Ok I am slow this morning

[Egnever]

Can someone explain to me How mcsame having PTSD helps him?

The hand wringing over the key thing is just leaving me stunned as people seem to think that msame can make us look bad by claiming he is mentally deficient and we are being mean to him as if being mentaly deficient makes him better suited for the presidency.

I must need more coffee.

[grannie4peace]

1. sympathy

[snooper2]

7. People don't really want a president

that they have to feel sorry for :rofl:

[Egnever]

10. I dont think that works for him

I think it makes him look weak, Incompitent, Fragile. Something no one wants in a president.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Why even go there? We can mock him without playing into his POW hand.

[Egnever]

8. I think his pow thing is already wearing thin as an excuse for everything

and pointing out more situations he cant handle cause he was a pow I think only hurts mcsame and even better points out why his refusal to support funding for things like treatment of ptsd is so incredibly lame.

Not to mention I dont want anyone making decisions for me that can become unhinged by someone in the room jangling their keys. I mean are you freaking kidding me?

[TwilightGardener]

13. The whole point of the key thing is NOT to test his reaction to them--

it's to remind people of the house gaffe. This is why the argument of "well, if he freaks out from keys, then he shouldn't be President" is just plain dumb. Why risk the backlash of appearing to taunt the guy? It's so stupid, I can't believe people are advocating this.

[mamalone]

28. I do agree.

Actually, at the start of it, I thought it was an amusing idea... but that was back before I knew that they were a trigger for him. Taunting anyone who is troubled by any kind of mental illness or similar issues is just so far beyond the pale as far as I am concerned. Aren't we Dems supposed to be the tolerant ones? the compassionate ones? Let's act like it, ok? :hug:

[ljm2002]

29. First off...

...plastic keys do not make the same noise as metal keys do. So there is no way that the sound would trigger his PTSD, even if that is a real issue, which I doubt.

Secondly, I seem to remember an election where one of our guys got kicked off the ticket because he had once been treated for depression. Oh yeah, but that's different... how, again?

Third, the more we stay scared of how someone, somewhere will react, the more we hedge our bets / parse our words / come off looking like a bunch of wusses.

I need to stop reading these threads, I don't think I've posted this much at one time before, and yes I am suitably embarrassed by that. :-)

[mamalone]

30. Isn't it funny how one gets sucked into these things...lol

Even when everything in you knows better:)

And I do understand what you are saying... but to me the issue is that we would be appearing to mock McCain's mental health issues. And say what you want about the appropriateness of someone with those issues gaining the presidency (Heavens, I'd probably agree with you!) that would be lost in the sea of uproar that would ensue in the MSM. And many other folks who also have mental health issues and are trying to live ordinary lives would also feel mocked and derided. I really just don't want any part of anything like that. And I think we Dems are bigger, better and smarter than all of that.
But hey, maybe that's just me:)

And maybe this should be my last post on the subject;)

[billyoc]

3. It endears him to the troop worshipping fetishists of empire.

[Egnever]

6. So they will say to themselves ...

that poor guy he cant help it he is scared of keys we should make him president?

It screams to me UNFIT TO LEAD!

[Joe the Revelator]

4. He doesn't even need to mention that he has PTSD

It will be framed that democrats are "making fun" of John's POW status and TRYING to rile him up by reminding him of his jailers.

[Egnever]

5. and you think people will buy into that?

[redqueen]

9. They bought that Kerry was a coward and a wimp didn't they?

[Egnever]

11. They sure did

John Mcsame being afraid of keys makes him look strong and many how exactly?

[redqueen]

14. You think that's how they'll frame it? Seriously?

Hint: they won't.

It won't be framed as something referring to his weakness... but rather referring to our cruelty and hatred.

Have people here really paid SO little attention to the M$M's tactics over the years?

:wtf:

[Egnever]

18. Who cares how they frame it?

He is weak and mentaly unhinged. If you accept the premise that they do all the framing we have lost already.

[redqueen]

19. Accept the premise? It's fucking reality. The M$M will frame it. (nt)

[Egnever]

21. Then we lost allready why keep up the pretense.

No point in continuing this farce at all.

