I never thought a whole lot about the "7 minutes" until tonight....

[kentuck]

I'm talking about the 7 minutes in the classroom on 9/11...But, watching the CNN special tonight about The Sedition of George W Bush, they got a direct quote from Andrew Card and why he said "...we are under attack"....He wanted no ambiguity, he said. Then Bush just sat there, and sat there, and sat there... For some reason, it had never been so obvious to me that he was lost, in above his head, and not smart enough to lead our nation, and there was no one that he would listen to and there was no one brave enough to tell him to get his shit together. I know the 7 minutes was in Mike Moore's film, FH-9/11, but it never dawned on me the gravity of those precious moments and the person on camera looking like a deer in the headlights...I did not see decisiveness and I did not see leadership...

[Wapsie B]

1. This guy makes Reagan look like Noam Chomsky

intellect-wise. Absolutely amazing that anyone stands by this buffoon.

[Eurobabe]

39. bwahh!

[Catherine Vincent]

2. So was this a puff piece on Chimpy?

[kentuck]

3. In a sense, it was.....

It portrayed him as a very religious man, on a mission from God. It was meant to solidify his religious right base, in my opinion. And CNN did it well for Dubya, in my opinion.

[EST]

4. I can clearly se that you didn't get the point at all...

Why did he sit there so long? Well, being the intellectual giant that he is, he just couldn't wait to see how the story in the book ended!!

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. That the shitball ever went into the classroom after receiving word

of the FIRST plane is beyond all rational thought.

The press has always protected this guy out of a sense of national security, as they feel it would be dangerous to the USA and themselves personally if the word got out that the "commander in chief" was an all time shit for brains.

[kentuck]

7. Interesting you should bring this up....

I have thought of this often. And I have wondered if the editors and leaders in the newsrooms protected Bush out of concern for he safety of our nation, out of a sense of national security. They actually felt that the nation was at risk for lack of leadership, not vice-versa. Indeed, that he was shit for brains and he just got caught at a bad moment of history. For the nations sake, they had to say he found himself on 9/11. Hell, he never found shit. But, then in their protective moments, they permitted a monster to blossom. Interesting scenario.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. Other than forcing heavily biased content for economic reasons

or because of the ideology of the media ownership, it is about the only explanation for why he always gets a pass.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. They were protecting him

long before 9/11 ever happened. And can you honestly believe that they would have given a Democratic President any kind of pass at all if something like that happened on his watch even if, unlike Bush, he had displayed genuine leadership at that moment.

9/11 is simply a convenient excuse for a media that is heavily biased in favor of Republicans.

If you don't believe that, then ask yourself why prior to 9/11 the media was completely fixated on the Gary Condit/Chandra Levy story while ignoring the dead woman in Scarborough's office.

[Old and In the Way]

12. I think that's why they fought to keep the 8/6/01 PDB out of the public's

domain. Knowing that he was warned about OBL attacking US targets using planes as weapons, why didn't he immediately declare a state of emergency and cancel the entire school reading? And after he gets the word on the 2nd plane (assuming it wasn't ("2 in, 2 to go"), why's he not assuming there are 50 planes attacking us?

His inaction that day is incompetence at best, treason at worst.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. A picture is worth a thousand words

[dennis4868]

6. "I did not see decisiveness "

what are you talking about......President Bush is decisive....thats why he needs another 4 years....keep saying it....decisive, decisive, etc....at least that is what the media pig vomet whores tell us.

:-(

[seabeyond]

8. worse, his press dude held up sign, dont say anything

you want to tell me what employee would hold sign up to a boss and tell him to stay quiet. the person in ultimate authority being told to keep silent by an underling. this is absurd. imagine clinton sitting there, would someone hold a sign up for him. i sit in wow on that personally, being in authoritive position a lot in adult life, i just couldnt imagine

[nickinSTL]

37. Clinton

man, that just made me think...what would Clinton have done? If it had been a year earlier?

I think that assuming it couldn't have been prevented...When that first plane hit, he never would have gone into the classroom. Especially after the 8/6 pdb (which he actually would have read), he would have been on the phone trying to determine whether it was an accident or an attack. Probably would have had jets scrambled right away, just in case.

Man, what a difference a competent President would have made.

[Old and In the Way]

42. Assuming he was incompetent.....

why didn't his staff and the SS act as if this was a real emergency? He may have been totally clueless as to what to do, but the whisper in Card's ear should have been "time to vacate...NOW!"

