I am angry

[Marrah_G]

I should be happy. McCain picked a totally unqualified running mate.

But I realize why it is that I am angry.

This woman is a reminder of how older, intelligent qualified women are stepped over time and again by the pretty ones. The ones with no qualifications besides breasts and a peppy smile.

We, as women have seen this time and time again since birth. You can be dumb as a rock or mean as a viper and as long as you are pretty, life will treat you well. Those of us who were not blessed with good looks, have to work 100X harder and even then, it's often not good enough.

I am furious that this glorified cheerleader, with no experience, may end up with control if the largest scariest military in the world and no fucking clue what to do with it.

I am furious.

[redqueen]

1. Thank you.

And it's not just liberal / democratic / independent women who are disgusted with that bias.

It's the vast majority of ALL women.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6809137

[populistdriven]

129. but she's furry! and furry is sexy! /repuke brain shuts down

[moonbatmax]

170. THAT's her???

My Ghod! It's like... Harriet Miers!



Part Deux!

[Patriot Abroad]

179. This is like Harriet Meirs all over again, indeed . . .

The difference being that the hard core conservatives love her. So there ain't gonna be a backlash. Until November.

[Honeycombe8]

187. Well....Meirs was anything BUT a beauty queen. Meirs was cronyism.nt

[ginnyinWI]

189. no it's like Dubya

That's what I thought when I read:

"I am furious that this glorified cheerleader, with no experience, may end up with control if the largest scariest military in the world and no fucking clue what to do with it."

:rofl:

[liberalmike27]

191. This is good

I'm lifting it and posting it on other boards.

[thestrugglecontinues]

185. Palin VP Candidate

At the risk of being flamed, I think some on this forum might be thinking with their hearts instead of their heads. You might be underestimating Ms. Palin and her appeal to the average voter. She is more conservative than McCain, which helps him greatly with the republican base. She is a woman which, obviously, helps him with women. She is a former beauty queen which can't hurt with a lot of men.

You might hate McCain and Palin and all the other republicans, but she has a lot of appeal to millions of voters.

[MadHound]

190. I live in a red county, in a red state,

And judging from my neighbors' reactions, Palin may not help the ticket much at all. The most frequent comment that I've heard is that she is a "ditz", who has very little experience and isn't qualified for the veep spot. This worries people, what with McCain's age. These people are conservatives, yes, but they also don't want to see the country run by an unqualified idiot.

And as more and more information comes out about her, her initial shine is already wearing off and McCain's choice of her is being seen as just more cheap, tawdry pandering that won't work, especially among women, most of whom are able to see this for what it is.

Palin's appeal is disappearing rapidly, even in the short time that she's been out front. More and more this decision is reflecting badly on McCain. In a few weeks she could very well be an anchor around the McCain campaign's neck, and will have to either be cut loose or drag down the campaign.

Hell, even O'Reilly and Rove last night were admitting that the 'Pugs could lose in November, something that they hadn't done before Palin. While all the conservative pundits and party hacks are all putting on bright smiles and happy happy joy joy shows about Palin and McCain's campaign, behind the scenes I think they're shaking their heads in disbelieve over this choice and are preparing for the worst come this fall.

Women aren't falling for this veep choice, they see it for what it is, moderate 'Pugs are abandoning the party in droves, and McCain could very well have bit off more than he could chew with this pick.

And this is all in just the first twenty four hours. There are thousands of people dredging up everything on Palin, her high handed method of governing is coming out, her poor governing decisions, her corruption are all starting to come out. She may have looked squeaky clean yesterday, but that's already changed and is only going to get worse.

Sorry, but this Palin pick is going to haunt the McCain campaign, and help defeat it in the fall. Nobody wants a perky but inexperienced autocratic ditz one heartbeat away from the big chair.

[liberalmike27]

198. I disagree with this

She'll lose more conservatives than she gains in Hillary voters.

[thestrugglecontinues]

201. How do you figure?

What do you base that statement on? The conservatives are ecstatic, according to CNN and MSNBC.

[bjobotts]

202. So would a blind one armed monkey.Some repubs would cheer anything

[monmouth]

2. Repuke men don't want women who are smarter than they are. Think

Kay B. Hutchinson. Don't know if she was in the running but geez, way, way more qualified.. I agree with your post completely.

[jazzjunkysue]

50. The Janet Reno effect. Presicely. I've heard alot of men on CNN today

say they like her because she's so traditional: Mom and wife and non-opinionated. She defers to men, even while holding office. She's not threatening. She's their token.

But she's not really being taken seriously. If she were, they'd know she doesn't have the cred to be pres. should gramps kick off.

[Supersedeas]

66. wonder if Kay Bailey Hutchinson has released a single sigh today?

[Ikonoklast]

73. Just a *small* sigh

Knocked Gustav off course.

[question everything]

134. She was interveiwed on CNN. Of course praised her

but added that she really did not know much about her.

[madamesilverspurs]

98. The "Barbie" factor.

Frankly, I don't think any qualifications are going to matter one way or the other. McCain's reputation for chasing skirts is going to get a major workout, even with her hairdo that was last popular when McCain was a POW. And Phil Gramm and Karl Rove probably see her as fresh putty for their dirty hands.

[azygous]

192. Did you see him leering

at her butt during her acceptance speech? Of course, he could have been reading her scripted speech, but it sure looked to all the world like he was fixated on her ass.

[Patriot Abroad]

180. Headline of the day on CNN: Commentary: is McCain out of his mind?

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html

[bjobotts]

203. Yes, when do we get "Tits you could land a 747 on" Like with Romney

[liberalhistorian]

104. True. Even though I don't care for many of her

views, I would have been far more comfortable with Bailey Hutchison. She at least is intelligent and experienced, with knowledge of foreign policy. Like it or not, McSame may win and, given his age, something may very well happen to him during his term. As much as I often disagree with her, I'd feel far better with her as the "heartbeat away from the presidency" and not the completely inexperienced, unknowledgeable shallow cupcake twit. I understand why he may have felt it necessary to tap a woman, but Hutchison would have been a far better, much more intelligent choice.

I think she was in consideration, but, apparently, she and McCain do not get along at all and he doesn't like her. That shouldn't really matter, though, he should follow his own advice and put the country first, ahead of his personal likes and dislikes or what's comfortable for him. There've been many examples of presidential nominees tapping veep choices they didn't like but knew were practical good choices.

[Dollface]

105. Have you noticed that McCain doesn't seem to get along with anyone?

[rurallib]

3. Wish I could recommend more than once

As a father of daughters, we have fought for our girls to be accepted for their character and not their looks forever.

[PBS Poll-435]

4. OP of the day

K/R

[faithfulcitizen]

7. I concur. I think (or maybe hope) this will backfire in a big way.

[NatBurner]

22. yep

agreed

[Eurobabe]

5. They would have had a better chance and more cred

with someone like Kay Bailey Hutchinson. This is a joke.

[27inCali]

142. even Liddy Dole

For Christ's sake!

