All I know is Kerry had damned well better

[Guaranteed]

not be talking about getting rid of all 527's. If he is, I'm going to have a serious problem with that.

[mediaman007]

1. I agree

I contributed to Move-on long before Kerry became the party's candidate. Move-on allows us to present ideas that may not be of interest to Kerry. We still have the right to have those issues aired.

[Guaranteed]

2. Yup...after reading up a bit, it does look like

Kerry "made a deal" and sold out our FUCKING RIGHTS to the Bush administration.

I'm so fucking pissed. Like NSMA said, we agree to stop telling the truth as long as they agree to stop telling lies.

On edit: But, you know, who really gives a shit about the 1st Amendment, anyway?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. That would be crazy right now, just as a serious, excellent 527 ad blitz

is just about to get underway, isn't it? If they did that right now, that would mean Bush would have gotten maximum benefit for his smear and remove most of the punch of the pro-Dem 527's. Maybe not quite political suicide, but quite dumb.

[Guaranteed]

6. Don't give a shit about our rights, huh?

It's all just political strategy.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. No, I care about our rights too. I'm just saying it would also be dumb

strategy right now. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Back off with the broken bottle dude! It's cool, it's cool!

[Guaranteed]

8. I agree with you on that point,

but it's totally secondary.

Nobody here is talking about the fact that these two campaigns apparently think that it's up to THEM whether or not the American PEOPLE get a voice in the run up to the elections.

WTF? People are way too caught up in this drama.

[StClone]

4. I saw a post but couldn't read it stating MoveOn wasn't 527

Anyone with the goods on this?

[Guaranteed]

13. I'm pretty sure MoveOn is a 527. nt

[mockmonkey]

19. I saw that too

Mentioned that MoveOn was a PAC and not a 527. I don't know enough about this...yet.

For those as confused as me this may help.
http://www.bushout.tv/archives/199.html


Edit: added a link

[sandnsea]

23. Two entities

There's a Moveon portion that is a 527 and a portion that's not. I don't remember the exact details, but Moveon is set up differently than some of these other groups.

[goodhue]

24. It's both.

Move On has a 527 AND a Pac.
It's all about diversification of pots of money.
In any event, 527s are not going anywhere.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Of course he does. MoveOn is airing a set of ads

During the gop convention (according to an article in the New Yorker this week). These ads show average republicans who aren't going to vote for bush giving testimony. I believe that they are afraid that these ads will be effective.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. Man, are you being played.

[Guaranteed]

11. Don't use my line.

It's trademarked.

Besides, what do you know?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. See here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x673007

[Guaranteed]

17. You don't even know what the hell I'm talking about.

Go back to bed.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

21. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Actually, though, I think you know exactly what I'm talking about, and I think you know exactly how it relates to your thread, but I can understand why it would be hard to admit. Just imho.

[goodhue]

10. The ad was not a 527 ad.

And a 527 would be free to run its own comparable add. This is not a first amendment affront as some apparently think. Plenty of 527 ads to come.

[Guaranteed]

12. Then why is Bush talking about passing some legislation

with McCain?

On edit: And I'm not talking about the fucking McCain ad.

[goodhue]

20. Because he is trying to co-opt McCain campaign reform message.

No such legislation could possibly affect this year's election ads.

[mzmolly]

14. Here is some clarification BGL.

...McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I want to emphasize if I could that we're not saying that 527s should be abolished. We're just saying they should live under the same campaign finance restrictions (as hard money groups) because they are engaged in partisan activity.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20040826/ap_on_el_pr/bush_swift_boat_ads_5

[Guaranteed]

16. Ahhh...

Ok. That's a LITTLE different.

I'll have to think about that one.

[Guaranteed]

22. See, but then look at this:

"McClellan said the goal is 'to shut down all of this activity by these shadowy groups.' "

[mzmolly]

25. Moveon is not "shadowy" the SBV liars are.

:shrug:

[Guaranteed]

26. Is that would McClellan would say?

:)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Who gives a fuck? Why get upset about what McClellan says?

That's the reaction he wants from you.

[Guaranteed]

31. I'm not angry about what he's SAYING...I'm angry about

what they're planning on DOING.

[mzmolly]

30. Yes because "Kerry served with honor is the official WH word"

:P

Though, I don't know what they'd say about Moveon. But, one thing they can't say is ... they're connected to Kerry.

[1monster]

18. But can 527's be gotten rid of without an act of Congress, since they were

brought into being by an act of Congress? Whether or not Bush and/or Kerry condemn 527's should not affect the ability of 527's to continue to produce and air ads at all.

Remember, 527's are SUPPOSED to have NO coordination with the candidates teams whatsoever.

The 527's are SUPPOSED to be INDEPENDENT from any candidate.

Therefore, Bush's condemnation or lack of the same toward the Swiftboat Veterans ads speaks to his personal and political dis/honesty.

Bush's condemnation would not be enough to legally stop the Swiftboat Vets ads anymore than Kerry's condemnation would of a MoveOn ad.

The deliberate linking of the bogus Swiftboat ads to ALL 527's is simply a ploy to discredit all 527's and that in itself raises several disturbing questions.

[Myrina]

28. Why don't they encourage or limit 527's to ...

POSITIVELY campaigning for their candidate, instead of launching anti-opponent ads ? I'm guessing that's what their original intention was, waaay back in ancient history, anyway. :shrug:

That would limit any effect the GOP 527's could have, for sure.

Uh, what's Bush got to run on again ? NOTHING

[kentuck]

29. I don't mind him talking about it......

so long as he doesn't agree to it...It would probably divert the attention of the dirt dabbers...