Colmes Compares McCain's Infidelity To Edwards' And A Firestorm Erupts

[kevinmc]

News Hounds

Big props to Alan Colmes for pointing out the similarities between John Edwards' infidelity and John McCain's and asking why Edwards is unfit for public office as a result but McCain is not. After soundly denouncing Edwards as unworthy of the presidency because he broke his marriage vows to an ailing wife, none of the conservatives could come up with a decent explanation about why McCain’s similar behavior was any less despicable. Sean Hannity was so flustered that he repeatedly tried to interrupt Colmes and carried the argument over to the next segment. More props to Colmes for refusing to back down. With video.

In an unbalanced panel, the three conservatives (two guests plus Hannity) worked themselves into a self-righteous lather of sanctimony against John Edwards that included attacks on the so-called liberal media for not going after him harder. It was obvious they were completely unprepared for Colmes' very apt comparison of Edwards to McCain.

Chris Wilson, Republican pollster, said, “(Edwards is) running for president on moral values. His wife has been diagnosed with cancer and yet this is a man that we’re going to trust of leading the free world? ...That’s why this is an issue.”

Hannity smacked his hands together as he said, “If you can’t keep a promise to your family, can’t keep a promise to your wife, you’re having an affair, you’re lying about the affair repeatedly. Why should the American people trust you when you say you’re not gonna lie to them? Why should we trust you?”

“That’s a great question Sean asked,” Colmes said as he began his turn. To conservative Amanda Carpenter, Colmes asked, “Amanda, if that’s true, you can’t trust somebody who had an affair, how can we trust John McCain to be president of the United States since he cheated, by his own admission, on his first wife? He didn’t keep his marital vows. He didn’t keep his pledge to his first family.”

That’s when the fireworks started. Carpenter dodged the question by saying it's an issue that has been thoroughly vetted. Wilson made the laughable claim that Edwards had attacked Clinton for cheating on his wife. Hannity had a major hissy fit (most likely because he had been caught red-handed with his own hypocrisy) and insisted that McCain’s behavior should be viewed through the lens of having returned home from being a POW.........

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDewF41rJI


You need to read the whole article, Colmes has a blog that has been getting comments over this.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Holy shit! Alan Colmes grew a pair!!

That's amazing!

[DangerousRhythm]

8. Ha, I thought the same thing. Balls... he has them, finally?

That's amazing. I was cheering Colmes on, I swear. He should do that more often. :patriot::thumbsup:

[Danger Mouse]

10. And even better...he totally destroyed Hannity and his guests.

And even BETTER...he got the story of McCain's infidelity out on the airwaves. All those Fux Noise viewers..

[DangerousRhythm]

31. Oh, EXACTLY. That's what made it so great.

Good on him! :thumbsup:

[Betsy Ross]

96. OOOH. I love your use of Fux Noise.

That will be my replacement for Faux Noise. I really like McThuseleh too. So many great name quips out there.

[Frisbee]

74. If he keeps it up...

he'll probably be unemployed very soon.

[Jackpine Radical]

97. One ball doth not a full scrotum make.

OK, so once for 30 seconds Colmes went off his assigned script as a punching bag.

[DangerousRhythm]

98. ROFL!

First big laugh of the day, so thanks for that! :rofl:

[Jazzgirl]

125. I damn near spewed all over my monitor!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Ken Burch]

117. They'll probably fire him tomorrow.

Remember what they did to Montel.

[DangerousRhythm]

165. I've wondered on occasion, regarding Hannity's America...

If they're not just looking to dump Colmes all together and just switch it over to Hannity's America at a moment's notice. I thought H&C was bad... Hannity's America is positively VILE. I tuned in one Sunday out of curiosity and pretty much instantly regretted it. Sped up video with ominous music and darkened images... the demonization of my girl Michelle. No way. Seriously, I would not be shocked at all if they went to all Hannity, all the time. I mean why keep up the flimsy guise of "fair & balanced"? Blech!

[wryter2000]

122. Maybe Colmes has been a stealth weapon all along

Acting compliant so that he could worm his way into their nest of vipers (apologies to vipers everywhere) and then, WHAM!

[DangerousRhythm]

164. Now, THAT would be clever.

Not to mention very impressive. :thumbsup:

[Skittles]

152. male body parts are not required for courage

[DangerousRhythm]

163. Of course not... trust me, I know very well. Just being silly. :D N/T

[grannie4peace]

14. pair of what?

then why is he still at faux??? balls & faux are incompatible

[musicblind]

64. I think it takes a HUGE set of balls to be the only liberal on a conservative station

I'm amazed he's able to do it honestly. Lol

[Arugula Latte]

66. He's a faux liberal

He's usually the most milquetoast of "liberals" and often just goes along with his rightwing overlords.

[Colobo]

69. He IS a liberal. A weak one, but a lib.

[goodgd_yall]

94. Not fair

He's outnumbered and, of course, his job is in the hands of conservatives, but he is a liberal. Unfortunately he gets just a little slice of time to express his views.