[moez]

6. But you gotta admit

she is hot!

[iamthebandfanman]

17. Every redneck in the south just said

'she sure do have a perday mouth'

[onefreespiritedchick]

21. LOL! Unfortunately so true :) n/t

[greguganus]

29. "Rednecks" aren't just in the South. I'm so tired of this fucking broad brush. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

40. im from the south

so im allowed to make that stroke ;)

but youre right, they are everywhere...

infact southern ohio has more rebel flags and racist people than all of northern kentucky, thats for sure

[greguganus]

57. Sorry, I didn't know you were talking about what your kinfolk were saying about her. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

62. i dunno about kinfolk

but i do hafta deal with their ignorance on a daily basis.

if kentucky wasnt such a beautiful place , id be outa here

[rebel with a cause]

137. Kentucky is really getting a lot of mccain ads

played there aren't they? I have a couple of your stations and I see them almost every time I put them on. Geesh, it seems that Missouri, which I thought would be getting a lot, are not getting as many as you guys are. Maybe it is the channel. Here NBC is from Kentucky and CBS is from Missouri. Others are cable stations.

[iamthebandfanman]

169. yup

republicans are working hard here in kentucky at keeping it solid red...
between mcconnell and mccain , theres little room for any other commercial... lol..

[hisownpetard]

100. Umm... "broad brush"?

Hahahaaa.

[Capt. America]

138. Here in the North the rednecks are called "white trash" or "trailer trash".

[rebel with a cause]

195. I hate those terms because

while redneck to me refers to someones attitude, these terms refer to where one lives and their poverty. Also here in the north many of our rednecks (close minded racist) live in big brick houses.

At one time I lived in a trailer park and most of my neighbors were Mexican and African American. What do you call them?

At one time I lived in a upper class neighborhood and my neighbors were all white and it became so unsafe for my children in the end that we left not only the neighborhood but also the town and county. What do you call these people? Doctor, lawyer, and busnessman.

[quickesst]

128. I'm Arkansas born.....

..and I have no idea what a "perday mouth" is. I am assuming it has something to do with her mouth, and whatever it is, occurs only once a day. :shrug: Thanks.
quickesst

[rebel with a cause]

139. Man, you need some learning..

I am from Illinois and I understand him perfectly. Of course, I am multilingual. I speak Illinois, both north and south, kentucky and variations of other southern dialects; from New York City I understand both Manhattan and Brooklyn with a little Queens thrown in; I have a bit of a problem with some California dialects but speak valley girl; and western speak is a hit and miss with me. My specialty of course is white speak and that is found all across the country. :sarcasm:

[quickesst]

147. I understood what he was trying to say, but C'mon.....

purdy, purty, perty, purdee, purdie, even purdey, but perday? At least the others are spelled the way we pronounce it. ;-) Thanks.
quickesst

[rebel with a cause]

151. My problem is that I have a degree in sociology

and that is one thing they teach you, we get to make up your own words. I take advantage of that even though I have never worked in the field. So I don't understand your problem with him making up a different spelling. ;)

Honestly, I can read misspelled words because I can't spell. :p

[bdamomma]

37. that is what they want you to say, she is a distraction

a stupid choice for VP my opinion.

[moez]

38. I guess I forgot my sarcasm tag....

[TahitiNut]

68. Once upon a time it was called the "Jennifer Syndrome"

:shrug:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

149. So's Michelle Obama...

but Michelle has a brain.

[moez]

205. You're absolutely right - Michelle's got the brain!

....but, please. hot?

[ekwhite]

159. Actually, she isn't

She has too much of that Republican Stepford Wife vibe about her to be 'hot' in my book.

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[iamthebandfanman]

8. amen

i am but only a man, but even i see this pick as SUPER insulting..
i totally agree with what youre saying...

i had already thought to myself, how will i explain this to my grandma and mother who were so excited to have hillary running and standing up for women...
and what you just said was exactly what i was thinking...
you slap some blonde hair on Palin and you have the stereotypical underqualified ditzy pretty woman weaseling her way into the limelight simply based on her being pleasant to look at and willing to do and say whatever she needs to say to be a part of the team.

they are gonna try super hard to make her look like an independent or reformer... but im sorry, doing some logical things like selling air planes your state doesnt need or saying you dont need the money for a bridge after its already been taken away from you are hardly being independent...

[Bluerthanblue]

9. I don't think McCain sees women as equal to himself- and I don't

think he'd choose ANYONE who he would have to ...'compete' with.

He believes he is the 'be all end all' as far as "Commander in chief" goes. He doesn't "need" a Robin to his Batman, and because he HAD to choose, and choose 'something' that would play to the people, and not be a threat to his own ego- he chose her.

There is no other plausible explanation for this.


I'm pissed at Palen, who has the audacity to compare herself as the equivalent of Hillary, simply because they both have vaginas-

She's a fool, and a pawn, and she's smart enough to know what is happening, and willing to go along with it.

What a poor example for her daughters.

[hisownpetard]

101. She has a lot of nerve, trying to cash in on the hard work Hillary's done simply by dint of the fact

that she's a female. No other comparisons apply.

She's a Republican, gun-toting, animal skinning buddy to big oil and McOily, as well.

The thought of her possibly becoming Commander in Chief makes my blood run cold.

Hopefully, this same thought will drive Republicans to vote for Obama, come November.

[pipi_k]

112. I hope I'm not sounding like a drama queen when I say

in reply to:

The thought of her possibly becoming Commander in Chief makes my blood run cold.


That I feel the same way.


I'm really really scared.


I don't think I'd feel that way if he had chosen someone with more substance than looking like every red blooded man's fantasy of the secretary he'd love to bang on his desk after hours.

What...weren't there any other women with more qualifications who looked less like a model and more like Madeleine Albright or Margaret Thatcher or Eleanor Roosevelt or Indira Ghandi or Janet Reno?

[hisownpetard]

144. You're not being a drama queen, just a pragmatist. This woman could be one heartbeat away

from the Oval Office - and, with McCain's age and health being big factors, the odds are huge that this might
actually come to pass, if he were elected.

What the hell is he trying to do with our country, playing us like that?






Oh, and welcome to DU!

[rebel with a cause]

141. don't forget perhaps the most important thing.

she is also anti-female rights and anti pro-choice. (I don't use the pro-life term for these people because you cannot be pro-war and for the death penalty and be considered pro-life just because you oppose birth control)

[LonelyLRLiberal]

193. I agree with you - these people are not "pro-life" - once born, you are fair game for death.

They don't even see how inconsistent they are.

[jjr5]

108. I agree. n/t

[wandathewitch]

182. I feel sorry for McCain..

Most older women, like myself, know that a lot of older men don't like women to be smart because they know that they would feel dumb if they are in reality about women. McCain should have known that the younger generation is more mature and thinking. Thank you for putting into words my thoughts about this dilemma. We need to bring our young boys up to respect their women. Mrs Moose

[Danger Mouse]

10. I agree. It is loathsome.

[cliffordu]

11. K&R. Great post.

[Hamlette]

12. studies show the pretty person gets the job over more qualified, less attractive candidates

I read the study years ago when I was going into management and made it a point to not be swayed.

