Obama: "People’s families are off limits.”

[AmyCamus]

http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/01/obama-offended-by-claim-about-palin-rumors/

So... is he a "concern troll"?

[Thrill]

1. They did it to their own daughter

[AmyCamus]

7. "They did it"? Have you been away from DU for a while?

DU lept in foaming at the mouth.

[Thrill]

13. No one made them announce their teen daughter was Pregnant. They have only themselves to blame

for that. If its so irrelevant as they say. Why did they announce it?

[goddess40]

18. And Palin knew this media blitz would happen, she should have turned it down.

the mention of this could disappear from DU but it won't disappear from the media nor will it stop being a topic of conversation at the water cooler.

Palin threw her daughter to the wolves by accepting the VP slot.

[AmyCamus]

26. Not all of us are rooting for the wolves.

"Palin threw her daughter to the wolves by accepting the VP slot."
Our candidate isn't rooting for the wolves.

[AZ Criminal JD]

54. Because people like you were saying the daughter

had given birth to Palin's fifth child. But of course you know that.

[SoCalDem]

2. For HIS staff and HIS campaign..

He has NO control over individuals with computers & the internet(s)

[AmyCamus]

6. "I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories"

"I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits."

It is his hope that "individuals with computers & the internet(s)" will control themselves.

[SoCalDem]

8. Then you just don't participate..simple

:hi:

[AmyCamus]

10. I'll participate by joining him asking people to back off, while you...

... post a silly picture ridiculing her family.

[SoCalDem]

11. okay

you do that :)

[Name removed]

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[AmyCamus]

21. Only took 20 minutes to be accused of supporting McCain.

"your candidates McCain and Palin are sooo fucked."
Only on DU would quoting Obama and asking people to do what he asked be seen as supporting McCain.
My candidate's own words:
"And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits."

[verges]

33. However, I respectfully disagree.

Palin is a "Family Values" candidate who strongly supports abstinence only sex education and birth control. How her own policies and beliefs impact her and her family is relevant. Obama and McCain are both running as change candidates. Isn't it fair to ask how that change works?Romney and Guiliani both ran as managers. Isn't it fair to ask how effective is their management?

Obama doesn't want the magnifying glass turned on his family. Not because there is anything wrong; but rather as a reflex protection. However, scrutiny of his "Family Values" isn't as relevant as that of Gov Palin. Obama is NOT running as a "family values" candidate.

This is unfortunate for the poor daughter. But, it was Gov Palin's own press announcement that brought it out to the light of day.

[Balderdash]

12. Our Candidate doesn't want you to do that

Who do you support? Really, I'm asking because the candidate has asked to stop.

[1corona4u]

23. Exactly, he specifically said;

"And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that>>> anybody who is supporting me<<< understands that is off limits."

[AmyCamus]

25. Thanks for pointing that out.

Let's see if you're now accused of supporting McCain. :eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. no he has class. something the rest of us clearly lack.

.

[AmyCamus]

15. He has the audacity to say 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

http://obamesque.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/do-unto-others-as-you-would-have-them-do-unto-you/

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. ... but not going after McCain's votes for Abstinence-Only and cutting Teen Pregnancy funding. nt

[WinkyDink]

5. I'm voting for him, not interviewing for a job with him.

What has "class" got to do with our opining on one tiny part of the Great Ether?

Readers can enter at their own risk.

[pampango]

9. For many here, the answer is "Yes, Obama is a concern troll."

To them it doesn't matter how Obama wants to run the campaign. They have the right to express themselves as they see fit, and nothing Obama says is going to change the way they go about their campaigning.

Some probably think that Obama is insincere in saying "People’s families are off limits.” They know that he is really winking when he says this. others probably suspect he is sincere in his statement, but they don't trust him to be able to win without some doing the "dirty work" for him. (Kind of like Mayor Daley getting the dead to vote for JFK.)

[Virginia Dare]

16. Obama can't control what goes on in the blogosphere and he knows that..

anymore than people here can control what the Obama campaign does. He's saying what he needs to say. If they want to pin all of this scandal on Obama, then they will have to own every smear that comes from the right, and there will be some ugly ones. There already have been. I saw somebody post a pic of an asshole outside the convention with an Osama Bin Biden t-shirt on.

[Virginia Dare]

14. Take the high road B.O., we got your back...n/t

[AmyCamus]

27. We can beat them on the issues, and by following Obama's example.

It's a real shame that so many 'progressives' want to act like the people we oppose.

