New myth from Hillary supporters: Hillary polls better against McCain.

[rinsd]

Here's every poll taken since the beggining of the year for Obama vs McCain

Poll	       Date           Sample    Obama (D) McCain (R)  Spread
RCP Average	08/04 - 08/19	--	44.9	43.6	Obama +1.3
LA Times/Bloom	08/15 - 08/18	1248 RV	45	43	Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby	08/14 - 08/16	1089 LV	41	46	McCain +5
Gallup Tracking	08/17 - 08/19	2658 RV	45	43	Obama +2
Rasmussen Track	08/17 - 08/19	3000 LV	47	46	Obama +1
Quinnipiac	08/12 - 08/17	1547 LV	47	42	Obama +5
Battleground	08/10 - 08/14	1000 LV	46	47	McCain +1
IBD/TIPP	08/04 - 08/09	856 RV	43	38	Obama +5
Pew Research	07/31 - 08/10	2414 RV	46	43	Obama +3
CBS News	07/31 - 08/05	906 RV	45	39	Obama +6
Gallup Tracking	08/01 - 08/03	2659 RV	46	43	Obama +3
Rasmussen Track	08/01 - 08/03	3000 LV	46	47	McCain +1
Time	        07/31 - 08/04	808 LV	46	41	Obama +5
AP-Ipsos	07/31 - 08/04	833 RV	48	42	Obama +6
CNN	        07/27 - 07/29	914 RV	51	44	Obama +7
USA T/Gallup	07/25 - 07/27	791 LV	45	49	McCain +4
Pew Research	07/23 - 07/27	1241 RV	47	42	Obama +5
Demo Corps (D)	07/21 - 07/24	1004 LV	50	45	Obama +5
FOX News	07/22 - 07/23	900 RV	41	40	Obama +1
NBC News/WSJ	07/18 - 07/21	1003 RV	47	41	Obama +6
Gallup	        07/13 - 07/15	2638 RV	47	44	Obama +3
CBS News/NY T	07/07 - 07/14	1462 RV	45	39	Obama +6
Rasmussen	07/11 - 07/13	3000 LV	47	46	Obama +1
ABC News/WaPO	07/10 - 07/13	LV	49	46	Obama +3
Reuters/Zogby	07/09 - 07/13	1039 LV	47	40	Obama +7
Quinnipiac	07/08 - 07/13	1725 LV	50	41	Obama +9
IBD/TIPP	07/07 - 07/11	854 RV	40	37	Obama +3
Newsweek	07/09 - 07/10	1037 RV	44	41	Obama +3
Gallup	        06/30 - 07/02	2641 RV	47	43	Obama +4
Rasmussen	06/29 - 07/01	3000 LV	49	44	Obama +5
CNN	        06/26 - 06/29	906 RV	50	45	Obama +5
McLaughlin (R)	06/26 - 06/29	1000 LV	46	38	Obama +8
Pew Research	06/18 - 06/29	1574 RV	48	40	Obama +8
Demo Corps (D)	06/22 - 06/25	2000 LV	49	45	Obama +4
Time	        06/19 - 06/25	805 RV	47	43	Obama +4
LA Times/Bloom	06/19 - 06/23	1115 RV	49	37	Obama +12
Franklin&Marsh	06/16 - 06/22	1501 RV	42	36	Obama +6
Newsweek	06/18 - 06/19	896 RV	51	36	Obama +15
FOX News	06/17 - 06/18	900 RV	45	41	Obama +4
USA T/Gallup	06/15 - 06/19	1310 LV	50	44	Obama +6
ABC News/WaPO	06/12 - 06/15	RV	49	45	Obama +4
Cook/RT Strat	06/12 - 06/15	880 RV	44	40	Obama +4
Reuters/Zogby	06/12 - 06/14	1113 LV	47	42	Obama +5
Ipsos	        06/05 - 06/11	LV	50	43	Obama +7
Rasmussen	06/08 - 06/10	3000 LV	49	44	Obama +5
Gallup	        06/07 - 06/09	2633 RV	48	41	Obama +7
NBC/Wall SJrnl	06/06 - 06/09	1000 RV	47	41	Obama +6
Hotline/FD	06/05 - 06/08	806 RV	44	42	Obama +2
IBD/TIPP	06/02 - 06/08	916 RV	43	40	Obama +3
CNN	        06/04 - 06/05	921 RV	49	46	Obama +3
CBS News	05/30 - 06/03	930 RV	48	42	Obama +6
USA T/Gallup	05/30 - 06/01	803 RV	47	44	Obama +3
Cook/RT Strat	05/29 - 05/31	802 RV	44	43	Obama +1
Pew Research	05/21 - 05/25	1242 RV	47	44	Obama +3
Newsweek	05/21 - 05/22	1205 RV	46	46	Tie
Reuters/Zogby	05/15 - 05/18	1076 LV	48	40	Obama +8
IBD/TIPP	05/12 - 05/18	953 A	48	37	Obama +11
Rasmussen	05/13 - 05/16	3000 LV	44	45	McCain +1
Gallup	        05/12 - 05/16	4385 RV	44	47	McCain +3
Demo Corps (D)	05/13 - 05/15	1014 LV	48	46	Obama +2
