Who Are The Nine Senators?

[KharmaTrain]

Max Cleland mentioned nine...are these current or past members?

The only one he mentioned was Dan Inouye...the Medal Of Honor WWII Vet.

Is one of those signatories Chuck Hagel?

Anyone know who were the others?

[kwolf68]

1. No

Hagel wasn't one. Corzine, Carper, Nelson, Harkin....were 4 I remember.

[name not needed]

2. Lautenberg signed it too

I forgot about Corzine.

[xray s]

3. here

The senators signing the letter to Bush included Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, Ernest "Fritz" Hollings of South Carolina, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Tom Carper of Delaware and Jon Corzine and Frank Lautenberg, both of New Jersey.

[JohnKleeb]

4. ok they are

Fritz Hollings- Vet of WWII and a bronze star winner in North Africa
Tom Harkin- Navy Pilot I believe in the Vietnam era
Dan Inoyve- as you said a WWII medal of honor winner
Dan Anaka- another WWII vet who was in the army corp of engineers
Jon Corzine- didnt serve to my knowledge
Frank Lautenburg- Army Signal Corps WWII vet
Bill Nelson- A Navy vet and an astronaut
Jack Reed- An Army Ranger during Vietnam
Tom Carper- I believe he was in the navy
and theres one more I think

[WilliamPitt]

5. Inouye, Hollings, Harkin, Lautenberg, Carper, Corzine, Akaka, Reed and

Nelson

[Stephanie]

6. Link - I can't read all the sigs though

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0825c.html

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/Letter_to_the_President.pdf

illegible
Fritz Hollings
Tom Harkin
Frank Lautenberg
Tom carpe?
John S. ?
Daniel K Thaka?
Jack Reed
Bill Nelson

[Ann Arbor Dem]

21. Here are the folks that were harder to identify....

Daniel Inouye (HI)
Thomas Carper (DE)
Jon S. Corzine (NJ)
Daniel Akaka (HI)

[xray s]

7. where the f*ck are Hagel and McCain

When McCain was viciously smeared in 2000, JOHN KERRY took the initiative to find Democrats and Republicans to defend him. That was the honorable thing to do, even though McCain was from a different party, with different political views.

But, I guess for some, politics trumps honor.

[Leilani]

11. Hagel has been silent throughout

McCain is out of the country & has been for a while...

& he was the very 1st person to speak out publically, remember?

& several months ago he wrote a piece for 1 of the newspapers, naming 1 particular person who was smearing Kerry, to defend him.

[xray s]

16. and now McCain is snug in the arms of the people doing the smearing

go figure

[Stephanie]

13. You mean this McCain?

[Leilani]

20. Yes, that John McCain...

That picture makes me sick...

But McCain is a Republican & is supporting Bush...

However, he has tried to be honest, & to defend his friend. That is more than most people in politics ever do.

People here hate McCain more than they hate Zell Miller. Why is that?

Whatever happened to being of different parties, but being friends with the other side? Of trying to work together?

[Stephanie]

23. I never said I hate McCain. But that picture made me lose respect for him

After the way Bush smeared him, his wife, his child in South Carolina, he sure looks spineless now. That's all. We expect more from McCain.

[Leilani]

29. OK, I can understand that...

But I disagree that McCain is spineless. Anyone who went through what he did as a POW, is not spineless.

I think being spineless, would be to be silent. He has spoken out for his friend countless times, so he has many Republicans hating him.

I think Chuck Hagel is spineless...he should have spoken out, but he is thinking of running for Prez.

[RamboLiberal]

27. Not this Dem - I loathe Zell - I'm just deeply disappointed

in McCain. After what * and Rove did to him I think embracing AWOL he has lost his honor, but he'd have to bash Kerry's service for me to hate him.

[Generator]

8. Hey I don't know if they are current of past either but

maybe next time they could bother to stand up when votes are threatened with being ignored. (F/911)

[GreatScott]

9. This all stems from Kerry's testimony in 1972.

Until he puts that to rest, the Veterans are not going to let up.

[karlrschneider]

10. What's to "put to rest"? It's public record. You want him to recant?

:eyes:

[GreatScott]

12. Actually, I think he needs to apologize for it.

[girl gone mad]

14. Okay..

as long as we drag Johnson and Nixon from the grave and force them to apologize, too.

MacNamara only gave a half-assed apoloogy, and Kissinger has as much to apologize for as the rest.

I think you're demanding an apology of the wrong person.

[Stephanie]

15. He has nothing to apologize for

Kerry had a right to speak up. And he didn't speak for himself alone, he represented a huge group of Vets who agreed with him.

