I hope everyone appreciates James Carville a little bit more now

[mtnsnake]

As usual, he's been the best of the Democratic attack dogs (so far) when it comes to speaking up on behalf of our campaign and coming to Obama's defense when the rightwing nutjobs go after him or Biden.

[seabeyond]

1. ya.... surprisingly for me, yes, .... i do. thank you for posting. n/t

[YOY]

2. No.

Sorry. He's a mercenary snake. His ties to the right show it.

[driver8]

36. I agree -- he is an opportunistic piece of shit.

I can't stand him, or his wife.

[dionysus]

3. where ya been?

:hi:

[mtnsnake]

4. at the cabin mostly

but now it's back to work time. :hi:

[liberal renegade]

6. sweet jesus

pass that over to me!

[SeaLyons]

5. Carville is a good advocate for us....

(good to see you mtnsnake)....we need you.

K&R

[blm]

7. Doing what he always does - he puts on an act. He's still a saboteur of the Dem left and a few

utterances that sound appealing to the left will not change his years of undermining the left for his fascist masters.

It's apparent you never bothered to rent the documentary Our Brand is Crisis.

And Woodward's book was illuminating, too:

Talking Points Memo:

From: The Coffee House
Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)
By M.J. Rosenberg - October 7, 2006, 9:11AM

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
>>>>>>>

[mod mom]

12. EXACTLY. This country would be better off without the likes of Carville and his

neocon wife.

[greguganus]

14. Throw Begala in there too. n/t

[susanna]

16. That's very interesting. I hadn't heard that story.

How I missed it in 2004 is beyond me. Thanks for sharing that.

on edit: tenses are my downfall

[mtnsnake]

17. You'll only hear stories like that here on DU. Notice where it originated from.

Carville is as loyal a Democrat as it gets, but jealousy still runs rampant here on DU, where Kerry loyalists still like to blame everyone else, including Carville, for Kerry's pathetic loss to Bush in 2004.

[susanna]

20. I understand the tensions here...it's hard to miss!

It's utterly possible I burned out in 2004 in the aftermath of the election. I think Kerry had conceded by the time I woke up, so maybe I just deflated and didn't bother watching the fallout. I avoid DU sometimes when the emotions run high.

And thanks for responding. :hi:

[blm]

27. You would also have to believe that Woodward's lawyers didn't vet that story before it was published

and that the incident NEVER HAPPENED at all, which the poster would prefer you believe.

[susanna]

29. Noted.

I did thank you for posting the story originally, which admittedly I had not seen. I would rather not debate the merits of the story at great length. On the surface, I don't like it, because Matalin grates my last nerve. That said, I still generally like Carville for his debating style. :shrug:

[blm]

30. Matalin is also a war criminal - and she would be widely seen as such had Kerry taken office in 2005

and opened up the Iraq War Group and Downing Street Memos to greater scrutiny. There is no doubt Carville was well aware of this, especially as Carville was supportive of Scooter Libby throughout that matter.

[susanna]

34. Okay. Noted yet again.

I have made clear that I am not going to debate this one; I'm not interested in party in-fighting when we have a real enemy in McSame and Caribou Barbie. I have my own opinions. Thanks for sharing yours.

[mtnsnake]

35. Well said, susanna

:toast:

[susanna]

47. Thanks, mtnsnake. n/t

[blm]

37. Not debating - just responding appropriately to help clarify what was at stake for Carville.

Context is crucial.

[susanna]

46. I do understand, BLM. I have more information that I didn't before. Thanks again. n/t

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[whatchamacallit]

28. Project much?

:crazy:

[blm]

24. Oh sure - and my name is Bob Woodward. Carville's lawyers told me to recant what I wrote in my book

about what I witnessed myself at the WH on election night.... oops.....no, they didn't.....come to think of it, Carville never denied one word of the story even when the publisher's lawyers vetted it.

[sandnsea]

41. He's defending Hillary Clinton, we're no fools

I'm glad he's doing it because he's great when he does. But there's no doubt in my mind that if Palin hadn't compared herself to Hillary, Carville would be nowhere in sight.