[Virginia Dare]

28. They brought it all on themselves..

I don't sympathize with them. They put an unqualified woman with a messy personal life into the number two slot in the country in a cynical attempt to "steal" the woman vote and the historical significance of an Obama nomination. Here comes the blowback.

[AmyCamus]

32. All that recent stuff about her DS baby posted here - she asked for?

Yeah, I guess she should've aborted that child, so DU wouldn't attack her for having it. :eyes:

[chatnoir]

41. And this point I've only seen made ad nauseum by the other side

Like a mantra

Yeah, I guess she should've aborted that child, so DU wouldn't attack her for having it.

[Virginia Dare]

52. I don't have any idea what you're talking about..

but what I'm referring to is the political blowback of picking Sarah Palin as the V.P. candidate. Frankly I don't give a crap whether her daughter has the baby or aborts it. That's her choice as far as I'm concerned, or it should be.

Frankly Amy, that post puts doubts in my mind as to your motivations for being here.

[AmyCamus]

62. Here we go again, another member of DU's Purity Militia pops up...

"Frankly Amy, that post puts doubts in my mind as to your motivations for being here."

Frankly, my motivation is that we follow the lead of our candidate.
Your McCarthyite hallucination is your own problem.

[verges]

35. But, because

of her "Family Values" politics, this IS an issue. If she weren't an endorser of abstinence only sex education and birth control, this wouldn't be an issue (at least with me).

[AndyA]

19. I disagree with Barack on this.

Republicans promote their "family values" and don't hesitate to condemn others for their lifestyle. They don't want gay people to have the same rights as everyone else. They don't want schools to teach sex education, which is often a kid's first introduction on how to protect themselves from disease and how to avoid pregnancy.

Palin feels it's perfectly OK to tell others what they must do if they are pregnant. Rape and incest victims must have that baby. It's what God wants. :eyes:

When the Republicans get their sorry asses out of everyone else's bedrooms, then they can ask for privacy concerning their own families. But as long as they're telling you, me, and the rest of America what is correct for us, their families are fair game.

You're wrong on this, Barack. It isn't the fact that an unmarried teenager is pregnant. It's that her Mother feels its OK to tell gay people they don't have the right to see their partner in the hospital, even if they're deathly ill. It's because Palin feels its OK to deny gay partners access to employer-provided health care. And it's because Palin feels its OK to tell another mother and daughter what they must do if the daughter gets raped by her step father.

When you enter public service, you expose yourself and your family to greater public scrutiny. It goes with the territory, and it's part of the job. If we're expected to trust these people with our lives and our destiny, they should be comfortable with the lives they and their family lead.

No double standards.

[POAS]

37. You cannot attack hypocrisy

of the "values" crowd without pointing out the hypocrisy. It is a catch 22 that some just don't get.

That is not the same thing as attacking the family or the victim of the family's misguided leadership coming from the parents.

If I am going to say there is a problem with Sarah's inconsistent story about Trig or the pregnancy of her daughter how can I do it without mentioning Trig or Bristol? I cannot! Is that an attack on them? NO!

If those that want to protect the families and the children like Trig and Bristol then they should go after the people that are responsible, Sarah Palin and her husband, John MCain and the McCain GOP.

[AmyCamus]

39. Please respect our candidate's instructions and back off attacking her family.

Please support our candidate.

[Raineyb]

56. I don't work for Obama

And I'll say what I damn well please.

This entire situation reeks and I suspect that there's been some undue pressure being put to bear on the boy and his family to marry the daughter. This is a potential blatant abuse of power that ought to be investigated.

We've had enough people abusing power in our government for the past 8 years we don't need another who looks to be just as likely to abuse.

Regards

[blogslut]

20. No, he is good and earnest man

He isn't pushing any rumors, nefarious or otherwise. He's never been a rumormonger.

The fact is, the Internet scrutiny of Governor Palin would happen with or without Obama's approval. The beauty of it is that there's so much real, actual scandal to the woman, we don't need rumors.

Aint that a hoot?

[POAS]

22. Are you a volunteer for your local Obama team?

What are you contributing besides a few keystrokes of anguish?

[AmyCamus]

24. Are you supporting our team's leader on this?

If not, you're not being a team player.

[POAS]

29. Absolutely

Been going door to door and lots of other things.

Have you?

[AmyCamus]

30. OIC,

It's some DU typist's loyalty test.
I'm content with what I do, and would never stoop to your child's game.