Battleground	05/11 - 05/14	1018 LV	49	47	Obama +2
Quinnipiac	05/08 - 05/12	1475 RV	47	40	Obama +7
ABC/Wash Post	05/08 - 05/11	1122 A	51	44	Obama +7
POS/GQR	        05/07 - 05/08	800 LV	48	43	Obama +5
LA Times/Bloom	05/01 - 05/08	1986 RV	46	40	Obama +6
Ipsos	        04/30 - 05/04	755 RV	46	42	Obama +4
USA T/Gallup	05/01 - 05/03	803 LV	47	48	McCain +1
CBS News/NY T	05/01 - 05/03	601 RV	51	40	Obama +11
Hotline/FD	04/30 - 05/03	803 RV	47	43	Obama +4
CNN	        04/28 - 04/30	906 RV	49	45	Obama +4
FOX News	04/28 - 04/29	900 RV	43	46	McCain +3
CBS News/NY T	04/25 - 04/29	956 RV	45	45	Tie
NBC/WSJ	        04/25 - 04/28	1006 RV	46	43	Obama +3
Rasmussen	04/24 - 04/27	1600 LV	46	46	Tie
Pew Research	04/23 - 04/27	1323 RV	50	44	Obama +6
AP-Ipsos	04/23 - 04/27	760 RV	46	44	Obama +2
Newsweek	04/24 - 04/25	1203 RV	47	44	Obama +3
USA T/Gallup	04/18 - 04/20	1016 A	47	44	Obama +3
Cook/RT Strat	04/17 - 04/20	802 RV	45	44	Obama +1
Newsweek	04/16 - 04/17	1209 RV	48	44	Obama +4
Reuters/Zogby	04/10 - 04/13	1049 LV	45	45	Tie
ABC/Wash Post	04/10 - 04/13	1197 A	49	44	Obama +5
Rasmussen	04/10 - 04/13	1600 LV	42	49	McCain +7
AP-Ipsos	04/07 - 04/09	749 RV	45	45	Tie
Gallup	        04/02 - 04/06	4380 RV	45	45	Tie
CBS News/NY T	03/28 - 04/02	1196 RV	47	42	Obama +5
Hotline/FD	03/28 - 03/31	799 RV	44	46	McCain +2
Rasmussen	03/27 - 03/30	1600 LV	42	47	McCain +5
NBC/WSJ	        03/24 - 03/25	800 RV	44	42	Obama +2
Pew Research	03/19 - 03/22	1248 RV	49	43	Obama +6
FOX News	03/18 - 03/19	900 RV	43	44	McCain +1
CBS News	03/15 - 03/18	RV 	48	43	Obama +5
CNN	        03/14 - 03/16	950 RV	47	46	Obama +1
USA T/Gallup	03/14 - 03/15	685 LV	49	47	Obama +2
Reuters/Zogby	03/13 - 03/14	1004 LV	40	46	McCain +6
NBC/WSJ	        03/07 - 03/10	1012 RV	47	44	Obama +3
Cook/RT Strat	03/06 - 03/09	802 RV	43	45	McCain +2
Newsweek	03/05 - 03/06	1215 RV	46	45	Obama +1
ABC/Wash Post	02/28 - 03/02	LV 	53	42	Obama +11
Cook/RT Strats	02/28 - 03/02	802 RV	47	38	Obama +9
LA Times/Bloom	02/21 - 02/25	RV 	42	44	McCain +2
AP-Ipsos	02/22 - 02/24	755 RV	51	41	Obama +10
USA T/Gallup	02/21 - 02/24	1653 LV	47	48	McCain +1
Pew Research	02/20 - 02/24	1240 RV	50	43	Obama +7
CBS News/NY T	02/20 - 02/24	1115 RV	50	38	Obama +12
FOX News	02/19 - 02/20	900 RV	47	43	Obama +4
Hotline/FD	02/14 - 02/17	803 RV	48	40	Obama +8
Reuters/Zogby	02/13 - 02/16	928 LV	47	40	Obama +7
USA T/Gallup	02/08 - 02/10	706 LV	50	46	Obama +4
AP-Ipsos	02/07 - 02/10	1029 A	48	42	Obama +6
Time	        02/01 - 02/04	958 LV	48	41	Obama +7
CNN	        02/01 - 02/03	974 RV	52	44	Obama +8
Cook/RT Strat	01/31 - 02/02	855 RV	45	43	Obama +2
ABC/Wash Post	01/30 - 02/01	1249 A	49	46	Obama +3
FOX News	01/30 - 01/31	900 RV	44	43	Obama +1
NPR	        01/29 - 01/31	1000 LV	47	48	McCain +1
Rasmussen	01/25 - 01/27	1200 LV	41	47	McCain +6
NBC/WSJ	        01/20 - 01/22	1008 A	42	42	Tie
LA Times/Bloom	01/18 - 01/22	1312 RV	41	42	McCain +1
Rasmussen	01/16 - 01/17	800 LV	46	41	Obama +5
USA T/Gallup	01/10 - 01/13	1106 LV	45	50	McCain +5
Hotline/FD	01/10 - 01/12	803 RV	41	39	Obama +2
CNN	        01/09 - 01/10	840 RV	49	48	Obama +1
Rasmussen	01/04 - 01/06	800 LV	43	46	McCain +3 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

