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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:01 PM
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I think undecided voters will go bush
OK not all of them, but I think a large percentage of them are people that he has made unhappy with his wars and deficits, but at the end of the day they will decide he is a "moral" man and will vote for him. That's just my gut feeling, I hope I'm wrong.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:03 PM
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1. That would go against the trend
I'm not sure of the exact figures, but undecideds usually break against the incumbent and for the challenger.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:03 PM
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2. " I hope I'm wrong"
You are
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:03 PM
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3. Undecideds will break heavily for Kerry.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:03 PM
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4. I think that maybe you need to take two Alka Seltzers and call it a night.
No way will they go to bush*. They'd have passed over to the dark side already if they were. bush* is a known entity with the past four years being all that he has to recommend them. In the end, they'll opt for what they see in Kerry.

Remember, we've only just begun to fight.
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:04 PM
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5. MORAL? They have got to be kidding.
If these undecided idiots vote for Bush, then they will deserve every fresh hell he gives them for the next four years. I will be out of here with my precious son, who will NOT grow up in a fascist country.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM
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6. They've had four years to watch Bush and they're still undecided...
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM by Rowdyboy
Why support him now? Undecideds don't break heavily for incumbents, ever, no matter what your "gut feeling" is.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM
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7. I think you will be proven wrong
and I have many reasons for that, but I've typed them out too often and am tired and need to go to bed.

Suffice to say, I think you will be proven wrong, which I'm sure would make you happy!

BTW, I really don't think there are too many undecided voters, anyway.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM
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8. Undecides go for the challenger!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:31 AM
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31. Mid-term elections go for the opposition!
Just wanted to point that out before we get too cocky...
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:07 PM
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9. If they don't believe he's a "moral" man by now,
why will they suddenly start believing it now?

Put it this way: I can't imagine anybody watching Gee Dubya at the convention and saying, "Oh, I like this Bush fellow! I didn't know that much about him before, I think I'll vote for him now."
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:22 PM
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18. they DO believe he's a moral man
if moral means.......well let's not get me started on that, but right now some of his base is angry at him and not ready to pledge their support until it's crunch time. I don't think we've ever seen a president that has made this many people in his base this angry and it's going to be interesting to see how it turns out.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:46 PM
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20. His base is already solid for him.
Both Kerry and Bush's bases (about 35-40% of the total vote each) are already solid for them. About 90% of Republicans will vote for Bush, and about 90% of Democrats for Kerry.

We're talking about undecideds. And undecideds historically shift by a margin of 60%-80% to the challenger. That even happened in '72 and '84, when McGovern and Mondale were both beaten in landslides, but still picked up a majority of undecideds.

About 40% of undecideds will probably go with Bush, but about 60% will go with Kerry. Whether or not that will propel Kerry to victory is completely dependent on how well he's doing come November.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:09 PM
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10. No historical model supports that notion.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:10 PM
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11. You're wrong, but I don't know how many of our votes will be counted.
So maybe you're "right".
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:12 PM
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12. Magic 8 Ball Sez:
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:13 PM
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13. I agree. To be still "undecided" now you have to be that dumb!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:15 PM
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14. Why would anyone think him a "moral" man?
Edited on Sun Aug-29-04 11:18 PM by nu_duer
Because he kills in the name of his God, who plainly commands that murder is a sin?

A moral man?

I don't see it.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:19 PM
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16. you don't see it because you aren't a dimwit
He said the Bible was his favorite book again this past week. Though that has zero to do with being moral, to a lot of dimwits, that must mean he is moral.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:21 PM
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17. That's a lie. "My Pet Goat" is his favorite book. n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:57 PM
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24. oh everything makes sense now!!!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:19 PM
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15. The Undecideds I've talked to just need a nudge to Kerry
At this point, anyone who is undecided has really been out of the loop or doesn't know the importance of this election.

Usually, they are vastly uninformed about issues that actually affect them. I've personally talked some undecideds and even people who put Bush/Cheney stickers on themselves at large events to go for Kerry due to healthcare costs or a boiled-down explainer about how we would not be this war if Gore got elected (for Nader sniffers) or Kerry (for Bush 2000 voters who are confused, pissed, have someone in Iraq they know, aren't Jesus freaks hellbent on being anti-choice...)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:24 PM
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19. You may be right because if anyone is still undecided
about who to vote for and not see that * is awful, they are likely to vote *.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:50 PM
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21. I just read a poll that said..
undecideds were leaning towards Kerry 5 to 1.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:53 PM
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22. "at the end of the day"
Total Repube phrase. You can hear it any day of the week from any wall street grifter. Check it out and you will see, that's repug slang.

Why do you use it?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:55 PM
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23. WTF?
Are you being serious?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:16 AM
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27. OK, it's a trite phrase
but republican? Come on man, get ahold of yourself!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 11:57 PM
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25. What undecideds?
I think by the time the final election polls are taken undecided voters will be statiscally insignifigant and the lead by either candidate will be within the MoE and irrelevant as well.

The only poll that counts is the one on November 2.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:14 AM
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26. I disagree...
most swing voters don't vote for the most moral guy...and if they did Kerry would win overwhelmingly!

IMHO most swing voters ultimately vote for themselves. This means if things have gotten better over the last four years personally, they vote for the incumbent. If they have become worse, they vote against the incumbent. Only the most idealogical..ie partisan activists vote for the person they consider the most moral candidate.

And usually their partisan loyalty is strongly connected to their cultural roots.
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:18 AM
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28. Undecideds have historically split 2-1 against the incumbent.
That means Bush* should get about 33% of the undecideds. That's not nearly enough for him to win. In fact, according to TIA's calculations, Bush* needs 85% of the current undecideds just to have a 50/50 shot.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:19 AM
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29. I think that the undecideds will not vote in this election
If they are still undecided today they are likely to be equally disaffected and undecided on election day, and they just won't bother to vote.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:21 AM
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30. Disagree for one reason.
Most polls say people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. Under that scenario the undecided usually vote for change.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:37 AM
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32. Thats why Kerry must get out the vote,
of the people who feel abandoned by both parties and haven't voted for a while. He must give them a vision of a world that is'nt just sweatshops and wars.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 12:39 AM
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33. Tom Tomorrow on Undecideds - Great toon...
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