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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:24 AM
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Is anyone else feeling as depressed as I am?
I feel like it's 2000 all over again, and the press is doing the repukes' work for them all over again.
Kerry has now been defined as a liar and a waffler, despite the fact that he's neither.

Gore must be watching all this and just wanting to weep, it's all happening again and it's like a slow-moving trainwreck.

WTF does it take to get this campaign back on track? Certainly Kerry should get off Nantucket and go balls-to-the-wall against this attack-machine. He proved he could do it with the Swift boat in Vietnam, take on the attackers head-on and destroy them.

If he doesn't do something soon, I fear he's already lost.

:-(

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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:25 AM
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1. after todays speech
you will feel fine.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:20 AM
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29. Nope
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:26 AM
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32. Nope?
We won't feel fine? Why, is his speech a flop?
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:26 AM
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2. There's a lot of time left, still have the debates and Kerry is neck and n
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:26 AM
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3. If you are going to think whatever the WH wants you to think
then why not cut to the chase and support Bush?
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:29 AM
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6. It's deja vu all over again
I resent you implying that I would "cut to the chase and support Bush". I'm just so fuckin' sick of the way Democratic candidates are dealt with by corp-WHORE-ate media.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:06 AM
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26. I agree; being worried that Kerry isn't up to the fight
isn't "supporting Bush*"; that's a petty and illogical leap. We criticize our candidate for not representing us as well as he could, and plenty of DUers will say it's "Bashing", "being pro-Bush", "playing into Rove's hands", "being brainwashed by the media", etc. Look, I don't have standard cable, don't get a newspaper, have only two channels because hurricane Charley wrecked the neighborhood, mostly read the foreign press for my news, and I STILL am underwhelmed by Kerry's performance and his ads. There's just no fire in his belly. He simply does not inspire, when a charismatic, inspirational leader is what we need most right now! The same idiots who ran Gore's wimpy campaign are at it again; chest thumping at terrorism doesn't make you look "strong"; confronting the opposition's lies and putting them on the defensive does! When WILL we define the debate? If not now, when?
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:48 AM
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37. Oh, please!
The guy is justifiably worried about the current low point in the Kerry campaign, and you tell him to support Bush*. That's real swift!

You are apparently a mirror image clone of the Pugs who said if you don't support Bush* on Iraq, why don't you just support Saddam Hussein. I thought we on the left were smarter than that?
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:27 AM
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4. The media is doing a hatchet job on Kerry
My suggestion for the next week is to simply not watch anything on politics this week. Catch a ball game, a favorite movie, or simply turn the thing off and read a book or spend time with your family. Things are going to work out. Don't let the corporate media control your emotions.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:31 AM
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7. I agree...
Shut off the TV, and stop surfing the news sites... especially this week. This is W's week. We had ours last month.

I understand your feelings of depression. Mine have already come and gone more times than I want to count over the past month. But the key is to shut off the idiots and forge forward on the strength of your convictions. Sometimes, surrounding yourself with like minded people helps. So, head over to your local Dem office, do some phone banking, have a house party and invite some Dems over. Do something to remind yourself that you're not alone.

That's how I get through the madness.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:33 AM
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8. Thanks, that's good advice
I need to get out there and volunteer.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:16 AM
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27. The media is our enemy.
They will spin anything Kerry says and distort it. It is up to us, the base, to do everything possible to register voters and spread the facts. Don't listen to the polls or watch TV, write LTTE and volunteer. It will improve your mood to be with other devoted supporters.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:29 AM
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5. I wax and wane...but today....
I'm focusing on getting people registered to vote. *bush can't touch me there.....It has power.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:33 AM
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9. I completely disagree with you... here is my justification...
Not one person that voted for Gore will vote for Bush. Gore WON the popular vote.... Not everyone who voted for * will vote for him this time, so Kerry will win the popular vote by a greater margin than Gore.

The Democrats are as united as I have ever witnessed

Most polls show Kerry winning...