Here's every poll taken since the begining of the year for Hillary vs McCain

Poll	     Date      Sample    Clinton (D) McCain (R) Spread
Reuters/Zogby	04/10 - 04/13	1049 LV	41	46	McCain +5.0
ABC/Wash Post	04/10 - 04/13	1197 A	45	48	McCain +3.0
Rasmussen	04/10 - 04/13	1600 LV	43	47	McCain +4.0
AP-Ipsos	04/07 - 04/09	1000 A	48	45	Clinton +3.0
CBS News/NY T	03/28 - 04/02	1196 RV	48	43	Clinton +5.0
Hotline/FD	03/28 - 03/31	799 RV	41	50	McCain +9.0
Rasmussen	03/27 - 03/30	1600 LV	40	49	McCain +9.0
NBC/WSJ	        03/24 - 03/25	800 RV	44	46	McCain +2.0
Pew Research	03/19 - 03/22	1248 RV	49	44	Clinton +5.0
FOX News	03/18 - 03/19	900 RV	46	43	Clinton +3.0
CBS News	03/15 - 03/18	RV 	46	44	Clinton +2.0
CNN	        03/14 - 03/16	950 RV	49	47	Clinton +2.0
USA T/Gallup	03/14 - 03/15	685 LV	51	46	Clinton +5.0
Reuters/Zogby	03/13 - 03/14	1004 LV	40	48	McCain +8.0
NBC/WSJ	        03/07 - 03/10	1012 RV	47	45	Clinton +2.0
Cook/RT Strat	03/06 - 03/09	802 RV	45	47	McCain +2.0
Newsweek	03/05 - 03/06	1215 RV	48	46	Clinton +2.0
ABC/Wash Post	02/28 - 03/02	LV 	50	47	Clinton +3.0
LA Times/Bloom	02/21 - 02/25	RV 	40	46	McCain +6.0
AP-Ipsos	02/22 - 02/24	1000 A	48	43	Clinton +5.0
USA T/Gallup	02/21 - 02/24	1653 LV	46	50	McCain +4.0
Pew Research	02/20 - 02/24	1240 RV	50	45	Clinton +5.0
CBS News/NY T	02/20 - 02/24	1115 RV	46	46	Tie
FOX News	02/19 - 02/20	900 RV	44	47	McCain +3.0
Hotline/FD	02/14 - 02/17	803 RV	40	48	McCain +8.0
Reuters/Zogby	02/13 - 02/16	928 LV	38	50	McCain +12.0
USA T/Gallup	02/08 - 02/10	706 LV	48	49	McCain +1.0
AP-Ipsos	02/07 - 02/10	1029 A	46	45	Clinton +1.0
Time	        02/01 - 02/04	958 LV	46	46	Tie
CNN	        02/01 - 02/03	974 RV	50	47	Clinton +3.0
Cook/RT Strat	01/31 - 02/02	855 RV	41	45	McCain +4.0
ABC/Wash Post	01/30 - 02/01	1249 A	46	49	McCain +3.0
FOX News	01/30 - 01/31	900 RV	44	45	McCain +1.0
NPR	        01/29 - 01/31	1000 LV	45	48	McCain +3.0
Rasmussen	01/25 - 01/27	1200 LV	40	48	McCain +8.0
NBC/WSJ	        01/20 - 01/22	1008 A	44	46	McCain +2.0
LA Times/Bloom	01/18 - 01/22	1312 RV	46	42	Clinton +4.0
Rasmussen	01/16 - 01/17	800 LV	47	45	Clinton +2.0
USA T/Gallup	01/10 - 01/13	1106 LV	47	50	McCain +3.0
Hotline/FD	01/10 - 01/12	803 RV	43	47	McCain +4.0
Rasmussen	01/09 - 01/10	800 LV	38	49	McCain +11.0
CNN	        01/09 - 01/10	840 RV	50	48	Clinton +2.0 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