If you know there are AT LEAST 4 hijacked planes in the air or in buildings and you did not know what was happening....would you assume this was the worst....or would you assume there might be another 20 or 50 or 100 planes (maybe some Cessna's, too) that might be part of the attack?

They sure didn't act as if they were surprised......

[nickinSTL]

43. well, yes...

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with the incompetence...
rather than the LIHOP or even MIHOP scenario...
and although I certainly have questions, and suspicions, I'd rather believe he's merely incompetent.

The alternative (particularly MIHOP) is just too d@mn scary.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. If it had happened on Clinton's watch

he would have been lynched, no matter how much competence and leadership he showed.

Frankly I don't think it would have happened on Clinton's watch because he stayed on top of things, and would have taken warnings seriously and acted to prevent such an attack.

[Stephanie]

9. T-shirt at the march: "It won't take me seven minutes to VOTE"

.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. What Andrew Card really said

Was, "the 2nd plane has hit. Sit tight, two more to go."


Keep in mind all of the planes were supposed to take off by 8:00 AM. They should have all hit their targets by 9:00 AM. It was supposed to be all over BEFORE W went into the classroom for his photo op.

[Old and In the Way]

14. We're on the same page here, DYEW!

93's 20 minute delay on the tarmac screwed up the whole plan....

[Chelsea Patriot]

18. This 15-20 minute delay is the key to understanding the sequence of events

That transpired in that classroom.

At today's March, my partner and I got the attention of the Media. We gave the cameraman, in 2 takes, an earful about what went down in the classroom, along with the toxic air we were, and probably still are, breathing after the Attack occurred.

I was also challenging the media to release their footage of Bush in that classroom, which they all have and which they are shielding him from.

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. There were a number of local News crews at Booker

that day. Too bad, the 9-11 Cover-up Commission never bothered to try to get copies of the videos they took that morning. It would answer a lot of questions about what W did and did not do.








Too bad Booker Elementary took almost all the pictures of W off of their website. Those images should have also been part of the investigation.

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/9.11.01.index.html

[Democrat 4 Ever]

15. After sitting for seven minutes ....

Bush had a photo op session for an additional 20 minutes when he left the classroom. Unbelievable - the country is under attack and he smiles and shakes hands for the camera.

Wonder if any of those photos will end up in a campaign brochure? "What POTUS was doing while America burned!"

[kath]

19. YES- It's important to get the word out that he wasted WAY more than

7 minutes -- more like 25-30 minutes from the accounts I've read (those who know the specific timeline, chime in please!)

[speedoo]

22. Holy shit!!!

I never knew about the photo-op until now. Is it addressed in F-9/11? Have not seen it yet.

30 + minutes wasted by the "commander-in-chief" after the second tower was hit... this must be part of the attack on dumbya, somehow.

[kath]

24. Moore just shows what he got on tape in the classroom (from the school

staff, I think) which lasted around 7 minutes. He doesn't show or mention (at least I don't remember a mention) the subsequent photo-op and other bullshit in the movie (and I don't know if he mentions it in his book "Dude Where's My Country?" or his website). Paul Thompson's excellent Sept. 11 timeline goes into detail on this, I think.

People need to know this. HE WASTED 25-30 MINUTES AFTER THE SECOND PLANE HIT!! Getting his picture taken, schmoozing with the principal, etc (always needs more pics with black people to show that he's a "compassionate conservative". Asshole.)

7 minutes may not seem like a lot of time to some people. But a HALF-HOUR sure the heck is a lot of time.

[speedoo]

26. 7 minutes is an eternity...

in terms of responding to an emergency. Any person with a military background knows that. 30 minutes.... that nothing was done by our "commander-in-chief" for that amount of time is something I simply cannot comprehend.

[Old and In the Way]

28. See: www.cooperativeresearch.org

Paul Thompson (a DUer) has compiled the most detailed timeline of Bush's actions on 9/11 (as well as the an ever expanding history of late 20th Century US policy.

Bush's 9:30 press conference at the school was on his planned itinerary for the day....amazing that he was able to keep his schedule intact for that, no?

Did you know that W had a surface-to-air battery with him at the hotel he stayed at in Sarasota on 9/10? Odd, because Condi told us they never expected planes to fly into buildings. Maybe George did take that 8/6/01 PDB paper seriously?

