Weak kneed, politically uneducated and jelly spined DU'ers, GO AWAY!

[trumad]

What we have on DU are "some amateur political minds" who try real real hard to sound like they know that they are talking about. They're knee jerk sissies who cry the sky is falling the minute a Brownstein poll or CNN hack spouts something negative. They are what I like to refer as "surface politicos". They glance and decide.

In a nutshell! They're lazy! They take no time for any deep analysis or dissection of how this race is playing out. They look at a number like 51-44 and start screaming comparisons to Al Gore. (Side note; I love when these amateurs diss Gore for his bad race in 2000 but they always fail to mention that Dubya was 17 points ahead at the beginning of that race. AND wow! Gore came back and won that race.... Go figure!

These lazy surface politicos fail to read blogs like the Daily Kos and see the numbers showing battleground states and undecideds leaning heavily toward Kerry. They throw out 11 other polls that show Kerry leading the er, popular war time incumbent. They don't' mention Dubya's 39 percent favorable rating...39 percent. Incumbents with those types of ratings never get reelected.

I've come to the conclusion that these posters are either trolls, or just extremely clueless to the game of politics. When folks start a "Sky is Falling" thread here on DU regarding this election, with only surface info, they need to be taken down immediately.

To the Mod who shut my last thread down: I edited my comments to reflect on chicken little posters. This thread is not referring to a specific thread or poster.

[MikeG]

1. I agree. Bush is toast.

[blondeatlast]

39. Have a little respect.

I like toast, I'm even eating some now!

[wurzel]

2. Their vote counts as much as your's does at the polls.

[mhr]

3. Whoa There Pardner, That's A Broad Brush You Are Using

Some of us are very fearful that despite all the best efforts of progressives, et. al., the Repugs will still find a way to steal the election.

Given 2000, BBV, the compliant media, the same supreme court, these fears are not unfounded.

[trumad]

8. Steal is one thing...

but bitches and moaning that JK's blowing it is another.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Try to avoid replying to doom gloom threads, it only kicks them.

[unfrigginreal]

5. Who died and left you boss?

This is a discussion board and you can only make the decision for one person to GO AWAY. Stop procrastinating.

[Name removed]

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[unfrigginreal]

20. No matter how you say it...

stop procrastinating.

[trumad]

22. Sorry Pal....

Leaving this forum would devastate it.

[WI_DEM]

6. I think we have two types on DU

yes, "the sky is falling" crowd but also the "don't worry, everything is fine" crowd who look at an entire month of August wasted by lying attacks (which got Kerry off message and allowed Bush to gain momentum moving into his convention) and say, "don't worry this was all part of Kerry's plan." Both sides are politically naive. The sky is falling crowd because two months is a lifetime in politics and the polls which show the country moving in the wrong direction are really the most telling at this point. The "Don't Worry" crowd because they don't understand that Kerry was really hurt by the Slime boat ads and the only reason he did finally respond to them is because his internals began to show slippage.

[trumad]

9. Kerry was nicked at that was it from the Slime boaters

and remember,,, it was Brownstiens poll that sadi that I hold no respect for the dumb ass poll.

[American liberal]

12. I beg to differ

He responded to the swifties when he did once all the ducks were lined up. THEY HAD TO DO THE RESEARCH! Fortunately, the Kerry campaign has more integrity than the repukes, and they will prevail in the end.

Signed,
"Don't Worry, Everything Is Fine" :)

[WI_DEM]

19. wrong it was dominating all political coverage for two weeks

prior to his responding. He responded well, but the damage was done. Add to that falling into Rove's trap on answering "Would you still have voted for the Iraqi resolution?" when he should have said, "I don't answer hypothetical questions" and the minor problem when he said he would conduct a more "sensitive" war--It was a dismal August. Does this mean he is going lose? of course not. But we have a lot of work to do because Bush is probably going to come out of his convention with a five to seven point lead.

[trumad]

23. What damage?

Where did you get that from...Brownstiein?

[MGKrebs]

7. I think we have three types on DU.

Maybe more.

[SeekingTruth]

10. Disagree.....

I've been following politics for over 25 years now and I think those who scream the sky is falling all the time have a place here as well as those who are extremely confident.

Personally, I go up and down. We have seen too much in the last few decades not to be concerned with how things will go. For example, think back to Bush I. When I think of him, I still cannot believe he was a president. Sure, we nominated a weak candidate in Dukakis, but still, when you look back at that man, he is as mediocre as one can ever find. And he was president.

Now spring forward to Al Gore and what happened to him. Talk about a media led character assassination that led to his downfall. The man actually won three debates while losing them. Why? Because in our current climate, style outdoes substance.

And here we find ourselves again where how much a person "likes" someone is more important than true skills.