Sexism is an ugly thing and Palin is an example of it, not a showing that McCain is not sexist.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. women who dont threaten the status quo by trying to improve the lives of other women

also get ahead faster

[Chovexani]

90. I call them patriarchy collaborators

Quislings with ovaries who sell out their sisters for an extra crust of bread from The Man's table.

[jazzjunkysue]

157. Fabulous! I was trying to put my finger on it!!

[JuniperLea]

102. So true

And so sad.

[Blaukraut]

14. excellent post, Marrah!

This is an insult to all the women who have paid their dues and are better qualified than their younger, prettier counterparts. To add insult to injury, those women who feel pressured to get plastic surgery to compete in this market are ridiculed for it. It's a no win situation and it's sad.

[sfam]

15. In truth, unlike Kay Bailey Hutchinson, she does have a rather peppy smile...

That said, she seems talented and capable (if not very experienced), if you go for those politics that is. But there's lots of talented and capable people in the world - the vast majority of them have no business being anywhere near the VP slot. Palin certainly fits into that category - talented, somewhat capable for what she's done, but not very experienced - and should never have been anywhere near the VP slot.

But, um, she does have a rather peppy smile...

EDIT: And in truth, as a Democrat, I'm absolutely THRILLED that they didn't choose Hutchinson.

[crimsonblue]

69. I'm not

As an American, I realize there is a slim possibility that McCain could somehow win. And I think the likelihood of him dying in office would be great. If he was going to choose a woman, he should have chosen the most qualified one. This pick is a disgrace, and it is extremely wreckless. Our country would be truly fucked if Palin were president. I think we could still somehow manage if Hutchison were to be president. Know what I'm saying?

[Gregorian]

16. It's just plain irresponsible.

Proof that they care not one bit about America.

Thank you for pointing this out, however obvious.

[Duke Newcombe]

18. Not that we should go around judging people and their worth because of pulchritude...

...but she's (a) not qualified, and (b)you think she's "pretty"? :eyes:

[Kadie]

K&R

Your post says it all.

Thank you.

[Blue_Roses]

19. it's unnerving for sure...

but I guess we shouldn't be all that surprised since McCain has called his own wife a c***

I think he's just a dirty old man:puke:

[vaberella]

20. It's insulting to the democratic process and this election. I discussed this in an earlier post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6808980

[tnlefty]

23. Yep, and I feel totally insulted, too.

Maybe he knows women who are stupid enough to not recognize this blatant pandering. It's as if the campaign realized they needed more women voters and then just looked around and found a woman. A very unqualified one at that and it's not supposed to be insulting as hell? :mad:

[Arkansas Granny]

24. I'm also angry to realize how shallow they think women are that they

would vote for this glorified cheerleader with no experience just because she is a woman.

[vssmith]

125. Kay Bailey Hutchison was a cheerleader Palin played Basketball

but, then again, I don't like either one.

[Hepburn]

25. This is what I found and IMO...

...there is gonna be a lot more of it from us older gals ~~ I am Hillary's age. Cuz we who are what we are and who have stood our ground and made it, don't like bimbos like Sarah-poo who get by on their looks and not their abilities.



The older lady with the old white haired guy looks really pissed...wonder why?

[Love Bug]

26. Unfortunately, this is the reason why Hillary will never be president

In four years she'll be 64 and in eight she'll be 68. No way is she going to get the nom at that age. She may have cracked the glass ceiling that keeps women out, but there is another one right above it that keeps older women out. Sorry, but them's the facts.

[sfam]

30. Hmmm....I think we could probably come up with better reasons why Hillary lost, but...

that really isn't worth going through again, ya know? Her age at that point may very well be an issue. But my guess is if she still has the desire and is still healthy then, AND combines this with a first class campaign organization instead of what she had this time, she very well may be the nominee then.

[Marrah_G]

Very true. But I hope that whoever does finally crack the ceiling does so based upon:

Experience, intelligence, knowledge and wisdom. Not because of their looks.

There were plenty of republican women politicians out there who would have been far more qualified then this one.

[sfam]

39. I just gotta believe that Hutchinson really turned this down...

I just can't see that anyone would have gone to Palin prior to her. Yeah she has a kid going to Iraq and all, but seriously. I think McCain decided on polling that he had to choose a woman and the better women candidates probably declined.

[Lucky 13]

32. But wait...

Look at Margaret Thatcher. She was so popular despite the fact that she was an older female. And it was the 80's!! I'd like to think we've advanced the cause of women significantly since then.

I think many people believe that the first female President will be someone much more like Thatcher. Older, matronly, paid her dues, devastatingly intelligent, and experienced.

Or maybe I'm just being naive.

[Lucky 13]

27. I agree with you 100%, Marrah... and I don't get to say that often enough!

Many well more qualified Republican women were passed over in favor of the young, pretty Sarah Palin. She is not at all qualified and is wrong on SO MANY issues, most glaringly CHOICE.

It's a condescending move, in my opinion. He's expecting disenchanted Hillary supporters to switch over just because he chose a running mate with a vagina... and that's pretty much all she has. As if substance and experience are unimportant to them. As if they will blindly support ANY woman - even if they are bad for American women on all the issues.

I think if I were a Hillary supporter, I might be inclined to work even harder against this ticket. Why should this pretty lady with ZERO experience get a spot that belonged to someone like Hillary or even Libby Dole, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Susan Collins, or pretty much any other woman in Republican politics?

It's a dumb dumb dumb move. I hope it reveals to the fence sitters what horrifically poor judgement McCain has.

[yourguide]

28. Marrah, I know knocked heads during the primary...

I did not support Hillary for president, but I will say it had zero to do with her experience.

That said, I feel exactly the same as you.

This is completely infuriating, and as far as I'm concerned insulting to Hillary and her run as well.

[Marrah_G]

33. I'm not insulted for Hillary, I am insulted as a Woman.

The possibility that the first female president could be someone like this, chosen for these reasons, makes me want to vomit.

It is no giant leap for feminism..... it is a smack in the face, yet again, to those stepped on by the prom queen. Happens over and over and over.

(I am grateful the primary is behind us)

[yourguide]

36. As a woman who has had to fight a little bit harder as well

I agree.

As someone who voted for Clinton for Senate and knows her hard work and experience, personally I find it insulting that Palin would try and snatch her message down to the 18 million cracks when she stands for everything that Hillary stands against AND has a fraction of the experience that Hillary has.

Palin spoke as if HRC should just pass the baton for all women off to her perky miss alaska ass.

I understand where you are coming from, but those are the reasons *I* believe it's insulting to Hillary as well.