[Carni]

36. Yes thank you!

That is what I read as well but I couldn't recall for sure if it was coop research.org (It was!)

[Carni]

35. Actually his schedule at that school went entirely as scheduled

From what I read on (I think) Cooperative research, he had been scheduled to be at that school for X amount of time and even though we were under attack that never changed.

He sat there for 7 minutes reading his goat book and then proceeded with his photo op etc before departing...about the only thing that changed was during his photo op, he talked about the terra attacks to the press...but the point is he didn't deviate at all from his
pre-planned schedule.

[Minimus]

40. what?!

for real? where can I get more info?

[nomatrix]

13. Symbolman did a fantastic piece for TBTM

Take back the media long before Michael Moore did F/911 and before the "investigation". Very moving so be prepared.

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040606205339801

[agincourt]

17. My local paper,

usually prints different versions of shit in it's letters to the editor, but they did let one gem through, though. The letter writer stated that bush didn't protect us on Sept. 11, flight 93 did. I'd be loyal for life to a Dem who said that at a podium.

[Old and In the Way]

29. I'll bet 93 was planned for the Capitol.

Take out all those Congresspeople. That would leave George pretty well a dictator, wouldn't it?

"I saw that 1st plane hit the WTC and I thought, boy, that's one bad pilot." Is that what you really thought, George?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

32. Yes. It's been more or less proven to be the target.

A NYTimes magazine article in the spring of '03 stated that such was the case from an AQ source.

As for Kentuck's main thought here- Yes. The whole thing indicates how absolutely unfit for the office this man is. And as is asked elsewhere here- why the hell did he even go into the classroom at all?
And the "Don't say anything" sign!?!

It's all very frightening. I don't know why America doesn't wake the hell up and be done with this clueless asshole.

[moondust]

20. 7 minutes of truth.

He who hesitates is lunch. Bush lacks the instincts of a leader.

I think Kerry's emphasis on Vietnam is about showcasing the glaring differences between a real leader and a pretender when the shit hits the fan: When "ambushed" one "commander" sits like a dummy for 7 minutes waiting for his brain cell to kick in and the other fearlessly turns his boat directly into the line of fire and crushes the threat decisively.

It's like night and day.

[Rose Siding]

21. How about when King said that before speeches, Bush goes off alone

and prays??? He didn't look too meditative in the footage Moore used of him before he announced the beginning of Shock and Awe- remember the joking and the funny faces? Seems like that speech could have used some prayer.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Even after Bu$h left, the photo op continued?

Considering the gravity of the situation, you would have thought that these folks would have taken the rest of the day off? Instead the Sec. of Education and the Lt. Governor stayed on as if they had nothing better to do?

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/remarks.html

Here is what President Bush said at Emma E. Booker Elementary:

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a difficult moment for America. I, unfortunately, will be going back to Washington after my remarks. Secretary (of education) Rod Paige and the lieutenant governor will take the podium and discuss education. I do want to thank the folks here at Booker Elementary School for their hospitality.


America is under attack, and the LT. GOV of Florida stays on to discuss education?

[ContinentalOp]

27. Why not?

It all ties in so nicely. The destruction of the World Trade Center -- Bush's destruction of our public education. Makes a nice segue, no? After seeing the plane crashes, they probably just got more riled up to talk about their plans for America's schools.

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. I'm sure everytime they watch the videos

they get all charged up again. It was just so exciting.

That's why they had to fly around with W all day, they couldn't get him to calm down. It was like the best sex ever.

[Malva Zebrina]

30. as time passes, I wonder now just what the whole team was doing

for seven minutes. What was Card doing after he whispered into George's ear? Setting up the photo ops?
Standing around waiting for George to do something? I doubt it. From what I understand after the story, there was an additional fifteen minutes of photo ops and such before anything about the WTC was addressed. What was everyone else doing?

[LynnTheDem]

33. How about that 20 minutes...

of PHOTO OPS.

AFTER he left the school.

[kath]

34. Where was that, lynn?

[Ducks In A Row]

41. here a site that has the timeline

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_911=bush

at 9:29am
"Still inside Booker Elementary School, Bush gives a brief speech in front of about 200 students, plus many teachers and reporters "


this is after the 7 minutes reading the goat story.

so bush idled the time away for far more than just those 7 minutes.

[drdigi420]

38. It's because Bush is a Wimp!