[FraDon]

43. Echo :: Documentary : "Our Brand is Crisis"

Saw it last week. Excellent; painful. Wanna see huckster amorality, watch him and his political mercenaries work (ultimately unsuccessfully) for the corporate candidate, against Evo Morales in Bolivia in 2002. Says dans-18 at the Internet Movie DataBase:

American mercenary consultants led by James Carville go to Bolivia to influence and control the 2002 Bolivian Presidential Campaign. They claim to represent the candidate who stands the best chance of improving the plight of the Bolivian people, but in fact they are representing the candidate willing to pay them to come to Bolivia. Their client Goni (GONZALO SANCHEZ DE LOZADA) is an arrogant ruling class cigar-chomping goof who does whatever the consultants say. ...

[blm]

44. The Carvillites here at DU refuse to see that documentary - ignorance really IS bliss for some Dems

and, of course, those who just play one on TV.

[Forkboy]

8. Not especially.

The guy has less ideals and morals than a ferret with a crack addiction.

Can he be useful? Sure.

Is he someone I should like and appreciate? Not even close.

[yourguide]

9. He has been a champ

since Palin was announced!

[Dr. Death]

10. Yes, Carville annoys me sometimes, but I loved him on Larry King

last night. He schooled Bachman, who did nothing but spout the Palin talking points.

[beachmom]

11. "As usual"? What a joke. Some of us remember what he did in '04. nt

[susanna]

13. I've mostly liked Carville.

He is a tough debater and skilled at making his opponents look as stupid as they sound. He is great at cornering them, and his "are you kidding me" looks have to be some of the best in the business. Occasionally he has an off day, but by and large I am glad he's on our side. I was a staunch Hillary supporter, now 100% behind Obama. I'm glad to see Carville out there mixing it up with the clueless, lapdog (R)s. I appreciate him immensely, in other words.

Don't necessarily understand the whole Matalin thing, but that's off topic and politics does indeed make strange bedfellows... :-)

[peoli]

15. Hes a fucking pig. He has been forced into Obama's corner is all.

and I dont mind that that has happened....

[Abacus]

18. I've always liked Carville

despite having drastically different opinions about events within the primaries. I still need to get my hands on a recording of last night's comments. It's Wolfson who I could never stand.

[BlooInBloo]

19. (shrug) When he tells the truth, he's ok. When he lies, he blows.

[vaberella]

21. He was harsh to us all through the convention. He joined our side because of Palin.

He obviously hates her. So do I appreciate him...nah. I appreciate what turns him over to our side.

[Egnever]

23. LOL yea right

Great dem there

[murdoch]

26. Carville is back in the US?

He's been flying around the world, trying to push sleazy "third way" candidates on various peoples. Like "Goni" in Bolivia - a man running for the presidency of Bolivia who can barely speak Spanish! How colonialist can you get? Eventually, Carville's attacks failed, and Bolivia got its first Indian head of state in four centuries.

[Robbins]

31. Carville

Since he Is starting to act like he was when he was a defender of the Bill Clinton I suspect
the Clintons have told him to help get Obama elected.They aren't just putting on a show they
trully don't want Mccain elected.

[BeyondGeography]

32. Now that he's saying things that support our nominee?

Ya left that little part out.

[BlueIdaho]

33. He sure can be effective but...

He needs more than one gear. He needs a more temperate primary campaign gear to go along with his full throttle general election gear.

I do love to watch him gut the opposition though.

[Cha]

38. Yeah, I appreciate james carville when he's attacking repukes

instead of Howard Dean and the DNC and throwing his venom at pukes like palin who deserve it.

[my3boyz]

39. Haven't heard a peep out of that barracuda of a wife he is married to since

her smear book against Obama did not work. Good James is acting like a DEM for now. My mom keeps calling me going on and on about how James is going after the Palin story. This morning she told me he had a picture of the tiny office she had (not sure if it was when she was mayor or governor). She said it looked like a shack. lol

[WA98296]

40. What choice does he have? Who is going to hire him? It's gonna take a LOT more for me to trust him.

[Guava Jelly]

42. James Carville is still a turd.

I still haven't forgiven him for being such a jerk toward Bill Richardson

[MarjorieG]

45. He doesn't always come prepared with facts, just trash. We need Obama's experience understood/spoken

[scarletwoman]

48. No. I still wish that snake-headed asshole would eat shit and die.

I'll only allow as how it would be okay with me if he does it after Nov. 4, 2008.

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