Never before has an incubant ever won when he had been behind in the polls this close to the election....

In most states... Kerry's lead in the polls is greater than that of the undecideds.

And the last thing that makes me feel optimistic about it all...

Kerry is a proven top notch debater...* is only a masterbater.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:33 AM
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10. hey marshallplan
Normally I am the first one to show worry like you (cynic that I am) but I have decided to put my worrying on hold until this freak show in NYC is over. I figured it would be like this during their convention. If things appear to be the same in a few weeks then I will join you. :hi: :hug:
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:34 AM
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11. Hi Jonny!!
Hope you're having a great time down there! Take care :hi:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:35 AM
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12. i am NOT feeling depressed.
no. i see lots of opportunities i also know that bush f*cks himself every which way and know he will continue to put out f*ck ups
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:36 AM
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13. i'm not bashing our own guy today...I am bashing THEM today
so I can't answer..but I disagree with you anyway
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hansolsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:36 AM
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14. Grow up. Kerry can't carry us, we have to carry Kerry. Get to work. N/T
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 08:41 AM by hansolsen
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:36 AM
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15. I have almost no idea what you're talking about
Because I haven't watched much tv in the last two days and I feel great! Better than I have in two years. I think I'm on to something, if you turn the talking heads off then they cannot talk in your head. Their ideas don't become your ideas, their spin doesn't become your spin, their bias doesn't grate your nerves because you don't hear it.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:42 AM
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20. I second that and with 500,000 in the streets
you have to know there is a huge amount of energy on our side.

For every one of those 500,000 there were perhaps 10 or 20 people who wanted to be here but couldn't.

One of my favorite signs from the weekend: "Bring on the Landslide"
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:38 AM
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16. No but.....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:38 AM
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17. Maybe this will cheer you up...
A couple of days, I talked to a guy who works in Homeland Security. Even though his bread is buttered by this administration, guess for whom he is voting. :-)

He's one of the people that Bush is sure he will carry. WRONG.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:41 AM
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18. When you get time stop by your local Dem hdqtrs
It will cheer you up. People on the phones, people stopping by for campaign buttons and yard signs, people with smiles on their faces.

It's happening here in N. San Diego County home to the Camp Pendleton Marine base.

If you get involved with a Dem. campaign, you will see a different view from what the media gives us. :-)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:44 AM
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22. Damn straight--even in Mississippi, the Dem hqs are active...
and welcome volunteers to go in and help. Instead of stewing one's self in pity, one should visit the hqs! Volunteer. Make a difference!
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:42 AM
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19. Take a goddamn Valium and start canvassing...
Every time you feel like posting another "...we'll all be killed!" post...don't.

Instead, go to your local Democratic Party Hdqrs., get a walking list, and walk a neighborhood for Kerry.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:42 AM
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21. F*ck the undecideds
I'm so sick of hearing that this race hinges on the undecideds...all these millions being spent for TV ads to win a handful of voters. At the end of the day, undecideds will be a footnote. This race will turn one one thing alone: a high turnout!!

It may be impossible to turn the media around, but all we need is an energized base. I have a feeling Kerry will come out swinging after Labor Day. All he really needs to do is fire people up enough to get them to the polls.

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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:53 AM
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40. Without "undecideds" exactly what would an "energized base" do?
We need more votes, and they gotta come from somewhere.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:32 AM
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41. Half of Democrats don't vote
Most are not undecided, they just don't bother to vote. They need to be stirred up enough, energized, to get to the polls, that's all.

That's really all there is to it. Republicans win elections when people stay home.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:47 AM
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23. WHY on earth would you be depressed?
Think about it....what have the Republicans told America about why they should continue in power? They hate wounded veterans? They hate Michael Moore? The next generation of Bushes is even dumber than this one?

How do we get out of Iraq? "Uhhhhhh...wasn't the president brave and decisive for getting us in? He doesn't reason with other countries."

What do we do about the jobs situation? "Dun't be economic girlymen."

No matter how many coats of paint you put on it, a dog turd's still a dog turd.

