TRUTHSEEKERS ALERT !!! - Novak On Cap Gang, Said That Barnes Wasn't...

[WillyT]

Lt. Gov at the time * went into the National Guard, so he couldn't have helped him get in. Anybody have any facts on this???

:shrug:

[BootinUp]

1. Bob Nofacts in action again eh?

Whatever Bob says, the truth is 180 degrees the other way.

[WillyT]

3. I Realize That,Just Wondering If Any DU Texans Could Shut Down His Meme...

right away.

:shrug:

[lapfog_1]

2. From the Texas historical society website

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/ltgov.html

Barnes was Lt Gov from some date (Jan 1???) 1969 to 1973 (Dec 31???)

So, when did shrubya join the TANG (or rather, when was he accepted?)

On edit: Shrubya signed elistment contract in May 27th, 1968



So, on the face of it, we've got a problem.
Of course, what we need to know is what was Barnes doing in
May 1968? Maybe he was in charge of draft boards or something
else which could create the effect needed to put shrubya at the
front of the list.

[WillyT]

4. Here It Is !!!

<snip>

But Bush did not join the full time active duty military. Instead, he chose to enlist for "weekend warrior" duty in the Air National Guard, where he could fulfill his military obligation far away from the risk of combat and pursue his civilian career, including working in several Republican Senate campaigns. "Had my unit been called I would have gone ... to Vietnam," he said. But like everyone else at the time, he knew the chances of that happening were slim. And when his application form asked about an overseas assignment, he checked "do not volunteer."

Competition for the few openings in the National Guard was intense, and there was a waiting list of 100,000 nationally at the time. Bush took the Air Force officer and pilot qualification tests on January 17, 1968. He scored 25%, the lowest possible passing grade on the pilot aptitude portion. On his application form, he listed his "background qualifications" as "none." But despite the waiting list, his low score and his lack of qualifications, Bush was given a highly-coveted spot and was sworn in on May 27 for a six-year commitment, taking a solemn oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution and the United States of America.

Bush and his father have adamantly denied that he received preferential treatment, despite the fact that his father was then a U.S. Representative from Texas and his grandfather Prescott had been a prominent U.S. Senator from Connecticut. But the Speaker of the House in Texas at the time, Ben Barnes, admitted under oath last year that he had received a request from a longtime Bush family friend, Sidney Adger of Houston, to help Bush get into the Air National Guard. Barnes further testified that he contacted the head of the Texas Air National Guard, Brig. Gen. James Rose, to pass along Adger's request.

When asked about this sworn testimony, Bush was evasive: "I have no idea and I don't believe so," he said. But according to the Boston Globe, Bush "vaulted to the top of a waiting list of 500."

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Link: http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154

:bounce:

Nice try NoFacts!!! Barnes was speaker of the House in Texas at the time. NoFacts implied that since he wasn't Lt. Gov, he shouldn't be believed. Ashhole!!!!!

:grr:

[HootieMcBoob]

9. Good work

We should all know by now that Novak is totally full of shit. Is there anything that treasonous shill says that is not complete bullshit?

[R3dD0g]

5. I found the same. Glad Gore invented the internet.

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/ltgov.html

So, I don't know whether he was actually Lt Gov or not. I don't even know whether he claimed to be at the time * was given sanctuary in the TANG.

But, in any event no politician goes from dogcatcher to Lt Gov without gaining some power through the years. So, even if Barnes wasn't Lt Gov at the precise time, he had enough political power to be elected Lt Gov in the immediate aftermath.

And everyone must remember that in the TX gov't scheme the Lt Gov wields all the power. The Gov is just a figure head. See Molly Ivins many columns on this fact.

[iwantmycountryback]

6. The facts on this?

If Robert Nofacts said it, the opposite is true.

[Zynx]

7. He was speaker of the Texas House at the time which has considerable

power. Novak is splitting hairs.

[lapfog_1]

12. Yup

with some more research...

Ben Barnes was elected Speaker of the House in 1965, and it was
as Speaker that he helped young shrubya to join the TANG, vaulting
above hundreds of other, more qualified, applicants.

http://www.loper.org/~george/archives/2004/Mar/917.html

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Just out of college; he won a seat in the Texas House, and by 1962, on
a congressman's recommendation, he was a top lieutenant to a
little-known gubernatorial candidate who went on to win--John
Connally. By 1965, he was House speaker, at 26 the youngest in
state history, and three years later he was elected lieutenant
governor, again the youngest ever, with the most votes any
statewide candidate had ever gotten.
-------------------------------------------------

So, Nofacts is simply trying to cloud the waters with the usual
shit.

[R3dD0g]

8. I noticed something else suspicious while googling Ben Barnes

Many of the pages of the Texas historical nature were 404 errors. And on the page I did find, the Lt Govs before and after Barnes had links to fairly extensive biographies. Barnes was one of the few that had no links.

It seems they're trying to erase the Barnes history from the public record. Who was it that said he who controls the past controls the future? Oh yeah that was Orwell. And the old Soviets practiced it with great efficiency.

We're going there now.

[WillyT]

10. Here Is A Barnes Bio !!!

<snip>

Ben Barnes was once a considered a rising-star in Texas politics after becoming a state representative at age 21. He remained a prominent political leader during the 1960s and 1970s.

Elected to the Texas House of Representatives when he was in his early 20's, he went on to become the youngest house speaker in Texas history. Barnes did not limit his involvement to just Texas politics.

He was a member of President Johnson’s Commission on Intergovernmental Relations, U.S. representative to the NATO Conference in 1967, and United Nations Representative to Geneva, Switzerland, in 1968.

In 1969, Barnes was elected lieutenant governor of Texas and served from 1969 to 1973.

<snip>

Link: http://www.klru.org/texasmonthlytalks/archives/barnes/bio.asp

[Jackpine Radical]

11. Right. Barnes wasn't LTG.

He was Speaker of the House, actually a much more powerful position in TX.