[ExPatLeftist]

76. He's not a liberal.

He is a shill, a plant. He is there as window dressing to make idiots believe that FUX is really "Fair and balanced".

They chose the wimpiest milquetoast they could and called him a liberal and put him on the show.

If he really is a liberal as he claims, then he is an even bigger traitor - because his antics serve only to help the RW propaganda machine.

The only thing that would redeem him even slightly in my book would be if he would quit that shit "network" and come out and reveal all about how it works there. He sees it every day. If he is a liberal and keeps his mouth shut, than he is even worse than a republican. At least they live according to their own (misguided) principles whereas Colmes betrays liberals every day just by showing up to work.

[norepubsin08]

91. Couldn't have said it better myself

[COLGATE4]

99. You're 1000% on target

Colmes is really nothing but a Faux shill - he's the Faux caricature of Liberals Faux wants their readers to see and believe in - milquetoast, apologetic, sensitive self-deprecating, obtuse and 'intellectual'. The fact that every so often something comes up that's so egregious that even Colmes feels obliged to point out its ridiculouness (like the Edwards-McSame comparison) doesn't make up for the other 99% of the time when he just plays the clown to asshole Hannity and assorted repuke guests. I have no respect for him at all.

[Jackpine Radical]

106. I agree entirely.

[peaches2003]

110. Thank you for saying that!

There's no more excuses for not exposing Hannity for what he is and walking away from Roger Ailes. I feel exactly like I did about Colin Powell when he went to the UN and lied, staying in his position w/ Bush until he was fired.

[WCGreen]

124. I remember his radio show back in the late 80's and early 90's...

He was pretty liberal then...

I never watch Fox News so I can't say how he is today, but when he had his radio show, yep, he was a liberal.

[ExPatLeftist]

127. I am not implying that he is a Repub in disguise

I know that he has a "liberal" background and so forth. I am saying that we should not view him as such now due to what he is doing to harm liberals in the US. Though he argues against Hannity and RW talking points, he does it in such a pitiful manner that it backfires almost always. Simply by taking part in that farce of a show is offensive, and I do not believe that anyone is so naive as to not see that show for what it is - RW propaganda with a puppet propped in the left corner to make it seem legit. It is not, and he cannot possibly believe that that show gives him a forum - it is a complete farce, and any analysis for about 15 minutes will show that to be the case. He has sold out liberals and Democrats completely, and is complicit in the sham - therefore I say he can no longer be a liberal, because his very presence there does liberals such injustice.

[WCGreen]

144. I don't watch it so I really don't know...

[musicblind]

131. He still has a radio show all to himself and he's still pretty liberal on it

n/t

[eshfemme]

59. Will wonders never cease!?

[rinsd]

67. Exact same thought upon watching the video

[Karl_Bonner_1982]

151. Way to go, Alan! NT

[No Elephants]

158. Balls?

Using "balls" to indicate courage and "pussy" to indicate cowardice and other undesirable things is severely sexist. I hope no one is teaching their daughters to be wimps by using that kind of languaging around them. Just sayin'

[alphafemale]

2. So...we should expect less from McCain because he's been a POW?

He might have issues because he was a POW?

Did they really say that?

[tekisui]

26. You can't expect a POW to be honest and loyal.

Or to make clear headed decisions.

You can't TRUST a POW to be President. That's how I read it.

[GoesTo11]

33. He was disgusted by the way she had changed

This has nothing to do with being a POW. He cheated on her because of her health problems. That's absolutely an indication of character.

[rkc3]

79. When he came home - he found her NOT to be the woman he married.

[yardwork]

80. Also, what if McCain has cheated on Cindy? Some people say...

[redqueen]

93. Yup! I heard he's been a womanizer all his life... (nt)

[2CheeseEnchiladas]

103. Exactly

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[EstimatedProphet]

42. That might be an indication THAT HE'S NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT, HUH?

Their argument is seriously that he should be accepted because he's LESS sound?

[ecstatic]

50. That's how Sean Hannity was defending it

:puke: His wife waited faithfully for him while he was a POW.

[last_texas_dem]

70. Good point

That's certainly a logical assumption that could be made from the argument Hannity was making. Of course, Hannity can argue one thing and then switch to arguing the exact opposite one minute later, keeping a straight face the whole time with seemingly no idea of the major hypocrite hat he is, so I'm sure he could explain how it's *obvious* that no one could draw that assumption from anything he said.

[corkhead]

3. I will never refer to that show as "Hannity and Corpse" again

[Bucky]

45. Yes you will. The broken clock was right. He'll do this twice tomorrow.

The only rarity is that it happened on the air. Expect to see an especially docile Alan Colmes for the rest of the season.

[Heather MC]

61. I imagined they dragged him to a back room and waterboarded him

and or Colmes just found out he has a job with a real network
either way it was great to watch

[mzmolly]

100. You mean "Insanity and Colmes."

;)

[ingac70]

4. lol...

they were all shitting themselves.