We've got a real candidate with a plan, they've got an empty flightsuit and a bunch of smears.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:08 AM
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24. Hate to admit it....
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 09:10 AM by dennis4868
but I too am depressed about all of this. After Barak Obama's speech at the convention I was on a high....now that has all changed.

I am mad at Kerry for this reason and this reason only. HE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM THE 2000 ELECTION!

Kerry and his people do not understand what they are up against. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT! Their number 1 enemy is not George Bush, it is the mainstreem media, especially the TV and Cable TV mainstreem media.

Take for instance 2 recent political stories/events.

The Swift Boat Vets for Truth come out with these lies about Kerry's military record and the mainstreem media gives it attention. Can you believe that? The Swift Boat Vets for truth have NO FACTS TO BACK UP THEIR STORY AND HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FLAT OUT LIEING ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING and the media still gives them the attention they want.

Then you have Bush's military record and it is an ugly one....his father gets him in the champaign unit where he HAS NO CHANCE OF GOING TO VIETNAM and then skips out on the Alabama national Guard. THERE IS PLENTY OF FACTS AND EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP yet the media for the most part gives it very little, if any, attention.

This tells you something is very fishy about the mainstreem media.

Then you have the Bush statement of "we cant win the war on terror." This is a major Bush flip flop yet the media says, "well he is right you know, you cant ever win this war." (by the way, when Kerry changes his mind the issue is never whether or not Kerry was right about the issue). And then Bush the next day flip flops again and says, "we will win the war on terror." And what does the media say about this?....."Bush CLARIFIED himself on this issue....." Now you can bet your first born child that if Kerry made such a mistatement the media would NEVER let him forget about it....they would be hammering away that this just proves that he is a big league flip flopper.

So this what we are dealing with. Kerry should know this. Kerry should know from the 2000 election that he cannot let a lie about him go unanswered for weeks hoping the media will take care of it for him. The media will never do that for him, only for the other guy. Kerry will not have the help from the media too push lies about him aside. Therefore, he has got to respon immediately and attack back. He does not understand this yet. Why? I have no idea.

Because of the ignorance by Kerry it is hurting him in the polls and could very well lose the election if he does not get his act together.

And please dont tell me not to preach to the Kerry campaign and that they are much smarter than I am and they know what they are doing. According to many reports even Kerry is very mad about all of this but his advisors hold him back from fighting. It is like a boxing trainor who ties one hand behind his fighter's back to fight the world champion. Ehy are thyey doign this.

FIGHT BACK MR. KERRY.....PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE UP AGAINST!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:45 AM
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25. Just remember, the Media is ignoring all the protests and anger in USA...
We don't exist for them, and they are like "Pravda" in the old Soviet Union. But the "People" will always have their day. The peasants with pitchforks are a powerful force.

The backlash against the media has started. Thousands of protestors shouting "Fox Sucks" as they marched by the Fox billboard in NYC. Have you heard a word about that in any of the media?

If you saw the NYC protests for four hours on C-Span, you would understand how corrupt our media is and feel better about things. Check out your Democratic Party County Site on the web and contact them. Unless you live in Mississipi or Alabama there's probably something you can do that will make you feel better. Or, just print of a Kerry/Edwards flyer and leave it on peoples doors. Take a neighborhood you feel comfortable doing this in, and go at it!

Someone put a home printed Kerry/Edwards flyer on my door this past weekend.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:19 AM
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28. Not depressed, but getting anxious.
I need Kerry to take some action soon.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:21 AM
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30. Nope. The times they are a changin'!
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:23 AM
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31. NO!
All you FUDders, grow some skin! This is politics, there are going to be ups and downs. At the end of the day, Kerry is in a great position to win this thing. What do you expect will happen during the RNC? During the DNC we were "flying high", now we have to sit and listen to their pablum, but come September 3rd you'll see a balls-to-the-wall Democratic attack machine like you've never seen before.