[POAS]

36. Your the one calling out others with your OP

Your content to whine about another's opinion and their choice to express it but you don't want to be challenged on it or even take a chance that I might be right and go out into the world to see how many people have even heard of DU. Yet you think sitting at your keyboard and typing your worry will have an effect.

I will not let your worry censor my chance to express an opinion!

[AmyCamus]

38. Thanks for taking time away from your door knocking to contribute..

your "keystrokes of anguish."

You think Obama's wrong, and attack me for agreeing with him.
"I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits." Barack Obama
He's right. Attack me all you want, but he'll still be right.
Change your mind and support him.

[POAS]

42. Welcome to ignore

[AmyCamus]

48. You're ignoring Obama and me - I'm in good company!

Hope you don't take your Hate with you when "your" door knocking!

[Marie26]

31. Freeper!

I'm glad Obama distanced himself from these rumors. And it wasn't just a rote campaign statement - he was as angry as I've ever seen him. When you're all indulging in this, you're actually offending Obama.

[AmyCamus]

40. Did you see how angry he was?

I find it impossible to believe real Obama supporters are refusing to follow his lead on this.

[Marie26]

43. He seemed to take it personally

Even referring to his own mother. I wonder if it reminded him of some of the "rumors" his mother had to endure after having him as a teenager.

[pampango]

46. Most posters here seemingly couldn't care less what Obama wants them to do.

Why bother to post on the internet, if you can't go after the families of repubs?

Taking the "high road" is for lesser, and wimpier, mortals - except, I am sure, for Obama who, I hope, gets a pass from them since he is the candidate.

One reason, among many, that I consider myself a Democrat, is that we do not, at least most of the time, act like repubs. If I wanted to be nasty 24/7, I know that there is a party that will welcome me.

[Marie26]

49. Keyboard warriors unite!

There's not much Obama could do to stop the feeding frenzy now. But I also hate seeing Democrats acting just as nasty & vicious as the Republicans. I KNOW Republicans are vicious & hateful; that's why I'm not one. But stuff like this makes it seem like it's less a question of party & more about basic human nature. We might have 21st-century technology, but we use it for the same rumor-mongering the 19th-century old ladies used to do in front of the general store. "Did you hear Ms. Smith's daughter is pregnant??!!" "Oh, my, how horrid!"

[AmyCamus]

63. The tubes of the Nets are modern day equivalent of gossip gates.

The content of that gossip is no better than it ever was.

[TheZug]

34. He's a better man than I am.

[onenote]

64. he also is a smarter man than you are. And one who knows what it takes to win

Some of the armchair political strategists at DU can be downright embarassing at times.

[ensho]

44. Families are not off limits - families are where the truth is to be found

nt

[Iris]

45. bingo. And this is just one more example of the Republicans' failed policies.

Abstinence only only works when there is abstinence.

[AmyCamus]

47. "I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits." Barack Obama

nt

[ensho]

50. maybe Obama has to say that, but I don't have to agree with it

nt

[POAS]

51. And you shouldn't be pressured into self-censorship.

[onenote]

65. So, do you think that you're a smarter political strategist than Obama?

That he was wrong in calling on supporters to cut out the personal stuff about Palin's kids.

BTW, I have no problem with calling out Palin for supporting abstinence only programs. I'd call her out on it whether or not she had a pregnant daughter. I assume that is the case for most DUers.

[AmyCamus]

58. I'll support him 100%. You're free not to.

What else about our candidate don't you support?

[last1standing]

53. AGAIN!!! NO ONE IS ATTACKING BRISTOL PALIN!!!!

We are attacking sarah palin and john mcsame for pushing their morally superior family values bullshit while they ignore the realities facing them at home.

So, no, Barack Obama is not a concern troll. Are you?

[AmyCamus]

66. WHO SAID THEY WERE????

I've quoted our candidate, and asked people who claim only "concern trolls" care about how we conduct ourselves if that made him a "concern troll" in their eyes.
Evidently, in your case, it does.
Please, consider conducting yourself in a manner that reflects how he wants us to act.

[Raineyb]

55. As Obama doesn't post here I'd say no

You on the other hand....

Regards

[truthisfreedom]

57. Well, what people DO to their families is NOT off-limits.

[AmyCamus]

59. Biden: "people's families are off-limits, and people's children are off limits"

I agree with both Obama and Biden.

[I_Am_Legend]

60. Barack...

is a classy guy, and I am glad he came out strong on this one.

[AmyCamus]

61. I agree!

:D