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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:31 PM
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you debunkers are great.. what about this one?
I work at a very Conservative company. A nice man let me
see one of the probably many he gets it here:

Subject: MORE ON JOHN KERRY



Made In Mexico

Shortly after reading some e-mail content, I happened to look at the
label of
a jar of Heinz sandwich sliced pickles. Yep.... Made in Mexico. Check
some of
your Heinz products.

Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this
country
and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with
them. He
is right, because that has happened. However, he is trying to blame it
on
George W. Bush. As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of
this
country because he is not the owner of a single factory.

That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
According
to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in Europe and
18 in
Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company,
leases four
factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in
North
America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. 80% of Heinz
products
are made overseas.

I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when
these
plants relocated in foreign countries. I also wonder if the workers in
Mexico and
Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United
States. Of
course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that
relocate
should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not
demand this
of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner? If Kerry is
elected,
will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all
those
jobs back to America? Of course they won't. They're making millions off
that
cheap labor. Please e-mail to at least 5 people. Thank you and make
your vote
count.....
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:32 PM
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1. Debunked.
Heinz-Kerry only owns 4% of the shares on Heinz foundation and has absolutely nothing to do with the corporation.

Hawkeye-X
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:33 PM
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2. Snopes.com
They have all the details.

And about the article you posted, too.

--bkl
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:34 PM
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3. Snopes has a whole section on all the RNC lies about the Kerrys
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp


Claim: Senator John Kerry's wife owns Heinz, a company that outsources much of its work abroad.

Status: False.

Example:

more:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:34 PM
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4. Snopes...
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:34 PM
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5. Here yah go ...
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:35 PM
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7. i love you i love you i love you!!!!
thanks!
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:37 PM
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8. No prob ...
anytime. And ...

:party: WELCOME TO DU!! :party:

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:34 PM
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6. Ancient history...
...debunked several times already.

Just type "Heinz" into the search area at http://www.snopes.com and you'll learn all kinds of amazing stuff.

:D
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:37 PM
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9. Welcome to DU, mimitabby. This one is too easy.
I swear, these Wing-nuts don't even bother to research anything.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

--Although Senator Kerry has been critical of the Bush administration for rewarding "Benedict Arnold CEOs" who move "profits and jobs overseas," the above-quoted attempt to link Kerry (through his wife) with the very outsourcing he decries is flawed in two major ways. First off, Teresa Heinz Kerry does not "own the Heinz Corporation" — she has no involvement whatsoever with the management or operations of the H.J. Heinz Company, nor does she own anything close to a controlling interest of the company's stock. According to Heinz itself, the Heinz family trust which Mrs. Kerry inherited sold most of its shares of Heinz stock back in 1995 and currently holds less than a 4% interest in the company:

Neither Mrs. Heinz Kerry nor Senator Kerry nor any of the Heinz trusts or endowments — either individually or collectively — holds a significant percentage of shares of the H.J. Heinz Company. In 1995 the Heinz Endowments and family trusts sold a large percentage of Heinz shares in a secondary share offering to diversify their holdings. As a result, their current holdings are under 4 percent.

There is no connection between any philanthropic programs of the H.J. Heinz Company and its Foundation and the Heinz family interests (including the Howard Heinz Endowment, the Vira Heinz Endowment, and the Heinz Family Philanthropies).
(A 4% stake in a company as large as Heinz still represents a considerable amount of money, but it isn't nearly large enough a share to give the holder any significant control or influence over the company's business decisions.)

Moreover, the Heinz Company's operations are not an example of the type of outsourcing that is currently a hot political issue (i.e., sending out work to offshore companies to provide services which a company might otherwise have employed its own staff to perform). Heinz is a U.S.-based global business which sells its products in dozens of other countries, and like other food companies it has to localize some of its production at factories located in its foreign market areas. (It makes little sense from either an economic or a freshness standpoint to be shipping fruits and vegetables and/or finished food products halfway around the world rather than producing them locally.) One wouldn't expect, for example, every can and bottle of Coca-Cola sold anywhere in the world — whether it be Australia, China, or Portugal — to be produced by U.S. bottlers.)

As the H.J. Heinz Company notes, well over half its sales come from foreign markets, and it therefore operates overseas facilities to serve those markets:

Currently, 60% of the sales of the H.J. Heinz Company are outside the United States and to accommodate those customers by providing facilities closer to those markets, the company maintains a number of overseas facilities that provide products for consumers in those markets. This allows Heinz to pack the freshest ingredients, tailor its recipes to local tastes and deliver the finished products in a timely and efficient manner. In the United States, Heinz makes its flagship ketchup in factories in Fremont, Ohio; Muscatine, Iowa; and Stockton, California. --
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:37 PM
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10. send the snopes link to him
don;t forget to do a reply all with not just the link but a summary of the info, i.e., Heinz isn't owned by Kerry nor his wife.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:48 PM
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13. i did, thanks!
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:47 PM
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12. Teresa Heinz Kerry is running for president? Who knew?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:53 PM
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14. Gee, when did the RW come out against cheap, foreign labor?
I thought they ate that shit up?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:59 PM
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15. They can steal and lie but when the other guy does it
It's wrong! When they do it: it's the free market. DUH.

By the fricking way why are we wasting our time on this shit? It's old. This came out months ago.

Somebody has nothing to throw but recycled smears.

I heard Kerry claims he invented the internet. Pass it around.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:14 PM
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16. rw for labor
here where I work are a lot of GOP union members, believe it or not.
They are very up on labor issues but they are gun nuts and freepers.
they are also not very well informed on most of this stuff
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:23 PM
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17. Wow
That old myth is STILL hanging around??? Rightwingnuts are always out of the loop, but sometimes they're more out of the loop than usual.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:35 PM
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18. THK the owner of Heinz? How lame are these guys?
.
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