Something (maybe) coming down the road re: SBVs. If it comes, it's HUGE.

[WilliamPitt]

Can't say more right now, but something is on the edge of coming out regarding the SBV guys. It isn't out yet because a couple of details are being pounded out. Caveat: If one of the details doesn't work out, the story won't come.

Keep an eye on this thread. I will let you know one way or the other as soon as I can.

[T Roosevelt]

1. Oh how you tease us...

[gollygee]

2. ACK! When might this happen??

[AspenRose]

3. TEASE! :-P

eom

[blm]

4. Aha...the Oliphant heads up.

Been waiting patiently all day.

[Name removed]

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[WilliamPitt]

9. God, I hope not

[Sparkle]

28. Geeze. I didn't mean anything for that post to get deleted.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

49. You named a name

and you're not supposed to do that outside of a thread started by the name. I've been nailed for it similarly.

[wicket]

5. I certainly hope so!

These liars deserve whatever they get. Thanks for the heads up Will! :)

[frank frankly]

6. good to hear that

i hope this LIE gets turned back against them.

[maine_raptor]

7. Dammit Will!!!!!!

Out with it :grr:

[slor]

8. I hate when people do this...

give us a hint pretty please! I want to hear any juicy details that will have those swift boat vermin eating their words!

[Mick Knox]

10. Huge enough to actually make the news?

Or just buzz DU?

[WilliamPitt]

13. It'll be worth blasting to the media

[chimpymustgo]

15. Is this why the story fell off the map today?

How 'bout a teeny, tiny, l'il hint - dammit!

[Mick Knox]

25. Cool thanks

I await with guarded anticipation.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. Tying the swiftvets directly back to the Bush campaign is the big one

It will kill Bush outright.

[regnaD kciN]

122. No, it won't...

It might put the Bush campaign in violation of federal law, but I think most people assume that the SBLFB and the Bush campaign are working hand-in-glove anyway, and really don't care. For them, the issue is whether or not the charges against Kerry are true, not whether their exposure is coming from the Bush campaign or not.

[RandomKoolzip]

12. In a better world, none of the damn SBV shit woulda been taken seriously..

I just can't believe that no news programs are saying that none of these jim-jims except Thurow (who has a major axe to grind) even SERVED with Kerry. If they'd just take a cursory glance at these assclowns' records, they'd know there was no story.

It's sad that we have to now WAIT FOR A (possible) BOMBSHELL from Kerry himself to deflect the damage from this bullshit story that had no truth to it in the first place.,...

When the fuck is this nightmare going to be over?!

[lancdem]

18. One of my co-workers said something along those lines

He said if Watergate had happened today, no one would've ever found out about it because the press is so damn corrupt and lazy.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. I saw the damn ad debunked before I even SAW it on TV!

Am I just getting better info than Reuters and AP or what?

Watergate would get blamed on the Dems today if it happened: if they hadn't been hiding the info, Segretti, Colson, etal. wouldna had to break in the office in the first place, dammit! Stupid liberals......

[Bongo Prophet]

50. Amen to that

Bushco has had so many impeachable offenses that I have lost count.
MOST of which are MUCH worse than a mere burglarizing of the opposition. That's a simple Rovian misdemeaner.

To be fair to Nixon, he did much worse than Wgate himself...
:evilgrin:

[regnaD kciN]

124. People almost didn't find out about Watergate, either...

Remember, the break-in happened in June 1972, and the story didn't break until March 1973, four months after Nixon had been re-elected in a landslide.

Up until that point, the general consensus had been that it was a "third-rate burglary" by a handful of low-level "loose cannons" in the Nixon campaign, who apparently got drunk one night and spontaneously decided to "prove that the Democrats were in league with the commies."

In fact, the story only came to light because one of the convicted burglars broke under pressure and sent a secret letter to the judge in the case, telling all, and forcing the re-opening of the whole matter. If said burglar hadn't "broken" at the last moment, Watergate would have been nothing more than a footnote in the "silly section" of American history, and we would all be debating the accomplishments of Nixon's presidency in the four years of his second term (probably followed by Reagan or John Connally in 1976, since V.P. Agnew was too creepy to be electable).

[vivalarev]

14. Can we get a tiny little hint? pleeeaase?

[stellanoir]

16. but more importantly. . .

will it, if it comes out, get a stitch of coverage in comparison to how these lying sacks of BS bozos have dominated the news for the past three weeks. Sorry to go negative on potential good news. Am just enduring one of those quintessential, exasperated by the press moments. It'll pass. Oh wait, it's been going on for over four years. Arghhhhhhh.

