[spooky3]

20. I don't think the OP intends to insult Elizabeth or to presume something

no one other than the couple can possibly know. But that's the effect of the comments.

Anyone who thinks he/she knows everything about who might cheat, why it could happen, or the dynamics of someone else's marriage has never been married or is waaaaayyyy too confident in what s/he knows.

I personally think what political couples do is their own business and not mine. As a long-time Edwards supporter and donor, I am far more troubled about his lying and the accusations that others were lying, when in fact they were telling the truth. He should have either (a) answered openly and honestly or (b) declared (consistently) that questions were becoming too personal and he refused to answer anything that fell into the category of no one else's business.

[Peacetrain]

19. I think anyone with an ounce of sense knows that :)

Right now I am none too happy with John, because of what that kind of stress can do to a person, especially someone who is dealing with the cancer issues Elizabeth is. I just hope they can get off the political stage and heal in private.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. We finally get a chance to see black love and appreciate it up and close. Obama and

Edwards should not be put in the same sentence! The Obamas seem truly and helplessly in love.

[LostinVA]

51. WTF is "black love"???

Oh boy.

[pecwae]

61. What?!

Pray enlighten us as to what is 'black' love. How does it differ from 'white', 'yellow' or 'brown' love? This is just such an awesomely ignorant statement that it's stunning.

[marimour]

66. its a black thing. lol

Its just a phrase when we see 2 black people happily married and defeating all the stereotypes about single mothers and deadbeat dads.

[NatBurner]

79. basically. they wouldn't understand.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. The media rarely shows black people in loving relationships. The images we see of black people are

babies' mama and babies' daddy. You can insult me all you want but we finally are seeing positive role models, a black couple who are in love and are not the Huxtables. There's no difference but that's not what we're used to seeing as a society.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

121. Right on! (and I'm white, and sensitive to racial stereotypes) n/t

[janx]

17. It's not just about sex though.

It's about friendship and partnership. After 50 years on this planet I'm inclined to believe that the more equal partnership and friendship are at the center of a marriage, the more likely the marriage will thrive. Everything centers around that: sex, money, whether or not to have children and how the children are raised, etc.

[KittyWampus]

18. and screwing around on your wife is not about sex either. THAT is often more about power

So it's the flip side of what you just mentioned.

[janx]

22. Exactly! That's what I mean.

It's an arrogant thing to do, and the implication is that your wife or husband is a "thing," not good enough anymore.

My brother and sister-in-law have been married for 26 years. They are still in love. They're playful. They still enjoy sex--although they joke about it sometimes at their age. ;-) But it's a very egalitarian marriage, and they never had kids. They don't always agree, but they're honest with each other.

My brother still occasionally tells me how beautiful his wife is. Sometimes he just stares at her.

[WeDidIt]

23. That's the beauty I see in the Obama marriage.

First and foremost, they are friends and partners. Beyond that, there is real pghysical attraction that is obvious.

[janx]

26. Those two are definitely a team!

O8)

[Triana]

32. equal partnership, friendship, respect, trust - are all things that are damaged or destroyed...

..when someone cheats or abuses (verbally, emotionally or physically). Cheating is emotional abuse, IMO.

So - yea, you're right - it's far from being just about sex!

[janx]

57. It often has nothing to do with sex.

I love being the 50-year-old lady that I am at this time. I've been married and divorced twice, so I may be a dumb ass, but I now understand a lot that I didn't understand before, and my brother and sister-in-law compose the model example.

Infidelity is a symptom of something that is wrong in a marriage--and I don't mean this as an excuse.

Edwards said that he became somewhat of a narcissist, and that that was the cause. I don't think so. In order to be able to become that way, certain assumptions had to exist on his part in the first place, the largest of which was some kind of feeling of superiority to Elizabeth.

This isn't limited to the Edwards family. It happens often. It's sexism and ignorance.

And I don't mean to demean them. This is common and still exists in our culture, but I'll be damned if I will ever again have anything to do with it, which is why I'm a fairly happy old lady!

[JoFerret]

24. Whatever...

...absurd nonsense.

[mokawanis]

27. Bit of a stretch

I'm not implying he has cheated by any means but to say that you are 100% sure a public figure never cheated on their spouse is stretching logic to the snapping point.

[girl_interrupted]

29. Never spit up in the air because it might land in your face

No one can be "positive" about what goes on in other people's marriages, except for the husband and wife, themselves. To think otherwise, is ridiculous.

I think it is very unkind to compare the Obama's & the Edwards. Michele Obama maybe a lovely woman, but she's no Beyoncé, either. Keep in mind all the "talk" about emails between Scarlet Johansen & Barack a few weeks ago. It's better not to "assume" anything or look down on others.

