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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:11 PM
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Anyone Else See McCain Damn * With Faint Praise?
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 07:12 PM by Crisco
On ABC tonight? Interview w/Peter Jennings.

(paraphrasing)

PJ - do you think Kerry would make a good president?
JM - He'd make a great president
PJ - but you're campaigning for Dubya
JM - he proved his leadership

Twice over.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:15 PM
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1. That;'s hysterical.
Nothing like campaigning for the guy you despise.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:16 PM
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2. Casper has no shame
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:17 PM
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3. WHY won't he stop being a whore for Bush?? I don't get it... WHAT
leadership??? Standing on a pile of rubble talking Texas Tough about goin' after the people responsible, then going to war after the wrong guy??? Leading us into the past with job losses, health care coverage lost for thousands, wage declines, deficits and gas prices through the roof?? Leading the haves and have mores, his BASE, into more and greater wealth??
God help us.
If you don't have megamoney and still vote for the Shrub, you're just a sheep being led to the slaughter.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:20 PM
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7. He's a REPUBLICAN
McCain likes his career. The only way he could go against Bush is to become a democrat. He refuses to do that because he is 100% loyal to the republican party. Leaving him with only 1 option, supporting Bush when push comes to shove.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:47 PM
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28. He wants to have a political future as a Republican
and that requires kissing the ass of his sworn enemy and not endorsing his close friend.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:53 PM
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29. If he endorsed Kerry, he would face a well funded primary challenger
in his next reelection.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:17 PM
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4. McCain haters, I respect your hate for him, but this is why I respect him.
PJ - do you think Kerry would make a good president?
JM - He'd make a great president
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:19 PM
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6. There is nothing to respect
about someone who displays passive/aggressive tendencies.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:22 PM
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9. Which makes him an even greater devil.
By being somewhat reasonable it makes his unreasonable actions even more damaging.

Saying things like that gives him incredible cred with the entire spectrum of voters, then when he stands up and supports the president they all listen.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:26 PM
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11. Please don't begin singing the McCain Anthem again
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 07:30 PM by Catt03
He is repulsive

From today's WP:

"But there has been a marked shift in the warmth with which McCain has discussed Bush in recent weeks -- and, more subtly, in how he talks about Kerry. While much has been made of their friendship, McCain, according to sources close to him, has grown weary of Kerry's constant mentions of it. He publicly objected to Kerry's reference in a recent ad to Bush's campaign tactics against McCain in 2000. (Kerry promptly pulled the ad.)"

Asked if Kerry has overstated the closeness of their bond, McCain says, "Yes and no."

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:19 PM
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5. Fuck McCain
He is a two faced bastard and stinks as a Senator. He is a conservative piece of dirt.Why does anyone care what he says? These breathless posts hanging on his every word ,analyzing what he says , almost sound like the posters are hoping he will turn Dem. Get a grip. He publicly stated today that Kerry isn't really his friend. He told the press he thought it was okay for the SBVFT to attack Kerry's ant-war position. This is a senator with one of the worst voting records in congress. Why do DUer's lionize this guy. He is a dirt bag member of the Keating Five.He is a REAL republican and is supporting Bush.Give it up and stop pretending he is one of the good guys.He isn't.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:42 PM
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14. Amen, saracat!
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 07:43 PM by mitchum
There is nothing respectable about McCain
Fuck him and his duped cheerleaders
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 05:56 AM
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33. This DUer does NOT lionize this guy. I became disgusted with him
Edited on Tue Aug-31-04 06:01 AM by calimary
after the 2000 campaign when he not only never demanded an apology or retraction for the slander against his wife, their daughter, and their marriage - he didn't even voice objection to it. He didn't even fight for his lady's honor! OR their completely innocent adopted daughter, who wasn't even an issue. Or at least she shouldn't have been. She was a little kid then and should have been completely OFF LIMITS. Then he comes back around and embraces the guy - for whose sake his own wife and child were publicly TRASHED.

BASTARD. If I were his wife, he'd pay dearly for that. She gets dragged down into the muck with their little girl by the jackals - who "courageously and upstandingly" aim to hurt McCain by hurting his immediate family. And after bush scores another filthy, rip-off victory, everybody's all lovey-dovey again for the good of their party. bush has NEVER apologized for that, nor has McCain ever demanded that he do so.

Then when the damned ugly filthy smears get rolling again, targeting John Kerry, the best this over-flattered weenie can offer is a flaccid "...it's the same thing they did to me in 2000." Uh - hello, John. Do you feel ANYTHING about that? Anything at all? Is it really no skin off your nose that your wife and child were slandered and trashed like that? Then you embrace the guy enthroned at the top of that very same trash heap. Whose side are you on? Who do you love more? Your wife or the guy who sends his minions out to hurt her with a lot of lies? The saddest part is - we all can see quite clearly what his answer is.

AND he's anti-choice.

AND he tried to take a cheap shot at Michael Moore tonight, based on his own assertions about "Fahrenheit 9/11" - that weren't even in the movie. Because, you see, McCain has NEVER SEEN THE MOVIE, and insists he never will. But he does know enough, from a movie he's never even seen, to criticize it, I suppose. Hypocrite.

What a disgrace.

