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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:21 PM
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Update: Christian conservative friend still backs Kerry!
A friend of mine from back in Seattle - a decent, mellow guy, loyal friend, with impeccable tastes in music, beer, baseball, and movies - but for some damn reason voted for Bush in 2000... is STILL voting for Kerry! I had to call him last night and make sure. :P

2 months ago, he knocked me over with the proverbial feather when he volunteered, with no prompting from me, that he was voting for Kerry.

:wow:

Why?, I asked... stunned, but happily stunned...

"Because we need a change". Such grimness in his voice. I usually only hear that when we discuss the dreary Mariners season.

Now mind you, we NEVER discussed politics the nearly 5 years I knew him in Seattle. We knew where each other stood, and we broke down the world situation better when talking history. We respected our differences best by leaving them alone.

But when he admitted that he was voting for Kerry that last phone call, I ran with the green light. We have now parsed the health care crisis, the rising costs of education (he has grandchildren who will be college age in the next decade), the labor market, the erosion of the middle class, and the debacle of the war in Iraq.

He still proffers knee-jerk reactions to "socialized medicine", but had NO retort when I countered that the "privatized corporate system we have now isn't exactly working though, isn't it?". He maintains that health care isn't a right, and I countered that it IS, and insisted that he if he doesn't let human compassion (I was appealing to his christian morals), common sense, and even the 9th fucking amendment override the philosophical dogmas he was taught by the conservatives in his church and upbringing, then we're STUCK, aren't we? What good is voting for change if you are not willing to re-examine your belief system that created the need for change in the first place? This got some mild agreement.

Suffice to say I am the blowhard of the friendship. ;-)

His wife keeps having to jump from temp job to temp job, alternately losing health benefits each time. He GETS WHAT IS AT STAKE. But he still clings to the old ways in some manner, well, because he been what he has been for many decades.

We then rehashed what we DO agree on - the need for a stronger middle class, the need for the poor to be helped by ALL of us, not just the government or churches... to reach the middle class. We have different ways of trying to reach the same goals.

I am convinced that I am making a difference with him.

But just to make sure, I had to ask...

He was watching Kerry on CSPAN when I called, which emboldened me to ask.

Chalk up one more Bush voter from 2000 voting for John Kerry. :toast:
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:23 PM
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1. Woo hoo!
That's good news ZW.

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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 05:54 PM
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2. One at a time, one at a time
It does make a difference.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 06:42 PM
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3. As Al Gore said...
"Take it from me, every vote counts."
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:14 AM
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4. fuck the doom and gloom
Fuck all Kerry naysayers who post on DU. Hope they are banned soon.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:20 AM
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5. Well, Zomby, I was just about to post and thank you
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 12:22 AM by Kanary
for talking to him about poverty issues. I was pleasantly surprised, not only that you said what you did, but that a conservative would say that.

However, your last sentence here convinces me it's no use to try anymore. Wish all of us banned... yup, that'll get you a strong party.

You'll treat conservatives kindly in order to get their vote, then dump your anger on those of your own party.

Alert the mods and Skinner, and get me gone. I really can't battle this anymore.

So long....

Kanary
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:25 AM
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6. interesting
Did I say YOU were a Kerry naysayer? I did not.

But if you consider yourself one, then by all means, adios!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:27 AM
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7. and another thing...
I think when a conservative SUPPORTS our candidate, it is a sign of PROGRESS that THEY GET WHAT IS AT STAKE. If they don't like Bush, and are willing to HELP US OUT, we should encourage them.

When so-called progressives put Kerry down, it proves that they do not get it, and have EARNED MY ANGER.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:36 AM
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9. Just because you haven't a clue what to do with your OWN anger
Your "proof" is very interesting...... You make an assumption, then take that as "proof".

One of the problems with the party today is that it stopped listening to it's base. You think that's fine, and have NO interest in hearing one of your own.

Clearly, tho there have been many threads and posts trying for some understanding and peace, you would rather bash and get rid of people.

Since there is no talking to you, I'm done.

bye.

Kanary
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:41 AM
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10. that's the second time you promised me you were done
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 12:45 AM by ZombyWoof
Do you REALLY mean it? ;-)

And I DO know what to do with my anger... I tell people like you where to go. :D
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:34 AM
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8. Saw my best friend for the first time in a year last weekend...
she had voted for Bush in 2000, our other friend had voted for Nader, she confirmed that both of them (and her fiance) are all voting for Kerry in November...for sure...

So thats 3 more for Kerry, in Florida at that!!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:42 AM
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11. Excellent news!
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:48 AM
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12. Kewl!
My husband drove to a ballgame last night with a co-worker. Hubbie notices he's got Air America on and comments on what a great station it is. Co-worker responds with a all-out rant against Bush. Says he is an incompetent fool who has screwed our country royally. Iraq, the deficit, the economy, alienating us from the rest of the world and so on.

Then he drops the bomb...he has been a registered Republican for 35 YEARS, and for the first time in his entire life he will be voting Democratic.

Chalk up one life-time Republican voting for John Kerry. :7

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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:57 AM
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13. GREAT story!
:D
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 03:02 AM
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14. Whoa, good news... n/t
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:40 PM
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15. Z-Kick
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