There was a Hillary supporter on Hardball today

[senseandsensibility]

I don't know if any of you saw her. She was the first "PUMA", although she didn't identify herself as such, that I've ever encountered in real life. She said she supported Hillary and she was surrounded by Obama supporters. But then when Chris asked her if she hoped Obama lost, she said "Yes." And she said it so proudly.

I haven't met anyone like that in real life, but she seemed real.

[Colobo]

1. They are despicable. But if they happen to help Obama lose...

Hillary better get ready for '12, because I'll be among those that will make sure she loses the nomination process.

[FrenchieCat]

3. You and me and everyone I know.

I don't think she'd have a prayer if things don't go right. That is something she can bet on.......Because I'll be actively campaigning against her if it's the last thing in my life I do.

Many in the Black community will feel the exact same way I do.

[MaraJade]

32. So it will be Hillary's fault if the Obama Presidency doesn't go right. . .

I thought that the "Buck" stops at the Oval Office. Harry Truman didn't look for scapegoats--
neither should Obama or his followers if things don't go right.

:grr:

Sheesh! I guess Hillary is responsible for the "BROKEN heart" and the "CRACK of dawn" as well!

[emilyg]

38. Of course she is.

:hug:

[Beacool]

39. Yep, don't you know?

Hillary telepathically controls the minds of millions of people, and if Obama loses, it'll be her fault and no one else's.

Unbelievable the crap one sometimes reads on this board.

:eyes:

[CTLawGuy]

41. she made all this hey

about how the "process was unfair" (only after she started losing) and "how dare you punish MI and FL" (only after she decided she needed their votes) and constant cries of "sexism," when the media was bending over backwards to keep her in the race, even buying her garbage "popular vote winner," "big state winner," and "white working class winner" theories. She is, at least in part, responsible for the PUMAs.

I don't remember Deaniac PUMAs in 2004. I would know, because I was a Dean supporter. Then again I don't remember half as much of an entitlement complex from Howard Dean as well.

[eshfemme]

48. You bring up a good point, there were never any PUMAs for any other presidential also-rans except

for Hillary. So whatever her intents now, the PUMAs can be blamed on Hillary's ill-advised actions. Seriously, she sank her own fucking boat. Quit blaming Obama for that crap, PUMAs! It's also those same people who are probably being bolstered in number by freeper trolls too. That's what they're doing in their selfishness-- helping the rest of the country be screwed over.

[endthewar]

52. Here you are, right on cue.

:eyes:

[Undercurrent]

36. Yes they do.

My second ex husband is black, and his family is huge. They all say they will never vote for a Clinton again, and they say all of their black friends feel the same way. I'm not saying that the Clintons acted in a racist way, but the perception is out there among many in the black community.

As for me. No. I'll work for any Democrat but Hillary.

[Beacool]

40. How soon people forget.

Sad..........

[Raineyb]

54. What exactly is that supposed to mean?

Surely the implication is not that black people are somehow being ingrates because they've decided that the Clintons have crossed a line that soured the relationship?

Because if it is that is a whole heaping load of crap!

Regards

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

53. Absolutely!! You can bet on it. There are millions of blacks who will point the finger

squarely at the Clintons!

[angee_is_mad]

9. Damn straight

and it won't be pretty. Hell she probably need to worry about her senate seat. There are a lot of pissed New York voters who probably will have long memories.

[angee_is_mad]

10. dupe

Dupe. Sorry.

[eleny]

20. Count me in

[cboy4]

42. Aren't you the one who said Obama should pick Hillary, and

now you want to punish her for how people she doesn't control behave?

I can't believe what I read sometimes.

[Naturyl]

49. That's what the right wing wants. That's their whole plan.

They want to install McCain AND ruin Hillary in the process. It's so obvious. Their plan is to kill two birds with one stone. They will use Hillary and the PUMA's as a tool to help elect McCain, and the Clintons will be trashed as a result. It's what they have been wanting to do for years, and this is their chance.

Don;t let them do this. Don't play into their hands by holding Hillary accountable for this. It isn't her doing.