Hope it comes to fruition, honestly.

[faithnotgreed]

22. that was precisely my thought...

[BurtWorm]

17. When will the details be pounded out?

I can keep a secret. PM me!

[Worst Username Ever]

19. I doesn't matter

it won't get news coverage, whatever it is.

[BlueEyedSon]

20. BOOKMARKED!

[mzmolly]

21. Dang!!!! You!!!!

:crazy:

[quaoar]

23. I'm going to try to guess

1. They were double agents for the VC?
2. They are secretly on the payroll at Halliburton?
3. They are citizens of France?

[nyhuskyfan]

30. My guess...

John O'Neill was caught soliciting sex from Laura Bush in 1966.

Sorry, sorry - meant purely for humor's sake.

[Carni]

24. Well what are you doing here--GET BUSY! lol

Don't tempt us like this... put that nose back to the grindstone!
:)

[MidwestTransplant]

27. Are we there yet?

Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

[mourningdove92]

29. If you say its HUGE, I believe you.

Will wait with bated breath. Any idea WHEN?

[nyhuskyfan]

32. Never trust a man who claims "It's huge"

Most of the time, they ain't telling the truth.

[ablbodyed]

57. Ain't THAT the>>>>

truth. That's why conservatives are soooo fascinated by other people's penises. Most can use a thimble as a condom.

[wicket]

73. "Most can use a thimble as a condom."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's hilarious :)

[slinkerwink]

31. ha, I love and hate those "teaser" surprises...

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. Does it have anything to do with this?

[chimpymustgo]

60. Hey, that's good stuff. Is it in the hands of the proper authorities?

Can't wait for the Great Crash.

[Sparkle]

34. Okay, here is my guess at it.

One of the non swiftboaters is a felon.

[Zero Division]

35. Irrefutable evidence of direct influence from the Bush campaign?

That's the only thing I can guess would be big enough. Only the most zombie-like RWers can't see how blatantly the Smear Boaters are lying, so I doubt it would be any new obvious contradictions of their lies (BTW thanks to the DUer who put out this link: http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/).

[BurtWorm]

38. Bob Perry, the bankroller, is co-hosting an RNC do in NYC next week

at Tavern on the Green. Bush I will be there, and so will Rove and DeLay. But I have a feeling that Perry will suddenly disappear from the roster of hosts before the media catch wind of this.

[Tansy_Gold]

53. There was already a notice to this effect

I read it somewhere here on DU this morning. One of Perry's employees said his "boss" didn't know anything about the event and wouldn't be going.

[BurtWorm]

59. I posted it, actually.

It was a tiny item in the Dallas News. Josh Marshall noticed it.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

67. not before I did!

I happened to hit google news last night at the right moment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x658758#658848

[BurtWorm]

70. Wow! Excellent catch!

:toast:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

76. Thanks! Meanwhile, I'd be curious what the Perry-Bush

relationship history is. Sort of like Ken Lay's I'd imagine.

[starroute]

133. Bob Perry and The Council for National Policy

The Council for National Policy: Selected Member Biographies
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.pe-q.htm#perry

"Robert J. Perry - CNP Board of Governors 1982, Vice President Executive Committee,1984-85, member 1988; President of Perry-Houston Interests, Inc., a member of the Board of Directors of the Houston, Texas Chamber of Commerce; executive board Boy Scouts of America; former Citizen member, state banking board of Texas; member the Heritage Club."


The Council for National Policy: What It Is
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.htm

"Many Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, Catholic, Mormon and other ecumenically-minded leaders are members of the Council for National Policy, the 500+ member organization which plans the strategy of the Religious Right in the United States.

"The CNP, according to their 1996 Telephone Directory, was founded in 1981. While those involved are from the United States, their organizations and influence cover the globe, both religiously and politically. Members include corporate executives, television evangelists, legislators, former military or high ranking government officers, leaders of 'think tanks' dedicated to molding society and those who many view as Christian leadership. Members in many cases are owners or leaders from industry such as lumber, oil, mining, commodities, real estate, the media, including owners of radio, television and print, with all aspects of life covered. Many are involved in education, determining to influence society's direction by direct input with children and youth.