We dems need to learn to fight back and play the political game like the repugs do (For example, where is our "Bernie Sanders" to ask Bush in a debate, "If some inner city crackhead pulled one of your daughters into an alley and raped her and she became pregnant, would you want her to get an abortion?").

[trumad]

14. Look I agree that tought talk is great

but then again, Kerry's the nominee, not Dean. er meaning, that tough talk doesn't always carry the day unfortunately..

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. Hear hear. Doomsayers belong at Bedwetters Underground

.

[Reciprocity]

15. So you want everybody to be cheerleaders?

[trumad]

24. NO

I want folks to educate themselves before they start threads or post how awful JK's running his campaign.

[Reciprocity]

So what makes you think they haven’t?

[uncle ray]

16. sorry for being new at this

i guess i'll go see if those friendly folks over at free republic will help educate me then.

being i don't know enough to form an opinion you would agree with, i guess i belong there. thanks for the heads up.

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[trumad]

21. Let's not talk about that specific thread

let's talk about the attitude of the Sky Fallers after the Brownstien poll came out. If you couldn't hear the whine and moaning from that crowd because of the one poll, then yoy haven't paid attention.

[American liberal]

25. I ignore the polls... They are not reflective

of reality. Just like the stock market short-term fluctuations, I can't waste my valuable time worrying about what some stupid poll shows 2 months out. If others choose to jeopardize their health and get high blood pressure over a bunch of numbers that don't mean shit anyways...well, that's their choice. Why bother wasting even more energy telling them not to? As somebody else posted on this thread, the only person you have control over is yourself. Live and let live and do what you can to influence the outcome.

Peace,
AL

[trumad]

29. Agree

You ignore the polls.. Good for you... I keep my eye on them especially the all inclusive polls that include undecideds. To go ape shit like some have because of an LA Times poll is absurd.

[eleny]

26. I'm with you

My personal choice is to put those threads on ignore. Yesterday I was burnt out from a heavy political week. But not now. I simply refuse to let anyone dampen my spirits!

[MGKrebs]

27. My My, there's some awfully Cocky people here in GD 2004

trumad  (1000+ posts)
Wed Jan-21-04 10:15 PM
Original message

My My, there's some awfully Cocky people here in GD 2004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=160691

Is that a good way for me to show off my stiff spine?

:-)

[lil-petunia]

28. weak kneed?

politically uneducated?
jelly spined?

Ah, I get it. If we disagree with what you or the Kerry campaign are saying or doing, then in essence we are crying that the sky is falling, is that it? I am SO glad that you have such an open mind, and tolerate so many diverse opinions.

My comments are my own, based on my experiences, my thoughts, my observations. They are not based on Faux, or Wolf or Tweety. I stand behind them. This is a fact: This campaign is in trouble. The race can still easily go either way. It should not be this close, not with a person with the record and brains that shrub has. With his record, shrub should be 20 points down. He isn't. Frankly, his campaign is getting the better of Kerry's, night after night. And that is reflected in many ways, including on the street with real people. (where a great deal of my insight is coming from)

We also know, from years of experience, that Rove and his goon squad have certain surprises ready for us over the next 60 days. These are probably choreographed for maximum exposure, most devastating impact, and to cause the most demoralization possible. Most of the voting public will be taken in by it - why? because just like Lee Atwater before him, Karl Rove knows what he is doing and he knows his target audience. You don't have to like that fact, but to ignore it or to simply wave your hand and say, "He is an asshole, so he doesn't matter" is making deadly mistake. Rove is smart, dangerous, evil and successful. To date, we have not put up a response worth noting. He continues to control the dialogue and which message is going out.

Hitler managed to convince an entire nation that the jews were the cause of all economic problems; that liebensraum was a policy that would "safeguard" Germany; that they were the victims, not the warriors. Rove is doing the same thing, only on more modern themes, well-funded outside hitmen allegedly not under his control, and with significantly more polished messages. The similarities between a Rove campaign and what Hitler did are too numerous to ignore.

My problem is that we are still treating the GOP with kid gloves. As though that critically important percentage of swing voters will appreciate this polite, mild mannered reporter, rather than the caped crusader this country needs at the moment. Just like the Al Gore campaign, the core of the dems is fine, but that does nothing to reach out and convince the swing voters to vote for Kerry.

Lazy? How the heck would you know? Reading that one blog is your requirement for analysis, thought, effort and proper understanding of this presidential campaign? Do you have any other manditory requirements that we MUST follow before our thoughts, our ideas, our analysis count? Not to mention our votes? using our own minds is forbidden, especially if we strongly disagree with you and your opinion? And if people on the street disagree with you, they are simply wrong, is that it?

Deep analysis? If your description of the pathetic excuse for a campaign that Al Gore ran is any indication of what constitutes "deep thought", well, please excuse me, but I'd like to try a different path, with different logic. By the way, please remind me. Just who has been president for the past miserable four years?