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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:36 AM
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33. I could Use a little Whine!
I've been a little upset about what seems to be some pull to the right lately, but more than that I have an anecdotal event that kind of made me gloomy last eve.

I had just finished watching The Girl Next Door for the second time with two of my closest friends. We were all pretty liberal, I've never lost my faith, but both of them have probably voted both ways, I'm guessing. But I put in OutFoxed and one friend went out to smoke, and immediately left, while another started arguing about Iraq, even putting forward the absurd idea partly spread by FOX that Americans torturing Iraqi's is OK, even if some of them are killed, just to save American lives. This upset me pretty bad, as I believe in the Geneva accords, and knowing most of these prisoners are innocent anyway, and how badly it stained our already tenuous relationship in the world, and I would want any of our enemies to not torture our soldiers. One friend left, and I just said, well I don't want to force you to watch this, and he said good, I got to turn in, and gave me the gruff sendoff.

I felt pretty down. Here I couldn't even get two lifetime friends to watch this show, and increasingly I see signs all around that the whole population is in the grip of the media, all of it, and are controlled, totally controlled by them, with the exception of a few.

I always contended the media screwed Dean, and influenced even Democrats to but a weak Senator, Kerry, with tons of stuff to attack, in over Dean, someone who had better grass-roots support, and less to attack. We see now how true it was, and how easily what was once our popular choice, was dislodged from our minds. Yea, I'm discouraged.

And how about the democrats, a sad lot, who no longer has a backbone. It's been broken by decades of corporate contributions and lobbyists, just like Republicans. The populism that used to win elections, and prevail over the social issues is no longer there. That, my friend, is the most depressing part. With two corporate parties, and no real representation of the people in our society, and the only guy who would really at least try to support things that help people, thoroughly demonized mostly by Democrats, I'm hovering just off the ground. It's a sad world we've gotten ourselves into.

Still, I suppose we are still in a lot better shape than the majority of the world, so in our regular lives, we can take heart in knowing most of us are fat, well-fed, and even the poorest have it better than 95% of the rest of the world. Hope Floats baby!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:42 AM
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34. For anyone who's depressed, read Plaid Adder's column on the home page.
It'll cheer you right up. Guaranteed.
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bringerofbroccoli Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:47 AM
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36. ROMNEY"LL Cheer you all up tonight...
Before Mitt Romney's speech tonight, check out the flash animation that the massachusetts democratic party has put out..."jobs free".

www.massdems.org

It's hilarious.

My goal: to discredit Romney and his cheap political ploys before he speaks tonight.

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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:44 AM
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35. No.
It's just a fucking convention. We have two more months till the election.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 AM
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38. Depressed? No, not really!
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 10:49 AM by hatrack
If we assume the RNC is the official preview of coming attractions (and I think we safely can), what the first two days have shown is that the Bushbollah organization is the ultimate one-note Charley.

War, terror, fear, war, terror, fear (rinse, lather, repeat). Aside from the unintentionally hilarious efforts to "humanize" Bush and Cheney, there is nothing else for them to talk about. And I don't think the 6,000 United employees fired just today (like millions of other Americans) are going to be soothed by further mention of 9/11.

As for the media, fuck 'em. Gore won without them last time, Kerry can win without them this time.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 10:51 AM
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39. Well, you can expect Kerry to lay low and a poll bounce for *
Lets take the wait and see approach to this one. It would be silly for Kerry to give them current fodder for attack while they have the stage.

What irratates me is that they just simply .... lie. Without even thinking about it. Like bushwad saying "I want to be remembered as the peacetime president" huh?

They have no connection between their words and reality; they remind me of playing children who say "i am a cowboy" "now i am a space man" all the while believing it and expecting others to do the same.

I have not been able to watch much, it has been to nauseating. Last night one butt'ole said "we are the party of individual rights and civil liberties" huh?

Lets get through this and hope for the best.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 11:35 AM
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42. No. eom
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 12:26 PM
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43. I agree totally and
am also depressed and not optimistic.
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