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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:31 AM
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Wes Clark For VP! Here's Why:
1. His humble background
2. His intelligence
3. His military experience
4. His foreign policy experience
5. His leading a war where not one soldier was lost in combat, and Milosivec went to the Hague
6. Saving the lives of 1.5 million Ethnic Albanians
7. His successful marriage to Gert
8. His work in the 2006 elections
9. His work against war with Iran (StopIranWar.com)
10. His heroism, which he is highly decorated for
11. His leadership (Supreme Allied Commander of NATO)
12. His bipartisan appeal
13. His character
14. His integrity
15. His southern appeal
16. His connection to the Clintons. His being a VP candidate will pull in many disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters)
17. He breaks the mold of the "Democrats are weak in foreign policy, military, and national security matters" BS the MSM
spews.
18. He is indeed an attack dog the Dems (that's us) need. (Check the faux news interview w/asman, 11-17-03)
19. His looks (I know, but just try and explain why he doesn't look the part of a VP, and eventually, a president)
20. HIs political experience, yes I said it.
21. His support of veterans and veteran issues.
22. His compassion (60 Minutes II interview w/Dan Rather 2003)



- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Give me time, I have more. Please explain your VP preference as well, and reasons. It would be nice to hear from everyone.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:33 AM
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1. I have no arguments with your reasoning.
particularly #18
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:33 AM
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2. Clark s not an effective attack dog
I love Wes and supported him in '04, but he's a bad politician. Half his attacks would end up back-firing because he doesn't have the instinct of political self-censorship.

He says things that are true, but that you "can't" say. That's why I like him, and why I wouldn't choose him.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:46 AM
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3. Obama/Clark!
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 09:47 AM by yellerpup
He's an honest, principled, brilliant leader who appeals to MOR independents and many conservative dems because of his military experience. He is a good match with Obama 's temperment and intellectual ability. Plus, he has proven to be heroic, trustworthy and brave. Your list is excellent, BTW. Of course, the choice is up to Obama. K&R! :kick:

Edit for typo.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:46 AM
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4. I'd proudly support that ticket.
If Obama can get people to realize that he can handle the economy, there is no way that ticket could lose.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:08 AM
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5. # 23. Clark Taught Economics At The College Level, And He Was In OMB In The WH
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 10:12 AM by Dinger
I'm just sayin'. Knew there was more I forgot to list.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:12 AM
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6. Here's Another Reason (#24):
24. No ties to lobbyist/special interests/corporations
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:13 AM
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7. Well then. That makes him perfect in my book.
I didnt know either of those things. Now I'll be REALLY disappointed if Clark isnt chosen. I cant think of a smarter choice. Thanks for the info!
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:19 AM
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8. Probably the only wise choice left...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:22 AM
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9. Awwww, I Like That : )
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:23 AM
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10. I agree with you, Dinger.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:30 AM
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11. Clark was valedictorian of his class at West Point!
:rofl: What was McCain? 5th from the bottom?! Contrast much?! :rofl:

And also... from the huffpo article I was just reading...

"He won a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford where he earned a degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics. He then graduated from the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College with a master's in military science."

Wow. Suddenly I feel like a mental dwarf.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:30 AM
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12. Great post...am bookmarking it. I've always thought Wes would make a great VP on the ticket. nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:35 AM
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14. Thank You : )
This news about Wednesday night's theme being "Securing America's Future" has my heart pounding, big time!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:05 PM
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27. Hi Dinger. I just registered over at Wes Clark's site. Looks like
there are a few really big cats (if you get my meaning) over there. But I love the site and I love all the Wes Clark information.

I registered because I think you are right about this. I really, really HOPE you're right about this. The "Securing America's Future" stuff is the best hint we've ever had.

I can't imagine a better team. They're both brilliant, handsome, charismatic, and they both have the benefit of great education and experience. And Wes' knowledge of the economy is a big, big plus, in my opinion. They complement each other in ways that no other combination does.

Okay, you've gotten me all fired up now. Just please, please, please let it come to pass. Gee. Until now I've been trying to just go with the flow, not care too much about the VP pick. And now you've gone and done it.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:17 PM
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31. Forgive Me?
Hope so:)


:pals:



:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:19 PM
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32. I don't think there's anything to forgive. You're a dem.
I'm a dem. And hey, if Clark's the VP everybody's gotta be happy. I agree that would go a long way toward healing.

:hug:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:35 AM
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13. He's probably the ONLY choice that makes sense, at this point. Georgia may overshadow the election
Nobody has better credentials dealing with the region than Wes.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:37 AM
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15. K & R
He is my choice as well. I have been a Clarkie since 2004.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:37 AM
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16. Plus This: Wednesday Night is Veterans Night
AND the night the VP is announced.

HMMMM....
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:52 AM
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17. Holy Shit!
How could it be anybody BUT Clark with all this?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:39 AM
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25. He's announcing Wednesday?
How do we know that?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:12 PM
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29. It's listed in the itinerary
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 12:13 PM by TwilightZone
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/a_veep_convention_hint.html

Wednesday, August 27 -- Securing America’s Future

The Vice Presidential Acceptance Speech

The headline prime-time speaker on Wednesday will be Barack Obama’s Vice Presidential Nominee.