[rox63]

5. Wow - Is Colmes actually starting to grow a backbone?

:wow:

[ingac70]

6. Once in a while he comes out of his stupor and makes a valid point...

and the CONservatives on the set get thrown for a loop. But not often enough.

[nxylas]

39. That could be strategic

If he did it more often, he'd soon get fired and replaced with someone even weaker who never did.

[musicblind]

65. I don't know about H&C I've never watched a single episode

but Colmes has a backbone on his radio show big time. He might just be having to put that backbone in the closet when on faux news.

[Raster]

78. I think you are correct. rupert and ailes would never allow anyone with a coherent conflicting view

to best any of their shrieking heads on air. Not on Faux News. I also think that the handwriting is on the wall, at least for some. It doesn't take a mental giant to realize history will not be kind to cheney*/bush* nor their water carriers.

[musicblind]

132. That is true. In 20 years people are going to look back at this era in shame.

n/t

[Peacetrain]

7. Finally!

Lets hear it for Colmes!

[optimisticin08]

9. WOW!!

I think thats great!!

[Ganja Ninja]

11. Alan, Alan, Alan.

Don't you know that every POW is issued a "get out of infidelity free" card upon their return home?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. Why are conservatives and the MSM covering this as though he is in or running for public office

Regardless of whether he previously ran for President or not, the fact of the matter is that Edwards is neither in public office right now nor running for public office. Although many of us here have suggested that he might have a future place in an Obama administration, he is not in any position NOW so why is everybody on the right and in the MSM acting like he is? I'm thankful that he didn't win the primary because we'd be royally screwed right now (since we're Democrats and seem to be held to a MUCH higher standard than Republicans) if he had been but, of course, McCain, who DID admittedly cheat on his wife, is currently the presumptive GOP nominee. This fact, amazingly, doesn't seem to have generated the same level of outrage (if any at all) among the MSM and hack pundits like Sean, et. al. I'm not happy about what Edwards did and he's certainly going to have eat crow and live with what he has done for the rest of his life but the hypocrisy exhibited by the GOP and MSM on this issue is completely off the charts.

:grr:

BTW: Good for Colmes for actually speaking up (I guess the hypocrisy was too much for him to ignore). :applause: Let's all encourage him to keep the heat turned up!

[grannie4peace]

13. that's bs

because mccain's first wife said it had nothing to do with vietnam, that it just had more to do with mccain's personality... he just didn't want her anymore (my words)

[Gabi Hayes]

15. don't forget....McC admitted to having slept around with LOTS of women

after he got home

ne needs to be asked how many, and see how many different answers he comes up with

remember, HE ADMITTED this

AND he's on the record LYING about the circumstances of his affair with Cindy, and won't talk about when it started, which was April of May of 79 (they both made a BIG DEAL of their 'meeting cute'), and the divorce was not final til April of 80. they ran around on her for just about a year. when is this going to start being discussed elsewhere, and, if it does, McC is going to be DEFENDED because the Vietnamese made him do it.

want to bet Colmes got the word to NEVER, EVER bring it up again?

[CitizenPatriot]

19. right

these "details" get forgotten -- but the truth of his affairS is pretty ugly and it didn't stop with his first wife. they talk about the arrogance and narcissism of JE, but JMcCain had his little blond lobbyist giving him jet rides around the country. that's not narcissism? and he also used POOR judgment, some might say fueled by narcissism in writing hand-written letters to sway votes on issues she was lobbying for. Wow, gee. that was earlier this year and that sounds like not only narcissism, but bad judgment which he allowed to impact his professional duties and fealties. He forgot his duty to the "people", so taken was he by this telecom cutie....take that where you may.

Then they referred to JE 1000 dollar haircut and living in his mansion.....um.....ferragamos anyone? 10 houses?

You can't say Clinton wasn't fit to be president but JMcCain is because he had just come home from war. He was home for years from what I read, though I don't see how it's relevant. We've seen other DU'ers write in about how they were vets who came home to an unfaithful wife and how crushed they were. So character is character. McCain had a good wife who waited for him. He "traded up" (sarcasm) after a series of affairs (rather public, too-- he humiliated his wife). Mrs Reagan is still barely speaking to McCain due to her friendship with his first wife. So I guess it wasn't so long ago as to be irrelevant, eh?

[Gabi Hayes]

24. absolutement! but you're letting him off WAY too easy with the letters to various committees, etc:

it wasn't narcissism, it was, at the very least, unethical

check this site, and its swell title:

http://mccainiseman.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/the-mccain-lobby/

US elections 2008: Whether John McCain had an affair with a lobbyist is irrelevant - but the favour he paid her client certainly is scandalous

By Jeremy Lott
Guardian Unlimited
February 21, 2008

Nothing ever sticks to John McCain. From the Keating Five scandal to last year’s revelation that he almost switched parties to join the Senate Democratic Caucus in 2002 to the latest not-quite-bombshell from the New York Times, all the best blows glance off. That is fortunate for the Arizona senator, because the politics that he traffics in only encourage scandal.