To say that Hillary polled better vs McCain than Obama did is to rewrite history.

Also if you look back thru 2007 you will see McCain led Hillary for much of the time.

[highplainsdem]

1. LOL! You left out the last two months of the primaries for Clinton!

[rinsd]

3. Umm...polls stopped doing head to head for Hillary vs McCain in April.

The time when it was apparent she would not be the nominee.

Your ferocity would have been nice to have during the actual primaries.

[highplainsdem]

5. No, they didn't. For instance, Gallup, May 23, with graphs showing May 1-23 results,

The topic I posted about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6091735

And the Gallup page:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107482/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-51-44.aspx

Obama had a 7-point lead over Clinton that day, but he was tied with McCain, while Clinton led McCain by 5 points.

Look at the graphs for how Clinton and Obama did against McCain all month. Obama's poll performance was very uneven, with him trailing McCain about half the time.

Clinton had trailed McCain by 1 point for the first two days of the month, then tied him the third day, and then led him in Gallup's poll for the next few weeks.

[rinsd]

8. Looks like RCP failed to include Gallup.

Hillary's "advantage" disappeared a week or two after your reference

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107626/Gallup-Daily-Both-Democrats-About-Even-McCain.aspx

Plus when you look at all the polls (not just Gallup for a brief period), you can see that he clearly outperforms Hillary.

Again, where were you when we could have used you in the primary fight?

Why are you fighting so hard AFTER the nominee has been chosen?

[highplainsdem]

12. Where was I? I was helping take care of ailing family members.

And my "fighting" now -- which isn't "fighting" -- is to explain why we need a unity ticket, because I don't want to see us lose to McCain. It's ridiculous that in this forum, where so many possible VP choices have been presented again and again, there's a lot of shrieking whenever Clinton is mentioned. GDP is so out of touch with most of the Democratic Party.

And I didn't like seeing so many Clinton supporters driven from what's supposed to be a Democratic forum, not an anti-Clinton forum.

[highplainsdem]

7. More from Gallup, 5/23 -- said Obama hadn't done better than Clinton against McCain since mid-April

Obama has not exceeded Clinton's performance versus McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking since the April 17-21 tracking period.

I'll have to check some June polls, but as I recall, that trend continued.

And a poll done last month of hypothetical choices showed that Clinton would do even better than Al Gore against McCain, and much better than Obama was doing against McCain then.

[RedShoes]

2. aside from the fact you left out the last two months of the Clinton campaign, wtf does this have to

do with the general election? Here's a hint: you aren't running against Clinton anymore. Let it. GO.

[rinsd]

4. Because the poster above you insisted that Hillary polled better against McCain.

This was not true.

If you went to the link provided you would see that polling firms stopped doing Hillary v McCain head to head in April when it was apparent she would not be the nominee. (ON edit: Gallup appears to have continued polling head to head)

Also I was here fighting for Hillary for two years, so you can STFU Johnny come lately.

[highplainsdem]

6. Gallup didn't stop. Please see my reply above.

[rinsd]

9. Already responded and noted that Gallup called it even in their last poll.

[redqueen]

10. Oh Jesus... where is that coming from?

Where are people saying that?

And WHAT THE HELL FOR?

:banghead:

[rinsd]

11. See poster replying

[Awsi Dooger]

13. None of that matters

The variable is who would be polling better vs. McCain now and through election day, Obama or Hillary? Obviously we'll never know. My opinion was Hillary.

2008 was going to be very close regardless, once we isolated a black or a woman for nominee. That's why I'm not uptight. Any projection of a huge victory was not logical.