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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:07 AM
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Any link to why RWWs think Kerry's not released records? (HELP!)
Kerry & US Navy say all is released, cept some med records Kerry let reporters see but not take copies of, same as bush.

If anyone has a link handy to that, I'd love; I'm looking for that now.

But what I give up on is trying to find a link that says it's Kerry's JOURNAL that he refuses to release and the rightwingnuttery are calling that his "records he won't release".

TIA! and back to googling I go...

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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:19 AM
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1. Tell whomever wants it to Fuck Off.
Obviously they are idiot partisans who refuse to take into consideration that the MONKEY hasn't released his owm records that show his as was AWOL.

Don't let them control the argument. Kerry has released everything. Bush is hiding his everything.

FUCKING DUH!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:21 AM
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2. Nope but thanks
It's not partisan anyone, it's a report I need to do, so I need the links. Thanks anyways.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:34 AM
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7. Kerry can't release his diaries because of an exclusivity clause
in the contract he made with his biographer. If you google his biography"A Call To Service"(I think that's the title) You might find that news story. It wasn't too long ago the media was mentioning that fact.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:42 AM
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10. This is another item, this biography
that the RWers are all on about.

They are saying that there's stuff in there that will really embarrass Kerry and that's why it's no longer available, (even though you can buy in on Amazon.com, they haven't seemed to notice) because Kerry took it out of circulation and had all the copies pulled. They consider this to be definite proof that he is hiding something and that this copyright thing is just a lame excuse.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:11 AM
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12. Too bad for them!
It isn't OFFICIAL RECORDS so he can use them as toilet paper if he wants to.

Gawd I detest rightwingnuts.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:13 AM
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13. This is the crap
that was feed to them by Rear Admiral Hoffman, the fellow who rounded up all the guys who spoke in the SBV ad.

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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:29 AM
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14. It's Kerry's 1971 book, "The New Soldier"
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 08:31 AM by RatTerrier
It's a book written by VVAW, the anti-Vietnam War group founded by Kerry.

Kerry wrote part of it, and it looks like it's basically his Winter Soldier testimony before the Senate. Nothing to be ashamed of, really.

Most of the book consists of essays from his fellow disillusioned soldiers.

There's a few RW blogs that are trying to spread it around, seeing it as something that will bring Kerry down. I don't see it that way. I've read part of it so far, and it looks pretty good.

Here are the direct links to the book (PDF format). You can easily download the files to your hard drive:


Introduction:

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf


Body:

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf


Epilogue:

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf


Judging from the comments here, it looks like people really don't find the book objectionable:

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/041998.html
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:31 AM
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15. Cool
Someone should send this to some of the SBVs. They were told that Kerry has pulled all the books off the market.

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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:35 AM
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17. The book was out of print for many years
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 08:37 AM by RatTerrier
The wingnuts are claiming Kerry refuses to allow it's re-release.

I don't know the real story, and I don't even know if Kerry owns the rights to it fully. My theory is that it's a 33 year-old book that is relatively irrelevant, except for a bunch of freepers who live in the past and wrap themselves in the flag during fits of mock patriotism.

The only places I see linking to these files are RW blogs, who want it released. Unfortunately, there's nothing really incriminating there.

I'm sure the Swifties are behind putting this thing on the web.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:40 AM
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20. Actually it is Rear Admiral Roy F Hoffman
who is behind this particular smear.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:21 AM
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3. they don't THINK that, they WANT to think that
it's very simple. if these dumb assholes cared this much, they would care about knowing about bush's service and what he was doing during that time.

we all for a FACT what kerry was doing. but now they are debating whether kerry bleed enough and other shit .

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:25 AM
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4. Again, thanks anyways
I need links for a report.

It has NOTHING to do with any partisanship.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:27 AM
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5. These are his diaries, his private journals.
They are personal recollections that will add nothing to the "debate." These will not and should not be released.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:29 AM
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6. There is some form
Sorry, I don't know the number, that you fill out to allow the release of your military records.

Apparently Bush did finally file this form but Kerry has not. So the SBVs and RRWs, are saying that this shows Kerry is hiding something. Despite the fact that most of W's records can't be found or were destroyed, doesn't seem to matter to them. At least he signed the form.

(I got this from the horses's mouth)

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:38 AM
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8. form 180. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:40 AM
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9. This might be a start..
Some of the mystery surrounding exactly what happened on the Bay Hap River in March 1969 could be resolved by the full release of all relevant records and personal diaries. Much information is available from the Web sites of the Kerry campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and the Navy archives. But both the Kerry and anti-Kerry camps continue to deny or ignore requests for other relevant documents, including Kerry's personal reminiscences (shared only with biographer Brinkley), the boat log of PCF-94 compiled by Medeiros (shared only with Brinkley) and the Chenoweth diary.

Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
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OHswingvoter Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 04:42 AM
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11. the boat log
would really tell the tale. Could settle some of the sleazy rumors and lies about him. He would really be smart to release it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:38 AM
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18. Oop, I'm sorry
Edited on Sat Aug-28-04 08:58 AM by DoYouEverWonder
I miss read your post.







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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:35 AM
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16. STOP!!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!!
Some of you are totally NOT understanding me here, my fault, sorry!

All I want is a link to a rightwingnut pundit, where he/she says anything along the lines of:

"Kerry refuses to release HIS JOURNALS".


1. The rightwingnut pundits go on and on about Kerry not having released all his RECORDS

2. *I* think they REALLY mean he has not released his JOURNALS

3. I'm trying to find a link of one of them actually saying his JOURNALS in their sentance, so that I can then show that THIS is why they keep saying he hasn't released his "RECORDS"...coz they really mean his "JOURNALS".

:)

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:39 AM
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19. And then
Yes I will point out that the journals are HIS OWN BIZ and can do what he wants with them...but first I want to prove that the pundits are SAYING RECORDS when they actually mean his JOURNALS.{/b}

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