[redqueen]

22. Yes Obama has done so well so far with the "fuck it we'll lose anyway" tactic.

:banghead:

[Egnever]

23. Well if you are to be believed he has done so well so far because they let him

Cause we have no control over the framing of issues.

[redqueen]

26. Nooooo... he has done so well by being careful.

Using a fucking dumbass tactic that WILL be framed as cruel and sick... that's reckless and dumb as hell.

There are tons of other options... yet SOME here are INSISTING on this one that's guaranteed to backfire.

Interesting, huh?

Can't really make it any plainer.

[Egnever]

27. We dissagree

I think its foolproof. You are afraid some people might get mad.

I'll tell you what I'll jangle my keys and you cant point at me and say meany!

With your nose in the air.

Fine by me someone has to start fighting back, clearly you are willing to do it.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. You don't?

have you not been paying attention the last, oh I don't know, eight years?

[redqueen]

15. No shit...

this is a fucking no-brainer if there ever was one.

[Egnever]

16. Of course I have so you are seriously going to sit there

and try to tell me that the idea that we would have a leader who is unhinged by key jingling is a good thing for mcsame.

When he is negotiating that all important cease fire or whatever and the opposition comes into the room does America really want a guy there representing us that the opposition can unhinge simply by bringing their car keys with them and making a little noise?

Sorry I disagree wolsh this makes him look like he should be disqualified completely to me and maybe put into some sort of retreat where he can get treatment.

[Barack_America]

17. Because his camp will claim that it's a slight to his POW status...

And hey, did you know that John McCain is a POW?

Have you ever heard about McCain's heroic POW tale?

POWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOW....

Everytime HE brings up being a POW (particularly as an excuse for something) he cheapens it.

Everytime WE bring it up we give it strength.


THAT is how this is a losing issue.

[Egnever]

20. And we will say if keys make him piss himself he has no business being POTUS

Do you want a guy sitting next to the button that becomes all worked up anytime someone gets their keys out of their pocket?

Make his pow status aliability point to all the soldiers that have ptsd and need help and equate him to one of them point out the terible things they go through and even do to their own families and say we need to help these people not ignore it and hide it under the rug.

I see only losses for mcsame in this thing. I very highly doubt that he will want to point out he is afraid of keys in the first place. If indeed he is which I highly doubt.

[Barack_America]

24. As chieftan's son mentioned in his post, it will be framed as PRISON KEYS...

...i.e. as mocking McCain's POW experience, rather than triggering his PTSD.

Do you really want Dems on TV, trying to work in the PTSD angle, explaining, "No, we were really trying to mock his houses gaffe, but if the keys mock anything about McCain's POW experience they mock his PTSD because keys are a trigger for that".

[Egnever]

25. Thats fine!

Cause the real issuer underneath is he is afraid of keys!

Of course they are going to say we are being mean but we just laugh and say are you kidding me its about his houses not his prisoner status but now that you mention it is he really afraid of keys? and if so then how in the hell is he going to negotiate treaties when he loses his mind every time someone takes their keys out.

We don't have to be the nice guy to win. In fact isn't it the nice guy that finishes last?

[symbolman]

32. It's funny isn't it?

They are all scared shitless of the Right Wing and the Media..

They are FROZEN, and even think it's THEIR OWN IDEA.

It's called Brainwashing, and it's been going on for a long time.. it's how the corporations sell us shit.

You are absolutely right, and for people to stand on their heads and spit McCain quarters is beyond the pale..

They DON'T seem to have critical thinking skills anymore, we're toast.. genetically bullshitted meat that demands to be eaten :)

[sandnsea]

31. Yeah I'm amazed too

I do see the point that if they get ahead of it and tell the media Democrats are jangling prison keys, it would take a huge effort to get people to understand they're house keys. And the PTSD wouldn't have to even enter into it. But there isn't anything that couldn't be misinterpreted. There's always an argument against saying anything "negative" around here. And the Republicans just keep hammering away and winning elections.

[lame54]

33. Because he becomes the victim and we , the evil heartless liberals