How old are you? Are you a Vietnam Vet yourself?

[blm]

18. Apologize for telling the Senate what the Winter soldier vets testified to

a month earlier?

People who are able to comprehend English know perfectly well that Kerry was retelling what he was told by vets a month earlier. Too bad that Republican opportunists always manage to leave that part of the testimony out of their complaints.

[Piperay]

19. Apologize???

for telling the truth, give me a break! :wtf:

[GreatScott]

26. His testimony to the Senate in 1972 is the cause of the anger of

the Veterans.

My personal opinion is that if there were war crimes- it was his duty to report it. However, his testimony was not specific and it gave the impression that there was widespread and wanton recklessness and depravity.

Now if you believe that there was wanton recklessness and depravity, then we should be ashamed of their service.

But as it is, the subject is really confusing.

Are we to be proud of the service of Viet Nam vets or ashamed?

[democratreformed]

31. That's one of those trick questions.

The realities of war are that things go on that "regular" people would see as crimes against humanity. Reality is that some soldiers do not enjoy the things they have to do.

I am one of those people who can realize that circumstances dictate actions. Also, that each person is human - meaning each person does not always make the best decision every single time.

I am proud of those who choose to serve their country. I am proud of those who give up a part of their lives for the rest of us. I am not always proud of what their choice dictates that they do - meaning that I am not proud when our government (and their bosses) chooses to send them into circumstances that bring about crimes against humanity.

Every day, I am sorry for the circumstances that many of our soldiers must find themselves in. I am sorry for the innocent people who suffer at their hands. And, I am angry that there seems to be no good reason for either one. But, I am not angry at the soldiers. I am angry at their bosses (our government).

[GreatScott]

36. And it's really not even a fair question--

However, the campaign is being waged over a small percentage of people who are not well informed.

I would bet that half the undecideds couldn't find Viet Nam on a map. So it's necessary to simplify things to get your message across- in ways that are simply understood.

Right now, the undecideds are bombarded with messages that Kerry was either a war hero or a war hater. The fact that he was both is seemingly contradictory. It's not in actuality, but goes against the general experience.

[SnohoDem]

22. why?

Here's some info about the testimony.



http://www.freep.com/news/locway/winter2_20040302.htm

http://www.urich.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

[RetroLounge]

25. Bullshit

RL

[sundancekid]

33. which veterans "are not going to let up" ... do you speak for them too??

[GreatScott]

35. Don't you agree that this issue has lingered way too long?

From what I've been able to determine is that the Swift Boat Veterans are still pissed off about what he did after the War- protesting and so forth.

All I'm saying is that if Kerry would address that instead of trying to prove them wrong- he would be farther ahead on this.

There are plenty of people who have shown without much disagreement that the Swift Boat Vets have some serious credibilty problems.

[cheshire]

17. Not on mass media

I doubt you'll find out anytime soon. Check air america later.

[dryan]

24. If remember correctly....

Kerry has said recently (Jan-Feb timeframe) that he was sorry that he made some of those statements during his testimony before Congress that the majority of Americans served with honor in Vietnam.

[GreatScott]

28. Yes, I believe that's correct.

But, I don't know if that received much coverage, nor do I recall anyone reminding the public of that lately. Only that he regretted saying those things.

Kerry needs to address these issues forcefully.

Instead, he attacked 527's. In my opinion the 527's are not the real issue.

[SnohoDem]

32. Kerry attacked the lies of Swift Boat Vets,

not 527s. He also attacked Bush, because the Swift Boat Vets is almost certainly a Rove operation. It's his style and many links between the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat Vets have been found.

Bush attacked 527s in general, trying to deflect attention from his (probable) connections to the Swift Boat Vets.

[GreatScott]

34. You're right. But Bush was allowed to reframe the discussion

to 527's in general.

Attacking the 527's is a red herring, and throws off the real discussion.

Which brings me again to my main point that Kerry needs to address his Senate testimony in a way that wraps it up once and for all. As it is, this whole Viet Nam discussion is unproductive. But only Kerry can put it to rest.

[mfritz]

30. Remember during Iran/Contra when they attacked Inouye?

I have a very clear memory of the Iran/Contra hearings and Ollie North was testifying. Inouye was one of the Senators (maybe the chariman) on the committee, and one of Inouye's colleagues said that they were being deluged by all kinds of racist attacks on Inouye, and how disgusting it was because Inouye was a war hero. And Ollie North put in his two cents that Inouye was indeed a hero. A rare instance of North acting honorably.

These Republicans have NO respect for heroes that don't agree with them on every issue.

Disgusting people.