[dana_b]

48. you are so right

It is an insult to feminists and women who have worked to their positions. If this woman had a lot of legislative experience and had SOME experience on the federal level, it would ahve been fine. But it really does seem like she was chosen because she's a pretty, conservative hard ass.

[busymom]

31. I feel that too.

[Cha]

34. Yeah, but she's met her Waterloo...

hangin' out with john freakshow mccain?! Sooner or later you can only go so far on a facade.

[Phx_Dem]

35. Wow. I didn't even think of that.

No wonder Kay Bailey Hutch seemed pissed this morning. McNasty could have chosen a qualified conservative woman (Kay Bailey or Meg Whitman), but he choose the very inexperiened, young, pretty one instead. He chose the former beauty queen (who's husband is a big oil man).

It's mindboggling that he could be so stupid, until you recall that he was seriously considering Joe Lieberman whom his party hates.

John McBush clearly doesn't have any kind of judgement, let alone good judgement.

[Virginian]

155. Will the Oil man husband stay in Alaska for his job?

Does Cindi still hate Washington and will she stay in Arizona?

Are they going to be working in DC together without their spouses? Did McSame choose her because he was thinking with the wrong head?

[calimary]

41. Hey, it happened to me once - younger prettier and knew how to cross her legs

just so while wearing a short skirt and sitting across from the (male) program director.

It happened to Jane Pauley when the younger, prettier, and blonder Deborah Norville.

We used to call it "you got 'Norvilled.'"

[eshfemme]

42. McCain just said a big Fuck You to all of us

Knowing his attitude to women and seeing how the GOP normally treats women, it just fucking tells me that he thinks women are so fucking retarded that they'd vote for him just because he chose a woman.

Plus, to basically choose her just to get attention and not because of her eligibility, just emphasizes how much he views women as accessories.

[Withywindle]

43. Thank you.

I've known since childhood I was going to have to rely on my brains, not my looks. I've done OK, but good looks would have gotten me a lot farther with a lot less work and stress, and every plain or average-looking woman knows this anger well.

I am furious too. Furious because this goes unquestioned time and time again.

[dana_b]

44. there are definitely a lot more experienced Repub women and probably

smarter too. (Wonder if he talked to Condi?) Maybe she is smart .... but she is definitely infuriating. Her policies are out of touch with the majority of the country but who knows? People like pretty people. A hard, cold fact of life. Her comments are what infuriate me the most. I was not a huge Hillary supporter however Hillary is a million more times qualified to run this country than this person. I know, that was a big "duh!" statment. ;)

[ebdarcy]

45. I am right there with you.

I don't think this is going to play well at all with women who weren't already fundies. I don't think it will play well with "normal" GOP women, ones like Hutchinson, Dole, and Snowe.

This pick pisses me off.

[Breeze54]

46. You think Palin is pretty?!? WTF?!

I couldn't believe what I was seeing!! :P She looks like a dowdy old school Marm and that hair? :wtf:
Not to mention, would you want her running the free world with NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
and stressed out with a new, premature baby with issues and a son in Afghanistan or Iraq all
at the same time? No Way in Hell!

[chatnoir]

76. Agree completely. She reminds me of Lynne Spears.

[hisownpetard]

103. Reminds me of Tina Fey!

[LiberalLovinLug]

199. Good one

Tina Fey without the sparkle and smarts.

[krabigirl]

107. Seriously! I can't believe she is 44 - she looks much older. And overly made up, and no not pretty.

[Alcibiades]

153. Some folks like dowdy old school marms

I like the ones who seem dowdy and repressed but are real goers, wink wink, nudge nudge.

The other glasses work better for me, though.

She's pretty. People will talk about that simply because there's nothing else to say about her--and they call Obama an empty suit!

[Vektor]

176. Ah, finally - someone says it!

I don't really care WHAT Palin looks like, her politics are the issue here, but with all the buzz going around about how "attractive" she is, I am kind of baffled. I think she is an excruciatingly average looking woman. Not hideous, nor incredibly striking.

Just very average, like someone you might see walking down the street anywhere, in "Anytown, USA."

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. She's just regular looking.

[Spazito]

47. Excellent OP!

Recommended.

[Guava Jelly]

49. Here here!

:applause: I agree with you a brazillian %

[RedLetterRev]

51. It's hard to quantify what I feel right now

As a gay man who knows what it feels like to be made out to be something less than human, I'm pissed that McKook would pick a trophy, because it demeans everyone's struggles for equality, and the need to be adjudged on the quality of one's work and one's own character. Sarah's record points to neither. I'm also not surprised and I am at once saddened; look at who he left his first wife for. There's a track record there. Looks, money and someone who'd feed his own personal advancement. Just sayin'.

As a Democrat, I'm relieved, in a guilty sort of way. He couldn't have given us an easier target and he couldn't have made a more desperate choice. I feel a little sorry for Cindy because you know what's going through her mind, too. Lucky for her that it's doubtful that McHasbeen can even get it up any more. But given his lack of fidelity, you know he'd hit it if he still could. History is a pretty good indicator of the future, if one but pays attention.

Yeah, I'll admit to a bit of smugness on behalf of Mittens, Pawlenty (Fall N. Bridges, I love that), and Arkansas' own Jubilation T Cornpone to be passed over -- their experience (and dirtiness) passed over for a trophy (whose lack of experience is made up for by a surprising amount of dirtiness in such a short amount of time -- filth and corruption, thy name is Republican). Part of me wants so badly to say they had it coming for their own nastiness. But I won't. Not just yet, anyway.

Such a desperate move can only be a visible sign of the impending spectacular implosion of what's left of the party of greed, corruption, graft, war, hatred, bloodshed, violence, nastiness, bigotry, sexism, false prudery, family values that plays out in hookers' bedrooms and men's room stalls, filling Jesus' mouth with volumes He never once said, and all-out, full-tilt idiocy.

To paraphrase Bette Davis: One should never say bad things about the dead. One should only say good.

The Republican Party is dead.

Good.

[glitch]

150. :) Nicely put. nt

[Lifelong Protester]

158. great points n/t

[SeaLyons]

52. I think I remember hearing it reported (or maybe

I heard it right from McCain) that what he wanted in a VP was someone to ask him how he's feeling. Then he laughed. Well, looks like that's what he picked.

Don't ask me for links - I just know I remember that quote from him.

[madaboutharry]

53. I agree with everything you

say here.

[bain_sidhe]

54. My husband's first words: Oh, look, it's a trophy VP...

that's exactly it. McCain somehow seems to think the American people should throw over the older, more experienced woman (or at least, her clear choice) for a pretty young "arm candy" vice presidential nominee.

[Raineyb]

74. I guess I shouldn't be surprised

He likes himself a trophy wife why not a trophy VP?

:puke:

McDolt looks more pathetic every day.

Regards

[Capt. America]

140. Trophy VP...brilliant! I am going to use that.

[SeaLyons]

55. Yup, McCain's pick is a real slap in the face

to all hard working, qualified women. He picked the perky cute candidate. He's an idiot.