Jacqueline Kennedy had to be one of the most beautiful women in the world, still her husband cheated. She & JFK were The "Perfect" couple. You can't go by appearances. In the real world, people can be very much in love and still stray. Love and Sex don't always go hand in hand. Marriage isn't always a bed of roses. That's just a fact of life.

I remember Vitters wife who boasted how she would never forgive her husband for cheating the way Hillary Clinton did. She would go "Lorena Bobbit" on her husband. Yeah, right. Walk a mile in someone else's moccasins before you cast stones.

And as far as "faithfulness" is concerned, one only has to look at a holier than thou bush to know it doesn't necessarily make you a good leader.

Power is an aphrodisiac, it brings with it many temptations. When it comes to politicans, its just better to keep quiet and hope for the best. Otherwise, it might come back and bite you in the ass.

Just Never spit up in the air because it might land in your face.

[AngryAmish]

35. Positive?

You are naive.

[LWolf]

36. What American women take kindly to their husband's affairs?

For the sake of his family, and this nation, I certainly hope you are correct.

I don't think public displays of affection on the part of a politician and his wife are good indicators of the private relationship. But again, I hope you are right.

It's been troubling to me to watch Democrats struggle for the high ground every time a leading democrat gets caught with his pants down.

There really is no high ground other than honoring commitments, both private and public, imo.

[Heather MC]

37. I've noticed when they are together he never takes his hands off of her

You can't fake that type of natural Devotion
in Contrast, pay attention to how Cindy seems to Wince ever time McCain touches her


But just image what the White House could look like
with Barack and Michelle as Occupants

[GoesTo11]

42. As if a homely guy like him

would even have any other women willing to sleep with him. Crime takes means, motive AND opportunity.

[quaker bill]

45. you should mark

this sort of comment as the sarcasm I expect that it is. Dennis Kucinich had rafts of marriage proposals during his 2004 campaign. I suspect that if Barack was in the market, he would have his hands full very quickly.

As others have noted, Michelle does seem to have his complete attention.

[GoesTo11]

48. That was sarcasm. Barack isn't homely.

Too late to edit.

Kucinich rocks, by the way.

[Barack_America]

46. It's his empathetic nature that makes me sure...

People who can not only understand, but FEEL, how their actions affect others are less likely to act so selfishly.

[whatchamacallit]

49. NOOOOOOOOOO JINX!

:scared:

[demokatgurrl]

55. Michelle would KICK HIS ASS. Period. n/t

[janx]

59. haha

My sister-in-law once said to my brother that if he ever had an affair, she'd break his legs! This was a joke, of course. She's much smaller than he is.

He repeats the joke often.

[Whisp]

58. this thread creeps me out.

first of all, never say never about anything or anyone. neither always.
second, this feels more an invasion of privacy than talking about Edwards right now.

i know, I'm wierd, but this is icky!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

60. I chuckle at your naivete'. nt

[Honeycombe8]

62. First, men don't stray because they are no longer interested in their wives.

Second, the wives' actions have little bearing on whether, or why, a man strays. So whether Michelle would get pissed or hurt wouldn't stop Obama from making a mistake in the heat of the moment.

Third, I can't count the times I've heard women say that THEIR husbands, or someone else's husband that they know, would NEVER stray. Ha. The stat is that MOST husbands are unfaithful. So look around you....most of the husbands you see (and that includes one's own) are being unfaithful or have been unfaithful.

You never know which ones will stray and which ones don't.

For the record...at least half of the wives are unfaithful, as well, I've read.

(But my opinion is that Obama wouldn't be unfaithful at this stage of the game...but my reasons are:
1. I saw him back off from an attractive blonde fan at a rally who went to hug him. Obama is very aware that any hint of a sex scandal would ruin his chances...even an innocent photo. He's politically savvy.

2. He seems to have something that some men don't have, which is control. I could be wrong about this, but that's how he strikes me. He's able to control his impulses.

3. He does seem to have at his core a sense of character, not having had a father growing up and wanting to provide that to his children, and create the family he never had. Doesn't mean he wouldn't ruin it all by making a mistake. But he seems to have his head on straight about this.


But even so...he's just a man. Put him on a bus, in the middle of the night, alone with an attractive woman who wants him, he's tired, hasn't had sex in a while....you just never know.

[JeanGrey]

89. Sorry. There are faithful couples everywhere. We're one of them.

Thirty years and still faithful. He still takes my breath away and I love him as much as I ever did at 24. And he me. As he shows every day and in his faithfulness.

[Independent_Voice]

110. What stats?

Where did you read that most men cheat and half of all wives are unfaithful?

