Is the sudden outburst of support for Hillary because she will take McCain to the mattresses?

[ericgtr]

Something that so far has not happened by the Obama team. I for one will admit that I like Hillary for VP (and did not at all before the primaries ended) because she can fend off the swiftboating and she would hand McCain his ass. Someone has to do it.

[greguganus]

1. ::pokes out mind's eye::

[Arugula Latte]

44. Lol!

[Supersedeas]

71. rather Hill take McRove to the mattress than to watch Bayh try - awkward

[FormerConservative]

2. thanks for that visual image... :(

[LostinVA]

21. I can tell you've never seen nor read "The Godfather"

[FormerConservative]

41. I was just being silly...

You know what they say about assumptions :)

[LostinVA]

45. They make an ass out of FormerConservative???

JOKING -- for real.

[FormerConservative]

I knew I'd get around to using the ignore button, eventually...

[LostinVA]

54. I was just being silly, yoo -- good grief

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[Ichingcarpenter]

4. ...

[Lucinda]

17. A couple more

[leftynyc]

38. Good comeback - Kudos!!! (n/t)

[Ichingcarpenter]

49. Bill Clinton singing the accolades of McCain on McCain's website

[Lucinda]

65. Obama Backs Law Helping McCain

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/29/obama_backs_law_to_ensure_mcca.html

By Shailagh Murray
FORT WORTH -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign announced he would co-sponsor legislation introduced yesterday by his political ally Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) to ensure that John McCain can become president, even though he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

The issue of McCain's eligibility was raised in a New York Times article noting the constitutional requirement that a U.S. president be a "natural-born citizen" had never been fully defined.

The McCaskill bill, submitted immediately after she scrawled it onto a notepad on the Senate floor in response to the Times story, would establish the eligibility of anyone born to a U.S. citizen who is serving overseas as an active or reserve member of the U.S. armed forces. The Arizona senator's father was a Navy officer serving in the Canal Zone when McCain was born there in 1936.

"Senator McCain has earned the right to be his party's nominee, and no loophole should prevent him from competing in this campaign," Obama said.

[quakerboy]

64. And look how far that

is getting us so far, according to about half of DU who have been panicing for the past couple days. Do we need another Obama, or does he want an attack dog for vp, as I keep hearing?

[Beausoir]

72. ROFL! I hear heads exploding!

[oasis]

87. Ooops.

:wow:

[Beacool]

94. Good One!!!

:rofl:

[Whisp]

101. yep, those pics sure look like mattress time. ;(

[polichick]

5. As I recall, she thinks McCain is swell - and "Obama has a speech."

[tridim]

6. I don't think anyone wants to "take McCain to the matresses".

Even Cindy. Ewww.

[ericgtr]

9. Historical Reference

Not that people won't get the "matresses" reference but just in case we have the great Don Corleone to thank for it. :)

[LostinVA]

24. I'm shocked by how many DON'T get the reference!

Take the cannoli and leave the gun, ericgtr...

[tridim]

52. Sorry, I didn't like the Godfather films.

I know, I'm the only one. ;)

[LostinVA]

56. There are a few more I know

You all just need to eat some more cannoli.

[ericgtr]

60. I got it and infact threw up a little at the thought

;)

[bvar22]

81. I got the reference. YOU didn't understand it.

"Going to the matresses" was when one gathered his most trusted family members and friends together and went to a secret hideout.

Do you consider McCain to be one of Hillary's most trusted friends?
Do you think Hillary and McCain need to "hide out" together?
That would explain why she was campaigning for him during the Primaries.

I think what you meant to say was that Hillary would take McCain "to the mat", which is a wrestling term for taking down your opponent.

No Charge.

BTW:
When has Hillary ever "brought down" a Republican?
What single issue has she "fought for" against strong Republican opposition since she has been in the Senate?

[azmouse]

7. Obama will be fine without her.

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[BlueIdaho]

10. Just a question here...

How many right wing political experts have you heard "candidly" comment that the only way Obama can win is by adding Her Royal Highness to the ticket? Lets see... that would be ALL of them.


Keep your powder dry, November is a long way off.

[Tarc]

14. Since when do we take advice from that pack of mouth-breathers?

[Upton]

11. Agreed the whole Obama campaign has been soft

somebody has to get down and fight. If Obama, for whatever reason, can't do it he needs a VP who can, Hillary would do and maybe Gen. Clark. Unfortunately I'm afraid he's going to choose another milquetoast and we're going to be screwed come Nov.

[10 Year Freeper]

74. Traditional Role

The traditional role of the VP is to be the attack dog.

[Ashy Larry]

12. I don't know...

I don't think I have heard her attack McCain very hard in the past. I'm sure she would if she was the VP but she actually seems to respect McCain so it might not be as natural as when she was attacking Obama.