:hug:

[awoke_in_2003]

117. Qualifications

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[yardwork]

56. I am angry too. I'm so angry it's making me sick.

McCain's choice of an unqualified woman as VP is a slap in the face to the entire country, as another DUer said here.

It's the most condescending, pandering, thoughtless, irresponsible thing I've heard in a long time.

[thoughtcrime1984]

58. You are right, she was picked as a token rather than deserving the position. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

59. Great post!

:thumbsup:

[SidneyCarton]

60. Ah, but time is the great equalizer, even now.

Hair turns grey, breasts droop, faces sag and become lined and curves fall prey to gravity as well. Yes there is plastic surgery, masochistic exercise regimens and any number of other products to halt the march of time, but in the end it is vain. Mrs. Palin's beauty will eventually fade, as all physical beauty does. When that happens, we will see the real person. Will she still be appealing and enjoyable as company (like California Peggy) or will she be a Norma Desmond, a faded and ruined soul, whose only beauty was external and when its gone it reveals an empty, vile and wretched soul without any redeeming qualities.

Lest I be condemned for being too cruel here, I do not know Governor Palin all that well, she may well be a fine person, good mother, etc., etc. All of this will show through despite the looks. My only point here is that looks fade, and those who base their lives on them face a ticking clock that will inevitably discard them for the next pretty little thing.

[wandathewitch]

186. Sidney, not in this house....

My husband, 77 years young, thinks I am very beautiful. He tells me that, at least once a day. I'm 75 and he thinks I look better now than when he married me at 18. Older women can look nice. It is love that makes you beautiful. I know you didn't mean what you said about older women, but I just needed to tell you how it is here in our home. McCain just isn't mature and we need to stop him from having power. I hope our Congress will step up and do what is needed with the new president. It they don't, then it doesn't matter who is our commander in chief. Mrs. Moose

[liberaldem4ever]

61. I'm really angry too

What an insult to the dedicated older women who do the hard work for so many years when they lose their place in line to the women with good looks, who do no work and walk to the front of the line, spitting their tongues back at the others.

It's a foul thing to do even for the Rethugs. Nasty and foul.

[Chloroplast]

63. Not to be rude but that's not an entirely fair assessment.

People assume that because you're 'cute' you got to your station in life because of your looks and that's not always the case. The most hurtful comments are when fellow women tell you that you were chosen for a particular assignment because of your looks and not your intelligence. Trust me, it's an insult to know that you're being judged by your exterior when your mind is what matters.

As for Sarah Palin, chances are that her looks have gotten her far in the GOP but if she's the best they have, I'll gladly pass. In our Party, we have women like Clinton, Obama and Biden that are beautiful, accomplished and strong. I'd take their accomplishments (and beauty) over Sarah's empty merits any day of the week.

[Veruca Salt]

64. K&R!

[lukasahero]

65. Bravo

Best post on the subject yet! There may be some women who think this is just ducky but I believe McCain just royally pissed off a huge portion of the female population.

[Kool Kitty]

67. You speak the truth.

:applause: Bravo. K and Rec'd.

[Sensitivity]

70. ABSOLUTELY!!! Just look at the women who surround McCain generally -- as w ell a many other rich

and powerful men.

[Sensitivity]

71. ABSOLUTELY!!! Just look at the women who surround McCain generally -- as w ell a many other rich

and powerful men.

[demodonkey]

72. I am angry because she has so little experience. She could barely have run for Congress in my state

after nothing more than serving as mayor of a village of 6000 people. And prior to 2006 that was the highest elected office she ever held!

OMFG.

[Stop Cornyn]

75. Am I the only one who doesn't find Palin particularly attractive? People keep saying how pretty she

is, and I just don't see it.

[LibDemAlways]

83. I think she looks rather ordinary.

I'm not mad at all. I think he made a huge blunder, and I'm grinning from ear to ear.

[Bucky]

89. She's adequately attractive. Party of beauty is in the carriage.

How she conducts herself physically, the tone of her voice, how she works her eyes, how she stands, is she demure, does she project submissive or sultry body language, the way she puckers he lips as she forms certain words, the turn of her smile, the supple gait in her stride, the glimmer of flirtation in her eyes, the...

I'm sorry. What was the topic again?

[glitch]

152. That is true for men as well.

Just saying, it's all about attitude.

[Vektor]

177. 100% average. I don't get all the hype either.

:shrug: She's just an average looking person.

[chatnoir]

77. I am so angry I feel sick

It's insulting to women everywhere. Disgusting, cynical and pandering.

:kick:

[billyoc]

78. Sarah Palin and I will both get no closer to the White House than the group tour.

But I can see your point. :hi:

[George II]

79. I am too, but couldn't you think up a better title for your post, at least HINTING what it's about?

[DrZeeLit]

80. Yeah. Wasn't it McDim who made the Reno/Chelsea "ugly" joke? What a special guy.

This is a slap.
Not just because she's unqualified and "cute"...but because he honestly believes that any woman will make all the women vote for him.
He and his ilk always think they know best for us.

(@$$^$^###!!*&)

Okay... I'm all better now.

[Waiting For Everyman]

81. Me too. It's a total insult to those who are qualified.

[skygazer]

82. It is also insulting that they think women will vote for her simply because she's a woman

That irritated me when people accused Hillary's backers of only backing her because she was a woman and it irritates me now. It's just another way of calling women dumb and shallow.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

84. Excellent point.

Same thing happens to men a lot too.

[Straight Shooter]

88. Your point is well-taken.

What if Dennis Kucinich had the good fortune to look like JFK? It would be a whole new game in town.

Politics seems to reduce social standards to the lowest common denominator.

[northernlights]

85. Thank you, Marrah_G

from a middle-aged woman with an iq of 155, replaced by pretty 20-somethings with no experience or understanding of the business, but who do exactly as told no matter how illegal, immoral or long-term self-defeating it is.

Who was tossed on the trash-heap by her own father at 16, when he apologized for the first and last time in his life because it was his "fault your face is so ugly. Nobody's gonna marry you."

Who was tossed onto the corporate the trash-heap when she turned 50.

And is re-inventing herself yet again at 55, hoping that in a field with a worldwide shortage, somebody will hire her...

I don't care how "chirpy" little miss criminal Palin may be. She is dead-wrong on all the issues and doesn't have the economic or foreign policy understanding required for the job of veep, never mind prez should McSame kick off.

[Straight Shooter]

86. Her resume is pretty thin, that's for sure.

Current Office: Governor
Office Seeking: Vice President
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Last Elected: 11/07/2006
Next Election: 2010
From vote-smart.org http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=27200
Party: Republican
Background Information
Gender: Female
Family: Husband, Todd
5 Children: Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig.
Birth Date: 02/11/1964
Birthplace: Sandpoint, ID
Home City: Wasilla, AK
Religion: (vote-smart doesn't note a religion)

Education:
BA, Communications/Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987.

Professional Experience:
Media
Utilities.