That doesn't necessarily mean that it'll be announced that Wednesday, of course. Could be sooner.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:59 AM
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18. Decent choice
Clark would make a good VP. I don't really have a preference although I'd love to see Barbara Boxer on the ticket.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:25 AM
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19. Interesting tidbits from Clarks website:
These are the top seven links on Clarks "blog buzz" page:

Daily Kos: Obama/Clark: Best VP for Barack; Best ticket for the country, 8/7/08
Daily Kos: Wes Clark Unimpeachable Advocate; Military/Foreign Policy Expert; Top VP Choice, 8/6/08
Huffington Post: And It's Got To Be... Gen. Wesley Clark, 8/5/08
Daily Kos: Wes Clark is best VP choice for Barack Obama and the country., 8/1/08
Daily Kos: The (Strong) Case for Clark, 8/1/08

International Crises Group: Failed Responsibility: Iraqi Refugees in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, 8/1/08
Open Left: Wes Clark for VP, 7/31/08

http://securingamerica.com/blogbuzz

Add to that the fact that the VP nights theme just *happens* to be the name of Clarks PAC... and I'd say it looks like he might just be our guy!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:33 AM
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21. Please, Please, Please!
I'll even try to behave, for a while anyway:evilgrin:
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:30 AM
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20. Would be perfect
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:33 AM
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22. imo Clark is a good choice - and I love him as an attack dog...
He said exactly what needs to be said about McCain ~ and what Obama can't say. That episode could've been a good cop, bad cop situation.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:34 AM
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23. #23. Puts Arkansas in play
Wes Clark would be a wonderful pick, crossing my fingers on this one.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:37 AM
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24. Crossing My Fingers, And Anything Else That Helps! (nt)
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:02 PM
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26. Not going to happen. Clark has major baggage from how he left EUCOM and Shelton's comment about him.
I know a lot of DUers love Clark, but he will NOT be Obama's VP pick. Whether it is fair or not, Clark's early departure from EUCOM combined with what CJCS Gen. Hugh Shelton said about him later on puts him out of the running.

If Obama goes with a former general, it will probably be Tony Zinni. Zinni is a retired Marine General who was the head of CentCom before Franks and was against the Iraq War. He has also been a special envoy for the Israel Palistine issue.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:07 PM
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28. Shelton NEVER Explained Those Comments, And Therefore Had NOTHING To Back Them Up
It was a smear job, and Shelton never denied it. I think it goes back to Clark's going above his head in the Kosovo Campaign.
Wes didn't follow the chain of command, and Shelton was pissed about it. In the process of doing this, Clark saved over a million lives, and I would guess that he doesn't regret his decision, even if it cost him politically. Shelton seems bitter to me, and if he thinks he can do better, he should run for office.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:24 PM
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33. Do you really think it matters if Shelton explained them? That quote will be dragged out two minutes
after Clark is announced as VP.

I want to be clear on this, I think have a lot of respect for Wes Clark and the awesome military career he had.

However, the Rethugs will have an ad already to go if Clark is picked as the VP. The way they will sell it to Joe Sixpack is that Clark was fired for a lack of "integerity and character". The news story will go from talking about Obama's VP pick to what happened for Clark to leave EUCOM before his three years was up and why Shelton made those comments. Then the story will be how the Obama vetting team screwed up.

I completely agreee with you that Shelton was pissed at Clark for going above his head during the Kosovo Campaign. Personally, I think Shelton is bitter that is why he made that comment.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:32 PM
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36. Shelton Isn't Much Of A Political Player. He Might Think He Is Though
At this point, he probably wishes he were Wes Clark. Isn't he a repuke anyway?
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:49 PM
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37. I bet Shelton probably leans rethug. However, if he doesn't take that comment back or apoligize for
it, the press will run with it. Given what appears to be some presonal issues between the two of them, I don't see Shelton taking the comment back or apoligizing.

All Shelton has to do is keep his mouth shut and he can essiantly hurt an Obama/Clark ticket.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:03 PM
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44. You Give Him Waaay To Much Credit (nt)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:13 PM
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30. Wes will not take any dishonest slur (or even innuendo) off of anyone.
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 12:14 PM by MasonJar
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:29 PM
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34. I know, I know I shouldn't be concerned what the militia types say,
but they like to proclaim that he was connected to Waco (true or not), and we all know Rush and his crowd give their usual "wink and a nod" to their listeners whenever denouncing them. I doubt this would be a liability at all, given the nature of their claims, but it is something that could dog him through the campaign (of course, all candidates have their liabilities.)
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:32 PM
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35. I agree.
yep.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:57 PM
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38. K&R!!!
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:07 AM
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39. Clark is my choice also
Gen. Clark
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Satyagrahi Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:15 AM
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40. Wesley Clark Jr.: "no sign that Obama ever considered him for the job".
Don't hold your breath on the VP nom. I've seen no sign that Obama ever considered him for the job.

by WesClarkJr on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 10:31:26 PM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/12/0596/25128/13#c13


:-(
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:28 AM
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42. Um ~ that response doesn't have the right ring in my opinion


Wes Jr. said it that way?

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:27 AM
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41. I'm down with that ticket
Was not a big fan of him earlier, but he was absolutely right about what he said re: McCain. Obama disagreed, but I think Clark can make the case that McCain's service while admirable, does not a president make. McCain does not have the judgment, temperament, or even the requisite knowledge of foreign and domestic affairs to manage this country.

Clark is a smart guy, and one plus is he has dealt with Russia and the former Soviet States before on the ground. He'd make a great VP or top adviser in any capacity.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:46 AM
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43. Clark would be a pretty decent pick
No one is going to satisify everyone, but given he was a strong Clinton supporter it should help.
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