[Heather MC]

51. I think the PUMA's are a republican invented tool, started by Operation Chaos

Everytime they have a PUMA on TV they do or say something that lets you know they are not DEMs

[apnu]

58. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

PUMA's are this year's swift-boaters. Bank on that.

[olkaz]

59. It's not true. Maybe it's been fed by Repubs, but a lot of these people were Democrats.

Many were DU posters. They **really** wanted Hillary to be president.

I'm sorry, but most real republicans aren't insidious enough to feign support for Hillary Clinton in order to win. These PUMA's are working really hard.

[Bobbie Jo]

2. Yeah... and bet she voted for *.....twice.

:eyes:

[DJ13]

4. Short sighted idiots

If Obama loses, what will be left of America for Hillary to govern as President by 2012 after another 4 years of Republican sell outs to corporations?

[Cha]

5. They're so stupid ...it's like parading

poor dumb idiots for mass viewing.

[griffi94]

6. i don't know anything about the puma group

except that they're a political action committee.
however i live in a red state, and i personally know democrats here who have been democrats for as long as i've known them, who are voting mccain at the top of the ticket. i don't know hundreds of them, but more than a few.

[gateley]

7. Why are those people -- the Dems you know -- voting for McCain? nt

[angee_is_mad]

14. Don't know enough about him

which is code for he is BLACK!!!!

[gateley]

24. Yep. That's what I usually figure. nt

[griffi94]

15. they don't like obama

the reason i've heard most often is his lack of experience. but this being the state it is, i'm sure racism plays a part, along with a general distrust of yankees.

[gateley]

23. Well the lack of experience can be a valid concern for some, but

when they are life-long Dems, I always have to wonder if it's underlying racism. The people I know here give kind of empty "reasons" but it's racism, too. Some admit it, some don't even see it in themselves.

It's too bad. I honestly believe they're hurting themselves.

[griffi94]

25. well again i'm in a red state

even the democrats here are pretty conservative. so i don't totally discredit the lack of experience excuse. add to that that obama is from illinois and biden is from delaware. the general population here seems to distrust people they consider outsiders.
they didn't like kerry either but really hated bush so they bit the bullet and voted for kerry. they don't seem to hate mccain the way they hated bush tho.

[Carrieyazel]

8. People, you've got to stop watching Screwball.

Submitting yourselves to that punishment is not healthy.

[snowbear]

11. I saw her.. but don't recall her saying she hopes Obama loses..

.
.

Chris asked her a few questions and she was so lame she couldn't even answer half of them, so he said something snide to her and moved on.

I actually thought Tweety handled her well.

She looked like a PHONY McLAME SUPPORTER to me.

[still_one]

16. I suspect your impressions are closer to reality. No women who voted for Hillary

WOULD EVER hope mccain wins

[snowbear]

17. Tweety actually looked at her like she was brain-dead..

.
.

And he didn't seem to be buying a word she mumbled.. (or should I say "fumbled") --- He definitely found a BOX OF ROCKS to interview in that one!

[qwlauren35]

30. Beg to differ...

In the same way that I know black Republicans who are chucking their principles and voting for Obama, there are bound to be Republican women who voted for Hillary because she's a woman.

Also, whenever an election is considered "close", some people will always be bitter.

There are still anti-Obama folks here on DU, silently watching and prepared to cut loose and roar if he loses in the fall.

It's just how things are.

[senseandsensibility]

29. No

she said she hopes Obama loses.

[still_one]

12. They are a small brainless minority. No women who supported Hillary would want mccain to win

over Obama

The majority of Clinton supporter, I would venture greater than 90% will vote for Obama

What you are watching are freaks, who don't care about gender rights at all

[MaraJade]

33. If you keep believing that dissenting voices

constitute a "small brainless" minority, you are the ones jeopardizing Obama's run for
the Presidency.

[grassfed]

13. If Hillary won these women would be ruling

Thankfully they're just joke material, although they have set the Women's Movement back 30 years.

[MaraJade]

34. Right. For women to have control of anything is bad. . .

right? Only men should "rule" over anything--after all, only men are natural leaders.

:grr:

[CatBO]

50. Not at all brensgrrl you'rs misinterpreting that post...

"THESE" women would be leading... these crazy PUMA people.