Political Experience:
Governor, Alaska, 2006-present
Former President, Alaska Conference of Mayors
Former Mayor/Manager, Wasilla City
Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council.

Organizations:
Member, Alaska Miners Association
Member, Alaska Outdoor Council
Member, Alaska Resource Development Council
Member, Chambers of Commerce (Various)
Member, Iditarod Parent-Teacher Association
Member, National Rifle Association
Member, Valley Hospital Association Board
Coach/Hockey Team Manager, Valley Youth Sports
Member, Youth Court Steering Committee
Former Member, American Management Association
Former Member, Salvation Army Board.

Caucuses/Non-Legislative Committees:
Chairman, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
Former Member, Alaska Municipal League Board
Chair, Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission
Vice Chair, National Governors Association Natural Resources Committee.

Five children, yippee, you can tell she's really concerned about conserving the Earth's resources :eyes:

On the plus side, she's extremely popular in Alaska and seems to "work well with others." MSNBC has a photo slide show which highlights her *cough* illustrious career in politics.

My first thought when she was announced is, wouldn't it be a frickin' cryin' shame if our first woman president were a Republican. And you know it could happen within a couple years if McSame manages to weasel his way into the White House. Palin is a strategically devious choice.

[Egnever]

87. You should be

if he felt he had to chose a woman. There are quite a few way more qualified than this one.

[Chovexani]

91. Marrah you speak some truth.

As my aunt would say, this some bullshit right here.

I'm incensed and not surprised, only shocked by the naked transparency of it. We really have not come any farther than the "good ole days".

[Kitty Herder]

92. I'm glad somebody said it. Thank you.

I just hope to God it backfires on him.

I think they're trying to sex up the campaign, add a little pizazz.

But gramps isn't in the pink of health and his running mate has to be able to run the country. I hope people don't let Palin's looks blind them to her complete lack of qualifications for the job. This isn't a popularity contest. This is about deciding who will be commander in chief over the largest military, most danger military force in the history of the planet. The past eight years have shown what happens when that responsibility is given to those who aren't capable of shouldering it.

[InvisibleTouch]

93. I'm angry because she's reprehensible.

I've loathed her policies for some time now. Not sure now whether I'm more for Obama or against McCain/Palin. I'm trying to keep in mind that what you oppose, you strengthen, and it's more effective to be in support of the positive than in opposition to evil. But right at this moment, it's hard to be anything but outraged. Did McCain think women would vote for him if he put a woman on his ticket, even this woman? What an insult to all of us.

[Riverman]

94. An Older Man Who Agrees With All Women who have been

passed over, worked harder and longer, paid the dues and paid less. You should be Damned Angry and so am I. I am furious too that anyone would buy this crap. It only shows how cynical and vicious these republicans, too many democrats and others are that anyone would think that any woman would fall for this BS, again, and again and again. Republicans know that there is some large minority of the population that they can keep feeding this horse manure to and they eat it up, and thus win elections. How absolutely disprespectful these repugnacans are of women that they think they can serve up someone who as you say could have her pretty little fingers on the controls of the biggest military machine on the planet. Wouldn't Putin and the Chinese just love that senario. McSame is so stupid, so arrogant and self-absorbed (how could he not be with his upbringing and pampering) that if somehow the american voters put him in office, he will have the biggest bulls-eye on him, just so Miss Cutsey Pie ascends to the Presidency of the United States of America. How juvinile of McShame? Not to mention dangerous. Talk about threatening national security and world stability! McCain is beyond scary, worse than Bush.

To counter this nonsense, Obama should announce today that when he is elected he will appoint Hilary as his Secretary of State. He should every week announce a new cabinet member up to the election, appoint qualified, experienced senior people to show the seriousness of taking over the management of the United States government, and how his team will address the terrible problems that the Bush dumb assess are leaving for the next administration to clean up. How about Carolyn Kennedy as the the Attorney General and charge her with investigating and prosecuting the crimminals from the Bush administration, or Claire McCaskill, a former prosecuter in Missouri. I like her a lot - there is a leader with gumption!

[childslibrarian]

120. Great idea

Thanks for the post

[faithfulcitizen]

95. kick

[penndragon69]

96. Another Trophy wife for John boy.

I'm not surprised about his pick. With his history of womanizing and chasing every pretty skirt that passes by,
he was just looking for a plaything for the road.

Poor Cindy...she will now get the same treatment McPricks first wife got.

But don't worry cindy..john boy won't divorace you because he loves all your money
more than he loves you.

[applegrove]

97. I agree her looks have played into her celebrity. I agree there were many

women more qualified than her in the GOP. I hope others see this aswell.

[Breeze54]

109. Her "celebrity? She was mayor of a town of 9,000... not exactly a celebrity.

:eyes:

[applegrove]

111. I've seen mention of her over the last few months. She was on the cover

of vogue. Nothing important but she was becoming a celebrity. Because she is such an attractive person. Which is why McCain went for her. She has charisma and perhaps they felt the only way they could go up against Obama's charisma was to have someone of their own.

[JuniperLea]

99. Janis Ian said it so well in one of my all time favorite songs...

I learned the truth at seventeen,
That love was meant for beauty queens.
In high school, girls with clear-skin smiles,
Who married young and then retired.

The valentines I never knew.
The Friday night charades of youth,
Were spent on one more beautiful.
At seventeen I learned the truth.

And those of us with ravaged faces,
Lacking in the social graces,
Desperately remained at home,
Inventing lovers on the phone.
Who called to say come dance with me.
And murmured vague obscenities.
It isn't all it seems,
At seventeen.

A brown-eyed girl in hand-me-downs.
Whose name I never could pronounce,
Said, "Pity, please, the ones who serve,
They only get what they deserve."

And the rich-relationed, hometown queen,
Marries into what she needs.
With a guarantee of company,
And haven for the elderly.

Remember those who win the game,
Lose the love they sought to gain.
In debentures of quality,
And dubious integrity.
The small-town eyes will gape at you,
In dull surprise, when payment due,
Exceeds accounts received.

At seventeen

To those of us who knew the pain,
Of valentines that never came.
And those whose names were never called,
When choosing sides for basketball.

It was long ago and far away,
The world was younger than today.
And dreams were all they gave for free,
To ugly-duckling girls like me.

We all play the game and when we dare,
To cheat ourselves at solitaire.
Inventing lovers on the phone,
Repenting other lives unknown,
That call and say, come dance with me,
An' murmur vague obscenities,
At ugly girls like me,
At seventeen.