Take the story from the Times, which reportedly had McCain so worried that he pleaded with editor Bill Keller not to release it on the eve of the New Hampshire Republican primary and won a brief reprieve. The paper finally published it on Wednesday, now that he has the Republican nomination all but sewn up, prompting charges of foul play and horrible judgment - on the part of the Times.

The outcry was over the paper’s handling of McCain’s relationship with Vicki Iseman, a lobbyist with the firm Alcade & Fay. During his last run for his party’s presidential nomination in 1999 and 2000, anonymous former advisers were said to be worried about McCain’s closeness to Iseman. She was then in her early 30s and, if one photo circulated by the Drudge Report is a decent indicator, a striking strawberry blonde. Both McCain staffers and Timesmen looked at the relationship and assumed that where there’s a good-looking redhead, there’s fire.

The insinuated affair is beside the point. For what it’s worth, both parties have denied it. What they haven’t denied is that Iseman was frequently seen with McCain at events, that she helped organise fundraising for him, that they shared a corporate jet ride or two care of Iseman’s clients. There’s nothing untoward about Iseman’s reported conduct. She was doing her best to influence a very powerful senator on behalf of her clients.


McCain’s behaviour is more questionable. According to telecom and media reporter Drew Clark, the Arizona senator had picked a fight with broadcast companies over spectrum rights in the switchover from analogue to digital television.

The short (hopefully non-eyes-glazing-over) version is that McCain believed broadcasters had unfairly profited from free spectrum rights for the switchover and wanted to end that promptly. But at the behest of Iseman’s client Lowell “Bud” Paxson (also a McCain contributor), he radically reversed himself, and even fought for a longer extension of spectrum rights than his fellow Republicans would allow.
...............

[CitizenPatriot]

28. brilliant!

danke!

Yes, I just wonder if this is relevant to running for office...ethics...ethically challenged professionally...sounds vaguely like rumors of him behaving like a traitor to get special favors while a POW, odd he got that transfer to get medical help while others didn't...but no, proving yourself to be unethical as a man, as a senator, and as a POW has nothing to do with how you would behave as POTUS.

Come on!

Can we just focus on important things here, like how we should feel sorry for him and let him get away with his angry ravings because he was held hostage?

Maybe Patty Hearst should run for office too?

[Gabi Hayes]

36. I don't care about the affair stuff, except as an answer to the character question, which is what

the pugs ALWAYS reduce any campaign to, if they're allowed

they've made it VERY personal about Obama, impugning his patriotism, very viciously so, as well as his fitness to lead

this goes to the very core, and if that's the way they want to play, it's IMPERATIVE that McCain's myriad affairs be brought to light, especially since there are charges that he fooled around with lobbyists other than Iseman, and this sort of behavior begans AS SOON as he turned down Lehman's supposed offer to make him an admiral, and he began working in DC as a navy liason (lobbyist?) with the senate



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6628290

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations had to deal with the embarrassment caused by McCain’s behavior. So the Admiral transferred McCain from his command position “to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy’s Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn’t long before the “fun loving and irreverent” McCain had turned the liaison office into a “late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind.”

[CitizenPatriot]

41. good point

i agree 100%. I could give a crap normally, but when they make an issue out o this stuff, then it becomes a standard and their candidate needs to be held to the same. On top of which, McCain's character is an issue for many reasons other than simple inability to commit and stay faithful to his wives. The questions keep coming, but he is mum in reply.

I don't like the obvious continuance of Bush's lack of transparency and accountability. 4 more years of that will be the end of america's wonderful democracy.

[beac]

83. So, before the Straight Talk Express, there was the

Straight Shot Express?

After becoming an embarrassment for screwing around with subordinates and other men's wives, he managed to find a way to get himself a job where he was allowed a super-short workday followed by in-office cocktails and, no doubt, skirt-chasing?


What a shining beacon of hard work and American Family Values!


:puke:

[CitizenPatriot]

105. ha ha!!! that was fuuuuny:-) straight shot express, indeed. way to go, johnny. n/t

[nxylas]

40. But...but..he was a TROOP!

Why do you hate America?

:sarcasm:

[blogslut]

16. Something's happened to Alan Colmes

He's been forceful and feisty lately.

I like it!

[Bobbie Jo]

60. That's how he used to be....back in the day.

that is before the Faux infiltration. :eyes:

[dkf]

17. Some guy on MSNBC asked the same thing and

I think it was Lynn Sweet who completely danced around it and said they were talking about Edwards and she wouldn't get into McCain's behavior.

It was pathetic.