I am not here to start a pissing match. I am here because I believe in the core values of this party. I believe that strong defense, a liberal social policy and protecting our nation and our environment is absolutely necessary in order for this country to survive. I believe that our educational system is failing our children, but that the current answers offered by the GOP neocons will only make the problems worse.

I believe that the GOP has squandered its roll as a political party and has been hijacked by a small clan of powerful, very determined people who have winning at the top of their list. Not honesty. Not ethics, not intellectual discussions, not negotiations, not peaceful compromise. Winning. Period. At all costs. And I seriously doubt whether the Kerry Campaign has come to grips with that fact.

At risk of killing an example with overuse, we need to paint Bush as Lex Luther. He is the villian, so, why aren't we out there saying that? Clark Kent impressed no one. Except, perhaps, his stepmother. We need more than her vote on 11/2

[trumad]

31. You're a very good writer and articulate as well

but the minute you brought up Al Gore I knew that your political judgement has been tainted by the media and the RNC. Gore won 2000 coming from behind... AND he did it against a guy you give way to much credit for, Karl Atwater ROVE. Admit, you freaked when you saw the biased Brownstien Poll and now you're looking high in to the sky praying it won't fall.

[lil-petunia]

36. Actually, trumad

I don't watch polls and did not see the brownstein one. (although my partner does, and if the news is good, I usually hear screams of excitement)

First, let's have peace between us. Pax, ok? It is clear to me that you and I are on the same side. We should not cause disruptions here, because our enemy is still out there. I am not pissing on you or your thoughts, and if you think I am, please forgive me. That was/is not my intent.

Second, the democratic senators still have a lot to answer for from 2000. Not one was ready to put their name on a bill. I still shake my head at that congressional hearing. Can you hear my teeth gnashing? I may need dental work before this vote is over.

Third, between letter writing, talking to people, putting up signs and trying to get unregistered people registered (and voting democratic) I really don't know what more I can do. But feeling the pulse of the general public makes me feel uneasy. The swifties' message had an adverse impact. A serious one.

Fourth, I really believe that it was time to fight fire with fire a month ago. Certainly, I recall the rising tide that Al Gore caused. And if he had had another month, no contest. But he cleaned up his campaign staff too late, he waited too long, and he was too much of a gentleman. And you do recall, he himself realized that his campaign was not being well-served. Too many chiefs, not enough indians, contrary messages, confusion and lack of organization - just to name a few. Once they got their collective shit together, it was a much stronger campaign - as evidenced by the numbers you mentioned.

Lastly, if this place can't offer broad shoulders to those of us who feel some trepidation at the thought of 4 more vainglorious years, just where are we to go? And if we believe that this campaign is being too timid, tepid as room temp tea, and as creative as a pet rock, shouldn't we get that message out so we can celebrate a victory in November?

all the best. I gotta go watch more c-span. At least that is making my heart grow fonder.

[drdigi420]

30. Bush is a wimp

and a sissy

He can't ride a bike

He can't ride a Segway (sic)

He can't eat a pretzel

He was AWOL

He was a cheerleader

He sends others to die for his phony war

He has a pretend ranch but is afraid of horses

See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x686658

[mandyky]

32. Unless one's name is Skinner, Elad or has a moderator icon

next to their name - they do not get to say go away you bad DUer, because your doubting will cause the sky to fall. What a crock!

I hate it when Democrats start to sound like the Goose stepping Nazis in the other party. Dissent = democracy, and calling names is not helpful. Neither is banning people - this ain't your board!

[trumad]

34. Metaphorically baby...Metaphorically

[Zhade]

33. "What we have on DU are "some amateur political minds""

Yeah, but no one's telling you to leave. You're just as welcome as anyone else.

:D

(See how easy it is to turn around? What makes you the arbiter of who is and is not "politically educated"? No one. Your opinions are as valid as those who disagree with you, but you're no more an expert than I am.)

[trumad]

35. Dude...I'm fucking brilliant.

Come on...ask me a question and give me 5 minutes to look it up in Google... Go ahead...

[Zhade]

37. HAHAHAHA! Nice!

I'm glad you understood the intent of my post.

[Reciprocity]

38. " He who finds no fault in himself, needs a second opinion." n/t

[CatWoman]

40. Whatever

Tru is the cat's meow.

He always says what needs to be said.

Sometimes it's so depressing on this board. People bring up and post and agonize over the stupidest shit.

[okieinpain]

41. good post, but this will still be an extremely close race. so

those of us who complain about kerry making a dumb mistake are just calling a spade a spade.

[Moderator]

42. locking

there is no need to insult a group of DUers in what would otherwise be a legitimate discussion.