[BrklynLiberal]

119. Superb song!!!!

[BrklynLiberal]

121. Another song that popped into my mind..by Dory Previn

guess it would be for the first Mrs. McSame

Beware Of young girls

Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands

Beware
Of young girls
Too often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave

She was my friend
My friend
My friend
She was invited to my house
Oh yes
She was
And though she knew
My love was true
And
No ordinary thing
She admired
My wedding ring
She admired
My wedding ring

She was my friend
My friend
My friend
She sent us little silver gifts
Oh yes
She did
Oh what a rare
And happy pair
She
Inevitably said
As she glanced
At my unmade bed
She admired
My unmade bed
My bed

Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands
Beware
Of young girls
To often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave


She was my friend
My friend
My friend
I thought her motives were sincere
Oh yes
I did
Ah but this lass
It came to pass
Had
A dark and different plan
She admired
My own sweet man
She admired
My own sweet man

We were friends
Oh yes
We were
And she just took him from my life
Oh yes
She did
So young and vain
She brought me pain
But
I’m wise enough to say
She will leave him
One thoughtless day
She’ll just leave him
And go away
Oh yes

Beware
Of young girls
Who come to the door
Wistful and pale
Of twenty and four
Delivering daisies
With delicate hands

Beware
Of young girls
To often they crave
To cry
At a wedding
And dance
On a grave

Beware of young girls
Beware of young girls
Beware

[krabigirl]

106. Yes, it does show that the only way to succeed is to basically just be a man in a dress.

But she isn't pretty! Hillary is gorgeous. OK, besides the point, but she isn't. The reason she was picked is because of her ties to Big Oil, IMO.

[lumberjack_jeff]

110. Americans are completely superficial. n/t

[rhett o rick]

113. It is a perfect example of the contempt the republicans have for us all.

Especially women. They think that the women of America and especially those that supported Sen Clinton, will fall for this terrible ruse. They also think we are all stupid to overlook the fact that they have total disregard for the rule of law. They don't follow the laws, and don't respond to subpoenas. Their choice of someone under investigation shows their arrogance.

[cyberpj]

114. Yep. We're interchangeable and replaceable. Women everywhere should be angry. Not just us. nt

[Naturyl]

115. You speak the truth.

This world is very superficial.

But McSame and Palin-Quayle haven't won yet. We have a good team and an excellent chance.

[caseymoz]

116. You make a very good point, but think about this:

It's pretty much the same with guys and looks. Physical beauty gives anybody an advantage.

But there's a flip side to it: beauty can both limit a person and isolate them. If you wonder why beautiful blond women have a reputation for being "ditsy," it's because nobody tells them important things. Other women are envious, and isolate them and withhold important information on all subjects, and men want them for their bodies and will tell them enough to manipulate. You can have a normal IQ, but still be kept very naive.

It's something that every beautiful woman suffers with, from Raquel Welch to Marilyn Monroe, they can't reach the point where they are taken seriously.

The glass ceiling is one thing. There's also the glass box.

[childslibrarian]

118. You go sister

You said it all! I was just at this moment trying to explain to my husband and son why I am so angry about this, but you explained it all. Thank you.

[BrklynLiberal]

122. K & R, and bookmarked...

[JTG of the PRB]

123. K & R. You are 100% right.

This selection is not a tribute to women working hard in leadership positions in our country, but an insult - an insult to every last one of them.

I'm happy that McCain has made this so much easier for this now, but I'm angry because he has shown so little respect for every woman in this country with this half-assed, incomprehensible selection. McCain is a jackass now, and soon he'll be able to go back to being a jackass in the Senate.

[Vattel]

124. posts like this

are why I always read marrah g's posts. Dead on.

[NoFederales]

126. She's no "catch", she's got that scary, fundy-thing going--that LOOK. I cannot

explain it very well, but it's the antithesis of what I would look for in a woman. First impressions are too subjective, my first reaction was "oh, noes!, this can't be right".

A young, ignorant, dipshit fundy, a heartbeat away from a kicked-off McCain should be a nightmare scenario for the R's. It will be interesting to see how the media spins this to rally the R's cause.

NoFederales

[renie408]

127. Ya goddam skippy. n/t

[me b zola]

130. Now *this* is a unity thread!

If I could I would recommend a hundred times, not just for your excellent OP, but for the bulk of excellent replies to your OP.

The only thing that I can add that hasn't yet been said in this thread is that this is classic repuke. They are spitting on affirmative action by playing into their own talking point that jobs for minorities (that of course includes women) will go to the less qualified just to fill a quota. Of course the grey-matter-challenged republicans will never allow their minds to consider the fact that the women that Palin spoke about in her silly speech actually are accomplished women whom have worked for their status, and that there are so many infinitely more qualified women that McMisogynist could have chosen.

I'm furious as well.

[Divine Discontent]

131. well, it IS the GOP, so it's kinda hard to find one 'qualified' to be pres, when they have so few

MEN who would qualify either! but, seriously, after seeing why you're so mad - I agree with your sentiments - he picked the hot mom, literally, this mccain fella? he's a complete DOOFUS! this proves it...


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[alarimer]

132. There are certainly more qualified Republican women he could have chosen.

Not that I would like them either. But Palin is complete winger. This pick was designed to bring those reluctant wingers back into the fold. BUT, it will piss off of moderate independents (I hope, I hope) if they read up on here. Having said that, though, this is a risky pick too because it might piss off those remaining winger Neanderthals who think a woman should be home taking care of the kids. I am thinking (hoping maybe) that a lot of those people just stay home.

I do agree with your take on it though.

[glitch]

154. I wonder if this is a sign that they know they've already lost any chance of winning moderates?

They hoped to paint Obama as too extreme for moderates, that they would now pander so FULLY to fundies says they've pretty much given up hope on that working, and thus attracting moderates and independents.

And we know fundies can't carry them over the line, the very best they can do is provide an implausible cover for another stolen election.

So, are they throwing the election? Are they acknowledging they can never win now and tossing McCain overboard, with a sop to the nutters in case they need them for whatever their next move is? We do know their longterm goal is dismantling democracy, how does this move fit with that?

One thing for sure, they've got everybody guessing with this bizarre move.

[CitizenPatriot]

133. just a note

it's not actually beauty -- they only give things to the empty ones, who can be managed and bought.

they HATE the women with brains and a mouth.

this really isn't about beauty, it's about being a silent, good blow up doll of a partner.

yes, they like a certain amount of bland prettiness on their arm in a stepford way. but wild beauty? self-contained, self-owned sexuality? You're never going to see that allowed.

the republican party gave us britney, jessica simpson, etc -- the bland, empty, BRANDED and packaged prettiness.

It makes us all sick.

all of my girfriends are enraged right now -- and I have some super gorgeous friends, who are smart and strong as hell. they like empty women -- not real women. and we all feel this and it is very depressing.

and they thought Obama was pissing women off? Get a clue.

I've never heard so many women pissed at the same time.

thanks for treating us like objects, you vile grotesque person.

[Quixote1818]

135. K and R nt

[Jacobin]

136. I'm a man and I agree with you 100%

I didn't care for Margaret Thatcher's politics. But no one can claim that she wasn't qualified for the job and she did a great job for those whose interests she represents.