[my3boyz]

30. I saw that! They are pathetic! I think the heads a MSNBC are behind that because

the same thing happened on David Gregory's show. Someone mentioned it and he tried to interrupt them and changed the subject in a flash. They are so scared someone will say something about McCain. I hope some independent group goes after McCain if the Republicans keep going after Edwards and somehow tries to tie it to Democrats as a whole. David Gregory has asked many times how it would affect Obama. Pathetic.

[dkf]

32. Someone at MSNBC must have sent a memo to squash talking about McCain's affairs

I'm amazed Fox let Colmes broach the subject.

[Overseas]

68. Quite creepy that the response to such a natural question was so blatantly pro-Republican.

Who wouldn't wonder why Edwards was bad for his affair, while JSM III was fine and dandy for his?
That is a question that would occur to anyone who knew JSM III's history.

Guess the reporters were told to avoid that obvious question because the network owners hope most Americans don't know those things about humble, regular old John Sidney McCain III, with 7 homes, $520 shoes, unlimited credit, a net worth of $40 million and a second wife who brings an additional $100+ million to the family coffers.

[me b zola]

18. Good on Alan

I hope his fiestiness becomes a chronic pain in the rear for Hannity and the other goopers.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. Shouldn't McSame have had MORE loyalty to his first wife since she was the one that stood by him and

raised his family while he was a POW? Didn't she ask that he not be told of her accident so as to spare him any more pain than he was already enduring?
Instead of being grateful and more loving after what she had gone thru, his reaction was one of repulsion and shallow self-interest.

"insisted that McCain’s behavior should be viewed through the lens of having returned home from being a POW........."

[KeepItReal]

23. Yep...she didn't give up on McCain, but he sure as hell bailed on her when he got back.

For a rich, former USC cheerleader, no less.

Talk about an upgrade...

[BrklynLiberal]

25. With a politically connected family, of course.

[Oldtimeralso]

153. I used to say

From the land of Sen. Goldwater now comes Sen. Golddigger.

[KeepItReal]

21. Effin' Right, Alan Colmes!!!

(eom)

[rndmprsn]

22. K+R

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. I couldn't believe this! I can't stand Colmes because he's a weak, milquetoast...

but I was shocked! He left Insanity speechless. Insanity couldn't think of a quick enough lie or talking point. (Look at the cue cards, Insanity, the talking points are there!)

I was proud of Colmes last night. Neither Repuke (that girl, whoever she was) had anything to say!!

[Ian_rd]

29. I guess Colmes didn't get the memo. nt.

[JohnnyLib2]

34. Sometimes, we need to shut up and listen........

Almost every conversation I've been in or overheard in "small town America"
had the McCain--Edwards comparison and not because I prompted it.

It's good to have a public voice make the point, but maybe not all that necessary.

[Mabus]

35. Looks like it is time for Colmes' annual shot

The one he got last year is wearing off and he's starting to talk. They need to give him some more soma and remind him of his role.

[Lasher]

37. What happened to Hannity's Ed McMahon?

Colmes: "Excuse me, Shaun. You've had your chance to speak. I'm up." :D

[BlooInBloo]

38. hahahaha! PWNED.

[Rowdyboy]

43. Obviously Fox needs to increase Colmes' medications....he's startying to see

through the fog.

[EffieBlack]

44. "Ronald Walters - Former Jesse Jackson Advisor" - Excuse me?

This is how they billed DR. RONALD WALTERS, director of the African American Leadership Institute, a Distinguished Leadership Scholar at the James MacGregor Burns Academy of Leadership, and professor in government and politics at the University of Maryland.

By the way, Dr. Walters was an advisor to Jesse Jackson 20 YEARS AGO.

Nothing like having one of the country's most highly distinguished, eminently respected, brilliant scholars diminished to a simple political hack - not to mention having Sean Hannity consistently refer to him as "Ronald."

These people are disgusting - no wonder I don't watch Fox.

[beac]

84. Ah, but you see Jesse Jackson

is another "Democrat with a Love Child", so for FAUX it was a dog-whistle way to undermine whatever Walters might say.

Like you said-- disgusting.

[nomaco-10]

46. I will henceforth never refer to Alan Colmes as ...

a quivering mass of mangina, that is until the next time he is one.

For now, thanks alan, keep up the good work. I know it must be hard to try to get snippets of truth out there when you are surrounded by crazy rw talking heads speaking over you and shouting you down in lock step unison.

good job.

[iconicgnom]

47. Jeez, that "5 and 1/2 years being beaten, tortured for his country,..." stuff gets tiring

after hearing it EVERY TIME McCAIN'S NAME IS MENTIONED. And the "I respect McCain's service to our country and that he's a genuine war hero who was tortured for our country, but..." every time someone comes close to criticizing one of his so-called "policies". Or Colmes here prefacing his remarks with how he's never criticized McCain's war record and he's a genuine war hero etc. but ... in a discussion on marital infedelity. This while Hannity lards it on so thick about "tortured hero" "beaten every day for 5 years" that you'd expect SOMEONE to interject and say outright that the story has been embellished way past the point of absurdity. But nah, that'd be "swiftboating" -- the technique the Republicans perfected vs. Kerry.