What makes you think the people surveyed would even answer it honestly?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. such a load of horseshit. first its not like elizabeth took this kindly

its such a crappy thing to say right now

secondly, when elizabeth and john were campaigning together .. they looked very much in love

just cos the man strayed there is nothing to say he was never in love

ugh

[npincus]

68. Michelle would put his nuts in a jar.

[Hoof Hearted]

70. Until 2006 I'm sure Elizabeth was positive too. Don't ever say what a man won't do.

You might be correct - but you can't be positive about anything. Period. People who are very much in love cheat all the time. Happens every day.

[vaberella]

77. As a woman...let's be fair. Women are just as liable...just not that many women politicians

compared to men.

[JeanGrey]

90. Men are known for screwing around on sick and disabled

wives.

[LisaL]

74. Did you think Edwards was cheating?

WTF do we know of what's actually going on. Let's hope Obama is smarter than this.

[JeanGrey]

91. What do we know? Of course we know! He admitted it.

Are you confused?

[polmaven]

101. Wake up!

The poster was quite obviously referring to our knowledge BEFORE his admission. in 2007, did you know John Edwards was having an affair?

[JeanGrey]

113. YES! The Enqurier broke this story over a year ago!

That is what I mean. I know many people heard it then and just pushed it aside. Who needs to wake up?

[polmaven]

130. Um, calm down, read your previous post...

"Of course we know! He admitted it."

He admitted it last week. Are you confused?

[Erin Elizabeth]

75. I'm sure there are people here who have been married

longer than I have--17 years--but the length of time I've been married tends to give you some good perspective. And the biggest one is this: you don't know and can never really know what is in other people's hearts and private lives.

My comments are not to be related to the Obamas at ALL. I'm just saying that you CANNOT guess as to the state or intensity of love just from afar. You cannot guess as to the fidelity.

It's futile. No outside person can ever get in there, unless one spouse writes a tell-all and even THEN, that's only the point of view of one half of the people in the marriage.

So please don't guess as to these things. And let's try to lay off all the judgement.

[sister_rosa_refried]

78. Well, dear,

Sister thinks that the lovely Michelle would provide a bit of surgical removal if you know what Sister means, dear.

[JeanGrey]

92. I agree. She'd cut his balls off and she comes across as being

fully in control in that area if you catch my drift. I don't think he'd be strayin'

[kristyt]

80. I Love Obama But I Realize He's Human

Humans are mildly polygynous with faithful monogamy being slightly in the minority.

Politicians are by nature powerful, outgoing, often well-spoken etc... i.e. they get hit on a lot.

Politicians are also away from their families traveling quite frequently.

I would never assume a candidate hasn't had affairs, but I think we give them far too much importance.

If your spouse has an affair it's a different matter. Your spouse probably isn't super powerful, outgoing, away from you frequently, and getting sex offered to him or her 24/7. And yet the majority of couples STILL have infidelity issues. An affair is much more meaningful in a typical relationship than for a politician or celebrity.

The politicians have to be careful not to pull a McCain and have an affair with someone doing business (lobbying in Vicki Iseman's case) and getting undue policy influence. That's why McCain's affair is a far bigger deal than Clinton's or Edwards...

I love Obama, but the man really is extraordinary if he has remained consistently faithful. It's especially praiseworthy if true.

[Skittles]

81. you are very naive

I'm not speculating on Obama - just saying, you are very naive

[last_texas_dem]

94. I'm not 100-percent positive about everything that does or doesn't go on

in anyone's sex life but my own.

[debbierlus]

95. They are a great couple.

A power couple who have the hots for each other.

[gblady]

99. they sure appear to.....

my fav...

[debbierlus]

100. That is so cute.

[polichick]

98. Nobody knows what goes on inside someone else's marriage...

Just a few weeks ago, hundreds of posters here would've said the same things about the Edwards' marriage.

[krabigirl]

105. I don't even think about these things.

[Beacool]

111. None of what you have listed would prevent an affair.

I don't know or care whether Obama has had or will have an affair, but loving his wife and checking her ass wouldn't make a blasted difference in this matter.

[CrazyDude]

112. Not that I believe Obama is having an affair, but Jack Kennedy was into Jackie too n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

119. To be devil's advocate, I think it seemed obvious to me that John and Elizabeth were in love, too.

And they may very well still be. A spouse's indiscretion doesn't automatically doom a relationship and mean the couple doesn't love each other anymore.

But I'm not going to speculate, and right now there is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything except the fact that Barack and Michelle have been 100% faithful to each other. Not that I care, but I won't go assuming anything without evidence.

[TrogL]

120. Why on earth would you even post this?

Google can be your enemy.

[MasonJar]

125. I used to think the same about the way Edwards looked at Elizabeth.

However, in Barack's case I seriously doubt he would step over that line.

[izzybeans]

131. I can't, 'cause...umm...I'm too busy looking in the same place.

[theboss]

132. I think Michelle needs to let the world know that she would cut him

I mean, if you have the image of the scary black woman..fuck it...run with it.