There are any number of women who would have been more than qualified for the VP pick and this is all just silly creationist, evangelical, fundamentalist bullshit, more than the "pretty factor" IMHO

[backscatter712]

143. Very true. McCain's choice of Palin is very sexist.

It had very little to do with her qualifications, and a lot to do with her gender, and a very cynical attempt to throw an equal-opportunity dog & pony show, without pissing of the fundie base.

[antisoros]

145. "NAUGHTY LIBRARIAN VIBE" From Palin

Palin throws her looks out there. See her with Craig Ferguson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh-lW2opLyQ&feature=related

[farmboxer]

146. She believes that people used to ride dinosaurs with saddles

on them! She believes in talking snakes! She wants to have creationism taught in our schools!

Yes, she is a right wing Christian Fundie!

[JohnnyLib2]

148. You are the voice of many......................

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MaraJade]

156. Pardon me. . .

But this is a STUPID post. Who CARES how she looks. What are the issues involved!

Palin is against the things that we stand for.

WHO THE HELL CARES AT ALL HOW SHE LOOKS!!!!???

I don't give a rat's ass how Palin looks. She stands for issues I don't agree with.

I wouldn't care if she looked like Aphrodite or the Medusa. Her ISSUES STINK!!

What's wrong with you people!!

This is not a High School! Grow UP!

[ekwhite]

160. Her ideas and ideology are ugly

That's what matters here. Thanks for reminding us.

[BanTheGOP]

161. I agree

Yes, I agree. She looks cool as a female.

But she would look much cooler in LOCKUP where she belongs for her ethics violations.

Her brother in law should go to jail as well.

The entire republican party should be investigate for crimes against humanity as well.

[ProudBlue08]

162. Amen t to that!!

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Lucky Luciano]

163. Do not forget that it is also proven that men

also have a huge edge when they are good looking. Who do you picture being a rich successful investment banker? A tall GQ guy in a sharp suit or a George Costanza?



Of course, I think the reason that good looking men have such an advantage and get hired by other men is because men want to be friends with and/or close to good looking men because they think that good looking women will be nearby in droves.

[sammythecat]

164. I understand your anger.

This choice is so clearly cynical that it's an insult to all voters, women especially.

They think we're all such saps that we'll never see through this. Although there is a distressingly large number of ignorant dumbasses in this country, I don't think enough of them can be persuaded this time around to vote against their own self interests yet again. I hope not anyway. The fact that this race is even a contest is disturbing.

[wandathewitch]

184. Sammythecat, thank you

Your post said it for me. It is an insult to all of us to think that we won't see through this. I wonder what they are pulling now. Someone must be advising this man or is he just going off on his ego ? I am 75, but I don't think my mind is that far gone. Thand again, Mrs Moose

[Tresalisa]

165. I'm going to use my 500th post to say

I agree with you! :applause: GOBAMA!

[KillCapitalism]

166. From this guy's point of view:

I honestly do not find her attractive whatsoever...physically, or otherwise.

Being a corrupt republican is even more of a deal breaker. I find her viewpoints more repulsive than anything which in turn probably makes her less physically attractive to me. Does that make any sense?

[TheKentuckian]

168. She's trophy VP

but she was also selected because she's very Reich Wing.

The Republicans need a long sojourn in the wilderness, their next generation is a least as batshit as the current one-Palin, Jindal, Jeb, etc.

McCain is so out of touch that he thinks Strom in a skirt is change. I think this will hurt him with every one left of the nutbar.

[THale2]

167. Oh my gosh I felt the same way

it was like a wave of anger came over me...she criticize Hillary and now is poised to reap the fruits of her labor just for looks why not Kay B Hutchison...

[Wetzelbill]

171. Olympia Snowe, that would have been a helluva pick

She's too smart to hang with McCain though. That and Lindsey Graham might get jealous.

[judasdisney]

172. You're angry? Try being an ugly male. You'll never register on the food chain at all.

[feemee]

173. Right on

That is exactly how it is for a black person too. It will be a true miracle if Obama wins

[1Hippiechick]

175. Looks work both ways. Attractive business women have to work a lot harder to be taken seriously and

not seen as an airhead and a sex object. It's gotten better over the years,though. However, there are some women with no substance who depend on their looks to get them through life. So, those attractive business women have to fight that stereotype in order to be taken seriously and to succeed.

Not defending Palin, just making a statement about beauty being a 2-edged sword.

[Political Heretic]

178. Who in their right mind thinks this woman is pretty.

I'm just saying.

[mucifer]

181. devil's advocate here: Obama is only 3 years older than her. He's not bad looking.

This is America. American's don't always go for the best and the brightest. While Obama is amazing, if he was ugly and old I don't know if he'd have made it so far so fast.

[liberal N proud]

183. Typical Republicon bullshit

This is an example of what they think of both women and the electoral process.

It is a disgrace to those who have served and are much more qualified to hold a national office.

It appalls me that the party who has treated women as second class citizens is the one that put a woman on the ticket. That does not say that I am not happy with the selection we as Democrats made in Obama. We all know that Palin is nothing more than a Rovian stunt.

[Mike Nelson]

188. She has an ugly mind and an ageing look

And obviously, no back-up plan of worth.

[femrap]

194. As the saying goes:

'I'd rather be pretty than smart. Men see better than they think.'

A woman can't help if she is born as a cultural standard of 'pretty.' One really has no say as to how she/he looks.

I've never seen the 'dumb pretty woman' advanced over other women. I just see not so qualified white males advanced over everyone.

I've witnessed absolute fear in white males eyes when a woman is BOTH intelligent and pretty. Scares most of them to death....Did you read that? I said MOST males, not all.

Sexism is the last ISM to conquer.

[mehrrh]

196. furious

You make a very valid point - I hope that any women who mistakenly think that falling for this cynical (and sexist) trick by McCain will benefit them take a moment and re-think their position.
This is another case of quality being overshadowed by the shallow.
McCain is just seeking a fresher beauty queen: His first wife was abandoned when she lost her beauty; Cindy is now aging and he has called her a c... and a trollop (in public); so he is ready for a younger and sexier model. He validates the claims against him of being a womanizer.

[kestrel91316]

197. K&R. I am beyond furious, if that's possible. Just when you think

the Republicans can't insult women any more, here they go.

Sisters, we have just been spit upon.

[LiberalLovinLug]

200. Rove & Cheney are happy for this pick

Looking beyond the Dana Perino effect. That is that red-blooded straight males tend to forgive 'mistakes' made by pretty women, this plays perfectly into Cheney's World Domination plans.

McSame will have an unfortunate, but convenient, turn for the worse a year into his presidency. Palen will take over. The neo-conmen now have an even more pliable puppet to use than Dubya! They don't want some cranky set-in-his-ways old pro to deal with who may have his own ideas. She's perfect.

[ThatsMyBarack]

204. Well THAT'S way we need CHANGE, folk!

Right freakin' NOW!!! :patriot:

[Meshuga]

206. Marrah, you should send this as a letter to the different news organizations

They don't seem to read the sentiments of people like you. They prefer the views of the PUMAs as if the PUMAs were a legitimate Hillary group.