[ecstatic]

53. It's sickening how people have to dance around the truth

F*ck mccain and his silver-spoon affirmative legacy action military background.

[iconicgnom]

54. Why not "I know he came in 894 of 899 but still got preferential treatment because his dad was

an admiral, but that's not why I'm criticizing his ___ position"? If every damn discussion of McCain on the MSM has to come with a disclaimer preface conceding his military credentials, why not use the opportunity to point out that he wasn't exactly Top Gun, that he didn't exactly shine.

[Oldtimeralso]

155. Not only his daddy but also granddaddy

and the Top Gun reference, his being shot down was the fifth us aircraft he lost, the other four were his fault.

[RT Atlanta]

48. go Alan!

nice to see... he totally flustered the echo chamber

[ecstatic]

49. Wow. Colmes finally said something for us on the RW station

It's about time.

[AlinPA]

51. That clip reminded me why I don't watch Fox. But that Colmes is always the

spineless whipping boy-maybe they are getting ready to can him and he knows it. I can't believe that Fox allowed him to make the statement. He's gone.

[Stuckinthebush]

52. Hannity was correct about Edwards...it is too bad that he couldn't be honest

about McCain.

[TexasObserver]

55. Colmes will be headed to Fox News' version of GITMO if he's not careful

Reporting from Minot, North Dakota, I'm Alan Colmes.

[nc4bo]

56. that was niiiiiiiiice. Woot!

Update: I tried checking out what those pos were saying over there but I couldn't take reading that stuff.

[Occam Bandage]

57. So, if you expect less of a POW, doesn't that mean that POWs shouldn't be President?

[book_worm]

58. I'm really getting sick of this argument that we have to excuse McCain for so much because he was a

POW. The man is running for president and should be held to the same standards anybody else is.

[Raineyb]

114. Me too!

cue valley-girl voice:

That was like 40 years ago what has he done lately?

Seriously though, why is it that when someone wants to criticize McLame they start out with I respect his service and he's a hero and he was a pow blah, blah, blah, but... then on the other hand when you mention that he screwed around on his wife it's the past.

So to get this straight in my own head, POW camp time 40+ years ago... Exploit to your heart's content. Extramarital affair 28 years ago... That's old news no one's interested in it now.

Smells like bullshit to me.

Regards

[Life Long Dem]

62. They just opened the door wide open on this toward McSame

Whatever is good for Edwards, applies to McSame as well.

[npincus]

63. hardee har har!!!

:rofl:

[moondust]

71. Good job Alan! If you need more ammo

you can always throw in the bit about marital fidelity not being an indicator of honesty. Nobody ever questions the marital fideltity of Bush or Cheney yet they surely hold all the world records for public deceit!

[Hamlette]

72. k & r

[Hamlette]

73. the comments on Colmes site are frightening

they rant about how rude and unpatriotic Colmes was for bringing up McCain's affair. These people are delusional. They think that saying anyting bad about McCain is treasonous.

They want Colmes fired for bringing up McCain's affair.

[eleny]

107. If he's fired it could keep McCain's affair front and center for a while

People can make up their own minds about the hypocrisy.

[9thkvius]

75. Where is Newt Gingrich?

As someone who is an expert on having an affair while his wife is sick, I am suprised that Fox didn't bring him on the show for some commentary. I am sure he could have provided some excellent insight on the subject.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

77. McCain went after Cindy's money and to escape from his disfigured wife at the time

[dflprincess]

87. But that's okay

because he was a POW. :sarcasm:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

111. as someone said a POW doesn't make you presidential material!

[Apollo11]

112. Is it not possible that John McCain fell in love with Cindy Hensley?

Is there any way to prove that he was going after her money?

Of course if you want to stand for election it helps to have a rich spouse.

Would John Kerry have married Teresa Heinz if she had no money?

John Kerry has a solid track record of marrying wealthy women.

But he doesn't get dissed for it here on DU ...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

113. did he have

affairs?

[Raineyb]

116. I don't recall hearing about Kerry dumping his first wife and kids to run off with his current wife.

Did you?

Regards

[Rainbowreflect]

81. And why are we not hearing more of these questions?????

[underpants]

82. Good for Colmes. Hannity is laughably bad

I mean he is just horrible at what he does. Just terrible

[lonestarnot]

85. Tee hee! Loving the smell of fresh hypocrisy burning!

[progressoid]

86. FANFUCKINTASTIC Alan!!

[mvd]

88. Good one, Alan

Of course Hannity had a hissy fit. He's not used to debating a Democrat who fights fire with fire.

[OmahaBlueDog]

89. Since nothing on FAUX happens by accident...

...what did McSame do to piss off Rup Murdoch?

[LynneSin]

90. Here's a concept: WHAT THE FUCK DOES EDWARDS HAVE TO DO WITH OBAMA???!!!

Seriously, Edwards could take up fucking small farm animals for a small cover charge for those who want to watch and it should have absolutely NOTHING to do with Barack Obama and his race for president.