[CakeGrrl]

13. She'll hand him his ass? Maybe after she and Bill stop kissing it. Maybe. n/t

[Lewiskw]

53. Wow

Get over the past aren't you the one who always said move on past the primaries why dont you take your own advice.

[CakeGrrl]

79. No, you're probably thinking of someone else, and

Two days ago, Bill Clinton felt the need to give McCain a pat on the head since he couldn't just lend some unqualified support to Obama: "But John McCain has the best record of any Republican running for president on the energy issue and on climate change."

Tell Bill it's time to start supporting the Democrats wholeheartedly against McCain instead of giving voters the impression that it's practically a fucking tossup.

[Lewiskw]

96. Can You read

He said McCain has best record of any Republican not candidate wasn't any diss towards Obama looks like you needs some glasses

[Skidmore]

15. Well, hell, she was practically sleeping with him during the primary.

If you want to bring up mattresses.

[DevonRex]

16. Seems kinda hard to attack him now, after loving him before. nt

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

18. No, it's because of an organized last minute desperate push by the pharma funded kitty cult.

They actually are harassing superdelegates (and maybe even pledged delegates) trying to get them to change their votes. It's not going to happen, but some are taking advantage of that hysteria and claiming that Hillary is entitled to the VP slot because she "almost won".

[Bucky]

19. I don't like the imagery you put in my head just now.

Although, to be fair, I would probably leave Cindy for Hillary even if she hadn't broken her hand.

[DemocracyInaction]

20. Seems to trace back to this...

Within the last week the pudits (YES THAT'S MSM)have started pounding the "he just might have to swallow and take her--she will save him". And everybody jumped on board, as they hoped. If they want it so bad then you know it's the one they think they can use to put the nail in Obama's coffin. I'll guarantee you if he picks her all we will hear from this convention to election day is "Bill, Bill, Bill...ummm and that kid". This is a no win situation. Most likely either way we lose unless Obama can really nail McCain on something.

[LostinVA]

22. Some posters raelly need to raed "The Godfather"

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

25. Are you saying Obama needs a "war consigliari?"

[LostinVA]

32. Yes, I think he does

[nsd]

28. The poster isn't using the reference correctly.

In The Godfather, "going to the mattresses" means going to war. Or more literally, you stock up your house or compound with mattresses so that your soldiers can all stay together and stay vigilant until it's over.

So, we (Democrats) want to go the mattresses. We don't want to take McCain to the mattresses.

[LostinVA]

30. True, but the sentiment is there

[FormerConservative]

43. Oh my goodness...are you feeling ok? Take it easy

[LostinVA]

46. Take the cannoli and leave the gun

[AngryAmish]

66. Exactly.

It is as if the poster said that she will sleep with fishes with McCain.

Use a reference right or don't do it at all.

[blm]

40. And some need to stop pretending Clintons are asskickers when they're really GOP assKISSERS.

How many of you have forgotten Bill Clinton's summer 2004 DEFENSE OF BUSH booktour?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

23. She is seen as a necessary evil.

If Obama was up 30% everywhere, why bother with the drama involved.

But since it is kind of close, she provides the biggest bang in terms of party unity, fresh perspective in comprehension of national campaigns, rust belt appeal, economic brand-name, capacity for amoral political discipline, efficacy on the attack, etc.

Joe Scarborough once said of the Chimperor, "Bush doesn't fight well going backward." I think that's astute. Bush is a surprisingly good politician (for a chimpanzee) when he has the initiative, but adversity breaks his stride.

Obama also doesn't fight well going backward. He sets a plan and executes.

The Clintons do not fight well going forward. They are counter punchers who thrive on responding to a shifting environment. That's why there's always drama... they know they can handle the drama better than the other guy.

Different people have different skills. Hillary's skills would be of some use to the Obama campaign right now.

[LostinVA]

26. Very interesting post!

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[SwampG8r]

102. pizza given here

[rucky]

91. spot on.

and I think you just described my wife and I, as well. I plan & she executes.

[scheming daemons]

27. She's been very reluctant to attack McCain.... in fact, it's been the opposite....

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

37. The Obama campaign has not asked her to attack McCain

If you have some Obama campaign memos to share that suggest otherwise, please do.

But in general surrogates go where they're asked to go and fulfill a role they're asked to fulfill.

Hillary is playing ball. Bill not so much, but if Hillary isn't attacking McCain it's because Obama doesn't want her to.

And I don't necessarily disagree. Since he would barely make the news if she was fighting with McCain it would mess with whatever he's trying to execute going into the conventions.

Until her role is clarified in the public mind through the convention pageantry she shouldn't be making controversy.