Arizona, my sympathies!
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Bob2112 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:21 PM
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8. McCain
I think he is generally a good person, it is sad that he feels he has to stick up for Bush though. My biggest fear is Cheney being replaced by McCain.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:24 PM
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10. McCain will never have a position of power in this administration.
He certainly wont be VP, he definately wont be head of defense. They cant rely on him to tow the company line without hesitation.
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Bob2112 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:55 PM
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17. Maybe
But he would be the best way to get votes in an otherwise shaky campaign. He would shore up a lot of independents.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:07 PM
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18. So they would just give up thier radical agenda?
These people have a radical plan for america, they arent just your average opportunistic politicians. They dont just want power, they want power so that they can do things. Putting McCain in power would be just as bad as losing the election. They dont want a moderate republican anymore than they want a democrat.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:26 PM
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20. What makes you think McCain is moderate?
What is wrong with you people? Look at his voting record. He is NOT I repeat NOT moderate.He is one of the most conservative senators in congress.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:31 PM
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22. I meant he isnt a Bush republican.
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 08:32 PM by K-W
He isnt on board with the radical Bush agenda. Putting him in power in the Bush administration would be placing a speed bump to thier agenda. There is no reason for them to do this. The only reason this topic comes up is because it sounds like something traditional politicians would do and something that would really hurt us. It doesnt fit the Bush admnistrations patterns in the slightest. They arent interested in compromising with anyone, they want to cut out any dissent even the smallest amount. If you arent on thier ideological bandwagon, there is no place for you at the very top of the power structure.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:39 PM
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25. He isn't?
Again, I refer you to his voting record!He most certainly is on board with the Bush agenda. He just leveraged himself to make it look as though he wasn't.It is all in the voting record my friend, and that is all that counts. The perception of him doesn't matter but how he votes does!
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:44 PM
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26. No he isnt, he is bad, but not that bad.
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 08:44 PM by K-W
He has voted with the republican majority, that hardly proves he is an ideological neo-conservative or facist.

He has never been particularly connected to the movement of bush and his ilk, and has opposed them in election and on some issues. His main issue is stopping pork in spending bills. His last big crusade was campaign finance. He ran against Bush for chrissake. If he was part of that movement he certainly wouldnt have done that.

There are very very valid reasons to hate and critisize McCain, but he isnt some crazy maniacal neocon with a diabolical rouse to fool us. Hes not that bright and hes stupidly tied to a party. He is convinced by republican propaganda and dead wrong on most issues like any conservative.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:30 PM
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21. He will tow the Party line,
He is doing it "without hesitation "as we speak. He has openly trashed Kerry and aligned himself with Bush. He only used Kerry for a centrist image.And now he is restablishing his repug base. He is totally motivated by self interest and has no loyalty to anyone but McCain.He is a true repug.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:33 PM
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23. Now you are going to far to the other side.
It seems clear that McCain does have some problems with the Bush administration, but when push comes to shove he isnt leaving the party, so he does tow the party line.

He isnt however a Bush republican. He isnt an ideological wingnut, just a stupid conservative.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:24 PM
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19. Why do you think he is
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 08:24 PM by saracat
"generally a good person'? What do you base that on? Do you know his voting record? Do you know how he is really perceived by the people of his state? Do you know how he dumped his first wife? And married Cindy for her money?Unlike Kerry they don't have a prenup.Once again, besides his POW status, what is "generally good" about the guy?
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 07:16 AM
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35. A "good person" who made fun of Chelsea Clinton's looks
in public, when she was a little girl in the White House.

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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:32 PM
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12. Any "man" and I use that term with quotes when referring to John McCain
who would allow his political party to slander his wife and child and still remain a loyal soldier , I have no fucking use for. My father would have never tolerated that kind of garbage being hurled at my mother or myself. Real men don't.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:38 PM
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13. I have to agree.
There are greater things, more important things than party loyalty and ambition.

Like family.

Like self-respect.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 06:08 AM
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34. Amen.
That single act of idiocy on his part slammed the door shut for me. It's a slap in the face to ALL wives and kids, adopted and otherwise. And yes, he DID indeed just let it all ride, and never defended his wife and/or daughter against that shameful siege. Not a word. Not a single objection. That alone tells me TONS about his character. You're exactly correct. REAL men don't tolerate such shit.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:45 PM
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15. You can't play on both sides of the fence!
He's going down for being so two sided.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 07:49 PM
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16. You know, I really hate to say..........
I told you so but.......

Republicans will never, I repeat, NEVER see things our way. They hate so much that they would rather die than see things, ANY thing, our way. Kind of like the terrorists in a way. They cannot be trusted ever, never. Extend a hand of friendship to one of them and you'll pull back a bloody stump.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:37 PM
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24. Interesting ... especially with what he's said about Kerry recently
Their friendship, the SBVT's agenda etc... It'll be interesting to see how McCain continues to either whore for Bush or walk the tightrope between the two.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 08:45 PM
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27. watching what...?
the Really Nauseating Convention...no...
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 09:16 PM
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30. He wants to runs as Prez. in 2008 and needs the Repub Party behind him.
So he's making nicey-nice with them now.
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jackieforthedems Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-04 09:28 PM
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31. McCain Just Doesn't Want To Be Known
Edited on Mon Aug-30-04 09:29 PM by jackieforthedems
as a human pancake - flipping from Repub to Dem. Who knows what he may do in the voting booth, though.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-04 03:52 AM
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32. There you go again.
Still hoping he is a secret Dem. He is not .Get over it. McCain is a lying puke!
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