Unless we want to discuss folks like Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Bob Barr, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde and that republican from New England who diddled little kids and is in jail right now for it (name escapes me).

I mean THESE are some of the biggest fucking hypocrites around that not only cheated on their committed wives BUT some of them were major proponents against gay marriage and yet were happy to pick-up random men in the Minnesota mens room at the airport (Yes I'm looking at you Larry Craig).

[bullwinkle428]

129. THANK YOU.

First time anyone's actually laid that point out in such stark terms since the "eruption of the scandal", a few days ago.

[RoyGBiv]

134. No shit ...

People keep talking about this as though Edwards were still running for President.

Is that the new tactic? Just ignore the fact Obama is the nominee and whack at everyone else who isn't?

[goodgd_yall]

92. Sean Hannity is such a sanctimonious putz

Good for Alan Colmes. Wow, Hannity's value system is exposed---if you've been a POW, you get excused for everything you do later in life. Too bad he doesn't show that much "compassion" for millions of other people who suffer in their lives, the death-penalty-loving altar boy.

[redqueen]

95. Good for Colmes! It's about time!

I hope he doesn't lose his job for this... I think letting the repukes beat up on him without making an attempt to state / defend the opposing point of view might be in his job description.

[Tim4319]

101. Alan Colmes deserve a round of applause for that!

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[catrose]

108. Ditto

[Matteon]

102. I'm amazed

I never thought I'd see the day that Colmes made any real effort to be more than a doormat. I give him credit for finally standing up.

I wonder if he'll get fired soon.

[Mad_Dem_X]

104. OMFG, so Colmes does have a spine!

Good for him! I love how the neo-cons couldn't even think up a good response. They hemmed and hawed, as they always do when presented with facts they cannot dispute.

[tridim]

109. I bet Faux management fines Colmes every time he does that.

It's probably in his contract.

[Ken Burch]

118. This would be his first offense, then.

n/t.

[Ken Burch]

115. It's ok to cheat on your wife if you were a POW?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[JawJaw]

119. So, Let's Get This Straight....

according to pig-boy's logic, 5 years of being tortured as a POW gives a green light to cheat on your wife when you get back home? What an INSULT to the other POWS who returned home from Vietnam and moved Heaven and Earth to try and put the experience behind them and lead a normal decent life with their family. They managed to keeps their dicks in their pants, why couldn't McCain?

[pjt7]

120. Colmes deserves credit & since the Edwards affair has been

played out, McCain's infidelity should be brought up every time, Edwards affair is mentioned.

[pjt7]

121. Colmes deserves credit & since the Edwards affair has been

played out, McCain's infidelity should be brought up every time, Edwards affair is mentioned.

[clarence swinney]

123. LIES Bush Record Setter

he and 11 associates told 935 Lies on WMD to get us into all time mess.

read 252 at
google
clarence swinney + bush lies
or + bush waffles

[stark6935]

126. You

aren't allowed to use facts in a debate with Republicans. They will just disregard them, and state opinions.

[Faygo Kid]

128. Keith about to reference it, and Rush's horrific comment on Elizabeth Edwards.

Stay tuned.

[Bobbie Jo]

130. Faux gave Alan a little slack in his choker chain.....

With their ratings in the tank, maybe he attracted some interest in this hideous show.

[liberal N proud]

133. That will do one of two things

It will get the Edwards story out of the news, or you will never hear of the McCain infidelity again.

[ColbertWatcher]

135. k+r for the Newshounds, watching FOX so I don;t have to! n/t

[mdmc]

136. God bless

[KingOfLostSouls]

137. I laughed

not just like, a giggle, but I was in tears.

[ourbluenation]

138. What about frequent hannity guest Newt Gingrich. Dumped his wife while in hospital

with cancer for another woman. hellloooooo

[RNdaSilva]

139. Fuel for the Dems 527's, Let's get rollin'.

Why did McC*nt cheat on his first wife? Very simple, she was no longer a trophy.

My mother was always upset with me on my intent to find a "trophy wife." Particularly one with her own private jet and sufficient funds to support my wanting a grandiose life style. She had the absurd, archaic and arcane notion that one married for love. I was very young, think I outgrew that. McC*nt never did, never will.

McCain is running for President of the United States, not Edwards. Don't let McCain's infidelity die. It's much more than that. Truth!

Thanks Colmes for your brief moment in the sun. Hoping that you've found a pair on Fux. Doubtful.

One needs to research, and find the cure for, the trait in one's DNA that causes them to take stock in Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of that sewage. That trait could probably be found in the gray matter that resides betwixt the ears...or lack thereof.

[skyounkin]

140. The difference

between Clinton, Edwards and McSame is that Clinton and Edwards LIED to the public about the affairs, and McSame wrote a book wherein he admitted it.

I hate to say it, but it's true.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

142. Why didn't the thug commentators think of that?

I guess their spin machine was on the fritz.