[blm]

42. Yeah, and Bill used his 3wk booktour in 2004 to support and defend Bush because Kerry asked him to.

We already laughed at that one.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

48. Sorry, I must have missed the announcment of the big DU non sequitur contest.

[blm]

58. It follows if you're honest enough about what and when the Clintons will do for a Dem nominee.

.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

61. Since the topic is Hillary as VP, the question is what Hillary would do for Hillary

Hillary would fight like a wildcat to be the first female VP if given the chance.

There would be no upside to her in losing because winning puts her in line for 2016. (Losing puts her in line for being blamed for losing)

Almost all politicians, Hillary and Obama included, are total narcissists, and their behavior is thus easy to deduce.

(That's why this is moot point... Only egomaniacs run for president. Obama not going to share the spotlight, so the VP will probably be Kaine or Sebelius, and most certainly not Hillary.)

[scheming daemons]

50. She didn't attack McCain back in April and May... in fact, she praised him...

If you think she'd attack McCain you're projecting something onto her that she's not capable of.


McCain's her friend. She'll no more attack him than Daschle will attack him. Their friends.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

59. "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog"

Politicians attack who they are running against.

She is a politician.

She will attack whoever stands between her and what she wants.

If she was on the ticket she would want to win because 1) she doesn't like to lose anything, and 2) being a losing VP candidate is a terrible way to ever get to be president.

QE-motherfucking-D.

[quakerboy]

77. Your argument is compelling.

1 and 2 speak to me.

Can you show me her doing this. Even a little? Or even just saying that she is willing to set aside that (politicial) friendship and lay down the smack? I want to believe it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

82. She campaigned for Obama in Illinois, didn't she?

I imagine they were probably perfectly friendly until people started talking about him running for President.

[quakerboy]

86. Did they

go on any fact finding trips together? Spend any real time together?

When she campaigned, she was the superstar, helping out. I assume, at least. Having been in similar situations, its not the same as a drinking buddy.

I just question how effective she can let herself be against McCain. I haven't seen even a trace of her attack abilitys against him. Even when she was running under the general assumption that she would be running against him.

Perhaps I am misremembering, but I recall some event where one of them said that if they were running opposite, it would be the most civil campaign ever. What changes if she is VP?

[quakerboy]

70. Ummm

Now Obama has to ask democrats to hold republicans accountable?

There was a time when she was running for the nomination. Months of it in fact. At that time, a person taking the republican nominee down would have had a shot at getting my vote. Hillary did not do so. Please show me where she did, and I will change my tune. I want to be wrong, since I see her as a serious potential choice at this time. But the evidence thus far, that I have seen, is that she will be a cheerleader presidential contenders, and that being a democrat only means she is more enthusiastic about the democrat, not that she will go toe to toe with the other side.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

84. re: "Now Obama has to ask democrats to hold republicans accountable?"

Yes, he does. And that will continue until election day.

In a Presidential year everything is cleared with the campaign. That has always been the case. You might get a few lowly house members popping off on local TV, but national media and message are coordinated through the campaign.

As to whether Hillary has spoken out against Republicans, not so much. Yet she genuinely hates Republicans, which Obama does not. People pursue interests and since she has been in the Senate her program was to make herself acceptable to the center.

This conversation is kind of funny because you may have a higher opinion of her than I do. I think she's almost a caricature of ruthlessness. I doubt friendship, even if real, would slow her down if she perceived a reason to go after someone. She's a slightly better human being than Bill is, but they have learned a lot from each other and given Bill's willingness to sell out anyone I wouldn't want to rely on being friends with either of them if push came to shove.

In any event, the VP decision won't fall to either of us.

[quakerboy]

92. Its true

all our bantering here is an academic exercise at best.

"Yet she genuinely hates Republicans, which Obama does not."

I would love to see your evidences and reasonings on that pair of assertions.

[DefenseLawyer]

29. Several months ago I made a similar "going to the mattresses" reference

and was pilloried for being a sexist pig. Sorry I can't get you off the hook, even for old times sake.

[LostinVA]

33. It's not the least bit sexual -- I would have defended you if I saw that

[DefenseLawyer]

39. Well for younger people it is a pretty obscure reference, I suppose

I'm sure there are plenty of well known movie references from the last 10 years that would be lost on me as well.

[AngryAmish]

67. You said "get off". That is sexist right there.

You will never learn.

[DefenseLawyer]

69. Damn it!

Never quote Abe Vigoda if you know what's good for you.

[blm]

31. Show me when Clintons ONCE took on Bushes from 2001-2007? You liked how they quickly

fought back on the Clintons trashed the WH story? How quickly did they fight back on Clinton was soft on terrorism story? Eight books came out between 9-11,2001 and 2006, and Bill never even tried fighting back till a FOX interview right before that 9-11 movie came out in Sept2006.