I, for one, hate all PUMAs and anyone who wants Obama to lose because Hillary didn't win is an embarrassment to our gender.

They HAVE set the women's movement back many years and I am outright ashamed of how some women have behaved since Hillary lost the nomination. Way to show that they can't hang with the guys.

I hope that our next female candidate has supporters who are more rational and clear-headed if she should lose. PUMAs have shown that many women out there are terrible sports and poor losers. If you can't lose with dignity, you shouldn't get involved.

[patrice]

18. Delusions of grandeur. Drunk on power. Sick.

[FreeState]

19. There not Clinton supporters anymore

they are traitors to the democratic party - Hillary has asked her supporters to support Obama - if they cant follow their leader they dont support her IMO. They are traitors.

[scheming daemons]

21. We've been told they don't exist......

[apocalypsehow]

22. Yep! All just a figment of our imagination, these mythical "PUMA'S"...

....right up until the time they prove they're not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6721746

[AuntPatsy]

37. The media is giving them credence...they are nothing without the media and the media knows it...

The only reason you have even heard about them is because of the media giving some of their small numbers air time....

[windbreeze]

57. but that's not necessarily true...

I heard about pumas through a democratic group I belong too, when the women in the group went balistic over Obama becoming the "presumptive nominee" and how Hillary was cheated, etc., etc.,..I had to go searching on the web to see what the hell they were talking about..since I haven't listened to or watched TVnews since Feb.04..wb

[barack the house]

26. They are real but clearly their actions meant he couldn't put her on the ticket. It's all very

bizarre really. The rate their going they are making even harder for women to get elected too as it's a matter of being nice to people to get into office not strong arming that's the work of dictators.

[barack the house]

28. When will they discover democracy is benevolent dictatorships strongarm it's the middle east woo.

[Caria]

27. I know one & I think I've finally figured out how she thinks

She's 40 and has basically been politically aware for Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. She thinks of the Clinton years as being special - the one time in her memory when the economy was truly strong, there was optimism about the possibility of peace in the Middle East, the government seemed to value citizen's needs over corporate greed, and it is the only time she can remember that the government was even interested in doing anything at all to conserve and protect our environmental resources. She seems to think that the Clintons - and only the Clintons - have some special magic that will set the world back on course.

[Hatchling]

31. She's NOT a Hillary supporter!

Hillary supporters support Obama!

[MaraJade]

35. Most of them will be gagging as they vote, and they are unhappy and

doubtful, but they will press the Obama button and vomit.

Obama has a lot to live up to. If we vote for him and he screws up--watch out!!!!

[Hatchling]

55. I think that's nonsense.

Granted some will hold their noses, but a majority are getting solidly behind the ticket.

The M$M is trying to foster a divide. Don't fall for it.

[lojasmo]

61. Brensgrrl is speaking autobiographically.

She's stirring shit, and needs to be TS'ed.

[lojasmo]

60. MOST of them will gladly vote for the nominee....

His positions match Clintons 98% or so.

Why don't you try allegre's site. You'll fit right in there, I'm sure.

[Vinca]

43. The PUMAs are self-centered idiots who don't realize if Obama

loses they will be partly responsible and, by way of them, so will Hillary. If they think she can run and win in 2012, they're in for a surprise. For starters, we would be lucky to still have a democracy that allowed voting in 2012. With saber-rattling McBush at the helm, it's not a stretch to imagine WWIII and nuclear holocaust.

[my3boyz]

44. Oh you left out the best part. She was in a Hillary shirt with a McCain button! nt

[mmonk]

45. It's interesting that these people are probably HRC's worst enemy.

The danger is that enough people will blame her if Obama loses thus hurting her future chances in politics.

[Emit]

46. Was her name Christi Atkins?

That's the one who keeps calling Hannity's talk radio program, and he's had her as a guest several times.

[Peacetrain]

47. There is a few like that

They do not have a bit of respect for Hillary. She is trying to get them over the hump. Its adult politics, but they just can't do it. More likely than anything just a republican operative acting like they supported Hillary to stir it up..

Remember Florida, and the vote recount with all those republican operatives "acting" like concerned citizens..

[goletian]

56. lol @ anyone hoping for an obama loss for hillary 2012. it will never happen.