<snip>

"... the CNP members are overtly "Christian" which is used as a cover to deceive the gullible. They have the 'form of godliness' and are somewhat 'ministers of righteousness', but deny the true power thereof by a carefully contrived doctrine which assiduously avoids the Scriptures which would expose their works that they are evil. Through their propaganda, they provoke visceral reactions from Christians to fight, become angry, to get involved in the political arena, to join and support their organizations through many monetary contributions which makes 'merchandise of the saints.' "


Wow! This is apparently a fervently Christian site which has decided that the CNP are agents of Satan, or at least dupes of Satan. Heavy stuff!! ;-)


"The 1982-1983 officers of the Council for National Policy (CNP) were: Thomas F. Ellis, pres; Nelson Bunker Hunt, vice pres, Bob J. Perry sec-tres; Rep. Louis (Woody) Jenkins, exec dir; and Dr. Tim LaHaye, immediate past pres. ... Pat Robertson has been president ... right-wing stalwarts Joseph Coors, Paul Weyrich, and Howard Phillips had served on the executive committee. ... According to one source, the CNP was formed in 1981 by Texas millionaires Nelson Bunker Hunt, Herbert Hunt, and T. Cullen Davis.(5) A second source reports that it was formed by Richard Viguerie to rival the Council on Foreign Relations.(8,26) The council is composed of politically powerful, wealthy individuals. It intentionally maintains a very low profile.(3,5) One of the conditions of membership is not to reveal the names of other members or the substance of the group's meetings.(9) The CNP bills itself as being the Council on Foreign Policy for the Right.(9) But, its importance does not lie in producing and promoting an ultra-conservative foreign policy agenda, many of its affiliates already do that. It is considered by its members as a network that encompasses the entire spectrum of right-wing politics.(3) It provides a 'safe' place for representatives of a wide range of ultra- conservative, anticommunist, pro-military organizations--including the executive branch of the White House--to discuss and promote their programs.(3)"

[DoYouEverWonder]

64. Another Sinking Boat Liar

bites the dust?

[Zero Division]

66. Oh yeah, there's no doubting the strong connections between...

the people behind the SBVT and the Bush campaign. I'm thinking something like an internal memo or any other written statement from within the SBVT or the Bush campaign proving direct coordination, and not just from within some little county GOP organization.

[Paradise]

36. what i long for is

the supremes' decision, that a sitting president can be sued civilly,

turn around to bite * in the behind!

that, my fellow du'ers would be poetic justice, indeed!

awww, am i being too harsh? :silly:

edit: or was that one of those 'this time only' decisions?

[seabeyond]

37. you are teasing william

and after last nite the thread about something going to happen, when i came in and read this first thought ya right then saw your name and you actually jazzed me,

now i am all a tingle

and waiting, with a huge smile anyway

let it be, let it be, thank god............let it be

[Pirate Smile]

39. How frequently is everyone hitting refresh?

Are we talking minutes, hours or days?

[Junkdrawer]

44. An answer to that could save Skinner a little bandwidth...

;)

[WilliamPitt]

Check back in an hour

[DoYouEverWonder]

LOL

I'd hate to see DU's web logs.

[Walt Starr]

40. Thread Bookmarked!

Waiting on baited brreath while working my avenue of attack on Bush!

[Jackpine Radical]

84. BTW--Nice job on the medal thing, Walt.

[Fleshdancer]

41. Can anyone here help you with anything? Research? Calls?

Anything?

I've never been a patient person. :(

[imax2268]

42. Come On Will...

give us a hint or something...

[WilliamPitt]

52. No, but thanks

It's going to happen or it won't.

[Pirate Smile]

72. You mean you want evidence and sources before making bold

allegations? You really aren't a republican are you?

[BurtWorm]

43. Someone is defecting?

Elliot, I bet. I'll bet getting caught in his lie is eating at him, which is why he's disappeared.

[MikeG]

45. While we're waiting, does anyone have a light?

[hatrack]

Here you go . . . those aren't menthol, are they?

Blecch!

[MikeG]

51. It's, my own blend, yeah, that's it.

[hatrack]

55. Ah-HUH HUH GACKGACKGACKGACK HORCHHORCHHORCH

Not too bad, when you get used to that initial bite!

[NightOwwl]

46. No no no no! Don't get my hopes up

only to have them come crashing down around me :o

[SayitAintSo]

47. I thought the BIG ONE was the Drudge teaser ....

Kerry calls SBVTs - faces them head one ... wonder what happened there ?

[Imalittleteapot]

48. So, if one of the details doesn't work out,

will you please just give us a hint anyway? It will make a great thread of what ifs.