The comeback to this is obvious, though...
It's ok to cheat on your spouse as long as you don't lie about it to the voting public?
If marital infidelity does not warrant lack of public trust, then why does anyone intrude into the private lives of politicians to find out about it?

I would love to shake the hand of the politician who answers "Did you have an affair?" with "That's none of your business."
I don't care if it's a Democrat or a thug.

[skyounkin]

145. They didn't

think of it because they are stupid. They need the roves to tell what to think and press hot button issues.

Personally, I would love to see that too- "Did you have a affair relation/whatever with that man woman whatever?" "That is none of your business."

[HughMoran]

150. Nice, defend McCain at DU where even Faux "News" couldn't

You're earning a very memorable distinction tonight!

[Waiting For Everyman]

159. McC lied about the timing of it, and a million other lies to the voting public

too numerous take the time to mention here, but we know them already anyway. And THAT'S worse, because they aren't lies about private matters, but public ones.

But the premise is nutty anyway... lying about the affair is worse than an affair itself? On whose planet? (Planet Neocon, maybe)

The whole "personal character" issue is/was a hoax perpetrated by Gingrich to propagandize evangelicals and soccer moms in the first place. (And to retroactively smear JFK and others.) To paraphrase the Clinton campaign slogan...

It's the competence, stupid!!!

[pettypace]

141. Ya'll need to listen to Colmes radio show

On right now - he just asked a rightwing caller if he's had sex with another man.

Very entertaining so far, first time I've heard it.

[barack the house]

143. It was Colmes finest moment in his career hope he has many more.

[RNdaSilva]

146. Bump...

[Pisces]

147. I hope this becomes a trend and he continues to call Bullshit on Hannity's smug ass.

[Stinky The Clown]

148. That's fine .... but what about Vicki Iseman?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/vickimccain,0.jpg












Here is Carol **after** her car accident and just before LCDR PreCombover shitcanned her for Cindy.








And then there's Joe ......

[No Elephants]

157. POW seems to be McCain's answer for everything

Thirty years ago after 5.5 years of being a POW.

Boy, that POW reaction is the answer to every question, isn't it?

Why did you always oppose MLK Day in the 80's and 90's, John? Twenty years before my vote, I was a POW when MLK got shot and heard about the MLK assassination over the radio at the Hanoi Hilton.

Why were you a carpetbagger candidate to Congress in Arizona in the 80's, John? I come from a military family. The longest I'd ever lived anywhere was in Hanoi, when I was a POW

Why did you cheat on your wife, John? I had been a POW.

Yeah, but he cheated on her by dating for five years. And lots of POWs came home and were delighted to be faithful to their brides, in sickness and in health, did death did them part.

And so what if it was 30 years ago? Does that mean he never did it? And what about the much more recent lobbyist?

BTW, thank you for the photo of his first wife. I always read that he came home to find that she had gained weight, was "disfigured and walked with a limp. I was picturing some along the lines of Lon Chaney as Quasimoto in the silent film version of Hunchback of Notre Dame.

The photo shows that, after the accident, she was still an attractive, vital woman, putting on her game face for her husband and looking proud and happy.

Not that it should matter. You marry for better or worse, sickness or health, pretty or not. We don't all live up to that, but, at least, stand up and say you crapped out on your vows. Saying he had been a POW insults all the POW's who have come home from wars from time immemorial and remained faithful to their spouses and vows, no matter what.

Pubs seem to live off double standards and comparing apples and oranges, don't they?

[HughMoran]

149. Wow, this IS shocking!

Alan Colmes has shocked me!

[Baby Snooks]

154. McCain and Gingrich..

The Republicans have always had a problem with "family values" when it came to McCain and Gingrich. Both were cheating on and then dumped their wives for something younger and prettier. Amd in McCain's case, something much richer.

Nancy Reagan may have endorsed John McCain but she probably held her nose as she did so - the Reagans more or less became the protector of the first Mrs. McCain after she was dumped. And were not real pleased with the second Mrs. McCain or Mr. McCain.

The point is and always has been that Democrats do not make such an issue of "morality" while the Republicans do.

The Republicans will always defend their worst, however, by excusing them and usually in these cases they fall back on the "well, the marriage was dead to begin with."

Democrats commit adultery. Republicans simply were in the process of leaving a dead marriage.

[kevinmc]

156. Kick

[Waiting For Everyman]

160. McC's 1st wife was divorced from a guy he knew in the service when he married her too

That isn't the coolest thing in the world either, is it?

In general though, this is beyond hypocrisy, it's a rigid double-standard of double-think in right-wing politics since Gingrich.

I call it GASLIGHTING!!!

Or maybe THOUGHT POLLUTION.

[jefferson_dem]

161. Colmes brought it up again last night. Firestorm continues.

VIDEO -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x169341

[Hubert Flottz]

162. Well...After he lost that job...

Tired of being the door mat?