Clintons didn't lift a finger to change the narrative and certainly never fought back the way some of you claim.

[Erin Elizabeth]

34. This is a really good point.

I didn't see her fighting against the bush debacle in the Senate.

Why the heck would I think she'd fight against McCain? I think McCain should ask her to be HIS VP.

[LaurenG]

35. Well I can't say I'd agree with that tactic but I guess

if that's what she wants to do. (scrubbing Clinton/McCain mattress acrobatics thought away)x(

[leftynyc]

36. Clark would do the same thing

The man is fearless and I think picking him would show absolute brilliance.

[JVS]

47. Why would anyone expect her to do that?

[americanstranger]

51. No.

It's a coordinated effort among some Clinton supporters mixed with a push by Corporate Media.

And if you think that Obama isn't taking to McCain, then you must not have turned your TV on yet today.

And BTW - the term is not 'take him to the mattresses.' The term as used in the Godfather is 'going to the mattresses,' meaning to hole up in a secure location in anticipation of a gang war.

Obama, starting yesterday, went to the mattresses. Without Clinton's help, thanks very much.

- as

[PM7nj]

55. I agree... kinda.

I am not especially rooting for Hillary, but I think she would be a good choice. There are others I think that may be better (Clark) but I would be fine with Hillary.

[Beregond2]

57. I didn't get it either.

I loathe movies that romanticize the Mafia.

[quakerboy]

62. Can Hillary take McCain to the Mattress?

I posted on this yesterday. They are reported to be friendly with each other. And they certaintly didn't seem too keen on attacking each other during the primaries.

It has to be asked, can and will Hillary actually take McCain on in the rough n tumble fashion that is needed? Has she so far, or would she be constrained to just cheering on Obama?

[Cleita]

68. We don't need a repeat of Lieberman's kissy, kissy with Dick Cheney

that we had during Gore's campaign.

[Beausoir]

83. See post #17.

[LSK]

63. and Joe Biden is not capable of doing that?

:shrug:

[10 Year Freeper]

73. I agree

Hillary would ensure an Obama win.

She brings the disaffected feminists back, and fights like a seasoned and accomplished warrior...ruthless.

She fights to win, damn the cost.

While it would be incongruous with the general themes of the Obama campaign, she would turn the corner for them.

[quakerboy]

75. She fights to win

When has she fought her vodka drinking contest buddy McCain?

On the one hand, I like the idea that she can work across the isle and that they can have a congenial relationship outside the walls of the senate. Seems like the lack of that is part of why things have been so viscious. But will that allow her to take on McCain as needed? I asked anyone to show me her doing that, and came up empty. Would you care to step up to that challenge?

[10 Year Freeper]

78. No Incentive

Hillary is out for Hillary first, the party second.

Provide her with incentive and she will DESTROY McCain.

[quakerboy]

80. Really?

She went after Obama rough enough. I want to believe. But so far as I know, she hasn't been around Obama since 92, with the opportunity to cement a political friendship. Its one thing to take on a new guy for a job you have been virtually guaranteed to get. Its another to go down the smack down road with a former drinking buddy, For the benefit of your new "boss", after already having the wind knocked out of your sails by said new boss.

I don't buy the Hillary as an Inhuman Terminator argument. She is human, and as subject to frustration, dejection, second thoughts, and all the rest as any of the rest of us.

[SuperTrouper]

88. That's right, tell her: President Hillary 2016 and she will

destroy McCain and burn all his 7 houses and break Cindy's good arm :bounce:

[mod mom]

85. If she was a dedicated Dem she would gladly do it regardless of whether she is VP.

[hootinholler]

89. What a lovely double entendre!

I think that's a possibility (taking him "to the mattresses") since she's better aligned with McCain than Obama.

No DLC! Not anywhere! They are done screwing the party.

-Hoot

[burythehatchet]

90. No, it is not. It is because the corporate wing of the Dem party would rather see

us lose than see us win because if progressives win, the corporatist cockroaches lose.

[klyon]

93. I would rather she took him to the floor

the mattress sounds to much like another Clinton

[Beacool]

95. Hey, watch it!!!

There IS a limit to what Hillary will do for the party.......

:evilgrin:

[carlotta]

97. It's Obama's job to take McCain to the mattress.

Do women have to do everything????:)

[Beacool]

98. A woman's work is never done.

Even in politics......

:7

[TexasObserver]

99. Unfortunately, when she got in bed with him earlier this year ...

... she probably took McCain to the mattress the only way she will.

Has anyone yet heard Hillary attack McCain the way she attacked Obama? Hell No.

[Beausoir]

100. See post #17.