[WilliamPitt]

54. As much as I can, yes

I won't leave this flapping in the wind. But the resolution is not in my purview or control. I'm as anxious as all of you.

[imax2268]

58. is it something to watch...?

something to read...bigger then a bread box...?

[canuckybee]

56. I like your idea BurtWorm

Someone defecting would be great. Specially if they name names.

[BurtWorm]

61. That would be HUGE.

It could also be huge if the book gets pulled, or if Kerry's suit succeeds.

[regnaD kciN]

123. What would be REALLY huge...

...would be if another Swift Boat veteran (not part of the SBLFB) came forward to testify that the Bush campaign had attempted to recruit/coerce/bribe him to join the group, and even offered him scripted "testimony" for the ads!

[WilliamPitt]

69. Thjat isn't it

[DrFunkenstein]

62. They're All Sleeping With Each Other?

Just wondering.

[snyder]

110. Would We Call That ...

... gays who used to be in the military? :D

[mourningdove92]

63. A Defector would be AWESOME.

You know, just a little someone who sat in on the meetings and has proof that KKKKKarl was involved.

We have already had testimony that some of the Vets that were originally contacted had their words twisted, and when they protested, they were told to just sign anyway, it would be "fixed" later.

[Mick Knox]

65. Will please start a new thread...

when you have something. Dont post here please, I'm tired of checking it and its getting to be a long thread without real info of importance on it.

Thanks!

[WilliamPitt]

68. I will

[wryter2000]

71. Oh, please, please...PLEEEEEZE

I want that garbage to splash back on Whistle Ass soooooo bad.

[Fleshdancer]

74. My wish for the suprise is:

I would love to have a secret video or audio tape of the SBV and someone like Rove plotting this whole thing.

[David Zephyr]

75. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

I am an old man, William Pitt. My heart can't take this shit.:)

[ClassWarrior]

77. Must be nice to be popular, Will.

[WilliamPitt]

78. ?

[ClassWarrior]

79. Just teasing you...

Any big news from you is waited upon with bated breath.

[Renew Deal]

80. Off topic: Are you coming to NY?

and are you bringing your blackberry. I would love to see you at the bar Saturday. :hi:

[WilliamPitt]

85. Yes and yes

and I'll see you there. :)

[skip fox]

81. Wow. Keep us up on this please, and everyone check out the File on SBVs

in DUs Editorial section.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=69570#

I've not had the time that I hoped to work on it, but it's working out as a decent place to start an investigation.

[bobbyboucher]

82. I hope it's a mole.

Recorded the whole conspiracy.

[democrat_patriot]

83. Good. 'Cause Thurlow's on NBC nightly news

UNAPPOSED by anyone from Kerry's camp.

[johncory]

86. The Carnival Media

The carnival media is not covering the election or the candidates, just selling tickets to the peepshow attractions. Hurry, hurry, step right up and see the two-headed elephant of Rangoon! Just one thin dime, a tenth of a buck, two buffalos, ten little Lincolns and the show can be yours.

[VolcanoJen]

127. You're SO right, johncory!

And, a belated "Welcome to DU" for you!!

It is a sideshow, isn't it? Anything to keep the American people from discussing the issues.

Hey, did you hear that Al Gore says he invented the internet?

:eyes:

[Democat]

109. Why is no one from Kerry's side on the show?

How do we let them get away with this?

[OilemFirchen]

87. Always wondered... could it be...

that a swiftie not associated with these slime-masters was approached by them and has documentary evidence of either a tie to the WH or a conspiracy to commit fraud?

[bobbyboucher]

92. I remember Kerry being told that some private Dick

was calling alot of vets and trying to dig up dirt. It was during the primaries. Some vet came up to him and told him about it.

[Fleshdancer]

107. If so, then this would make Kerry's inaction the past few weeks brilliant

Could you imagine? I've been pissy for the last few weeks thinking Kerry wasn't hitting back hard enough. I would LOVE to find out that he was sitting on evidence of a WH and SBV collaboration all this time and just waiting for the perfect time to unleash hell.

[Rosco T.]

88. paces nervously back and forth.. n/m

[Kadie]

89. Are you always such a tease?

;-)

[WilliamPitt]

91. Mostly

[kentuck]

90. Just reported on FOX ???

That one of the original SBV signers said he was told by others that it was true but he had no idea... ? Is this the story??

[seabeyond]

95. i've heard this. is it french. from oregon

we have his bosses? email and people have been emailing the boss and getting a form letter back

gotta believe my buddies what they say, dont you know, lol

[Generator]

130. Dammit all they've let the French into Oregon?

That explains Kerry's 11 Point lead statewide. Must go post.

[liberalpragmatist]

93. WILL, if the story doesn't come out, will you tell us anyway?

Like, if the story doesn't emerge, will you tell us what the allegation was and why it didn't work in the end?

[WilliamPitt]

97. As much as I can

[Jane Austin]

94. You know, I don't see how there's a chance in Hell that every one of them

isn't getting a new Bob Perry home, or cash, or a car, or a boat, or something after the election.

I just don't see a lot of those guys coming out for the first time or changing their stories for nothing.

Especially not for this disaster of a President.

[DoYouEverWonder]

96. The fckers

2 - 3 planes just crashed in Russia?

BREAKING MSNBC

[MissB]

101. MSNBC is the only station reporting the crashes at this point.

No one else has interrupted any of their regular programing, at least amongst the cable networks.

[Cush]

103. CBS Evening news mentioned it

[MissB]

105. West coast here

And they aren't interrupting regular programing. News doesn't come on for another hour and fifteen minutes.

[mfritz]

98. I wish it would be...

McCain announces that Bush had the opportunity to denounce the ad and failed to do it, so McCain will no longer be helping the Bush campaign

OR

Kerry knew this was coming so he sent one of his Swiftboat buddies to penetrate the organization by pretending to be mad at Kerry so he could accumulate incriminating evidence about the group's ties to the WH.

That would be sweet!

I can dream...

[lancdem]

104. I like your McCain idea

That would be great.

[seabeyond]

99. i am suppose tobe cooking dinner here, lol

anything to get out of that one, wink

[Proud2BAmurkin]

100. I'll bet one or all of them are kid touchers

.

[snyder]

102. I Have Heart Trouble ...

... so tell me now if you don't want to have blood on your hands :)

- Dick C.

[seabeyond]

106. lol lol lol someone else already tried that one

bah ha ha

[MissB]

108. Well, I'm about to give birth

Could he hurry up before I have to run to the hospital???


Just kidding, of course.

[snyder]

111. The Story Is Out!

One of the aliens who landed in Roswell, N.M. in 1947 served on a swift boat in Vietnam ...

[WilliamPitt]

112. HOW DARE YOU SCOOP ME?!

[snyder]

117. How Dare You Do This To Me?

Don't you know I have an Internet addiction, and here you are keeping me chained to my monitor, constantly clicking the Refresh button. You bastard!!! :D

[Rosco T.]

113. THWACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[emulatorloo]

115. and ate Larry Thurlow's Brain EOM

[Connie_Corleone]

114. SBV Guys Saved a bunch of money

by switching to Geico!!

[seabeyond]

116. lol lol lol

well i am off to cook. better not lose this whatever it is

you guys are fun in wait anyway

[democrat_patriot]

118. So....How 'bout them SVT's huh? I mean a-holes or what?

kick.......

How's the weather for all of you.......


DID IT BREAK YET?!!??

Sorry. Patience is not a virtue I possess.

This isn't like an early/late April fool's is it?

[Richard D]

119. OK

It's been over an hour!
(Aries's are not know for their patience)

[Jackpine Radical]

120. No foolin'. Will, hey Will, goldangit! What gives? Was geschieht?

[Connie_Corleone]

121. New Thread up.

But, nothing new yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x663062

[Walt Starr]

125. Was it the guys the Smear Boat Liars claimed were on their side

but came out and told everybody the Smear Boat liars used their names without their permission?

[mzmolly]

126. OK , WHAT'S THE ETA ON THIS THING?

???? :hi:

[snyder]

129. My Dead Dog's Revenge

When I was a kid I trained my dog to balance crackers on his nose and not eat them until he got permission. Then I'd put pieces of cheese on his nose and he'd have to wait. Then pieces of salami. Then I trained him to hold a cracker in his mouth without eating it. Then cheese, then sausage. He would sit there with the stuff in his mouth, looking at me and drooling on the floor.

God was I cruel. Will, were you a brown standard poodle in a previous life? :)

[mzmolly]

131. LOL...

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[TNMOM]

128. when?when?

When should I check back for some answers, Will?? I hope it's good!

[Gyre]

132. They're all wife swapping buddies with AWOL and DICK!

I know that's it. Isn't it?

[MissMarple]

134. I'm on tenterhooks and now it's time for bed.

What to do, what to do...

Goodnight.