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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:00 AM
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Rope a dope
I don't know what all of the FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) around here is all about.

1) The Repukes are getting over confident, at least in the mass media space. When you are over confident, you make mistakes. "catastrophic success" "can't win war on terror" this is great stuff!

2) Job reports will not be kind to Bush.

3) Kerry has essentially spent nothing in the last few weeks.

4) While some polls may trend Bush*, we are basically still at a dead heat everywhere.

Combine that with the fact that Kerry is a great closer, I like our chances.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:10 AM
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1. I want some of what you are having
Thanks for the post, I was feeling kinda blue.

OK, here's a list of what I know:

I know the nation always trends toward the liberal side.

I know the nation does not like a religious fundamentalist as a leader.

I know the nation doesn't like it when the government rips them off.

I know the nation doesn't like needless and ill fought wars.

Knowing all that, why the hell does the GOP still have support?!?!?!

:wtf:
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:15 AM
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2. There is a lot of fear out there
We need to make sure any fear out there, rooted in the Bush* admins hostage taking of the American public over "terra" is overweighed by the fear of having these idiots run our country for another four years. It is up to Kerry to get that message across.

I hope Dean gets more involved. Every time he is on a talk show he just rips the other side to shreds. Makes Terry McAuliffe look really bad, IMHO.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:29 AM
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7. Boy... Terry.... arrrrgh!
He gets on my nerves and is the one thing about the Democrats that really rubs me the wrong way.

I actually like Kerry and Edwards. I also like to almost love Kuchinich and Dean -- they are where this party should be going IMO. And I LOVE the Democrat rank and file. But that damn McAuliffe needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that it does not follow that we should conduct our business like the morally corrupt GOP.

The rank and file of the Democrats are not the Terry McAuliffe's of the world!

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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:20 AM
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4. Ignore the national polls.
They include Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, etc. and also CA and New York. Instead, keep track of polls from battleground States. This is where the election will be won.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:42 AM
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11. True but if CA flops to * all bets are off.
I'm kinda worried by it, CA seems to be gripped in some serious insanity right now. And though that does not mean * will win, it does mean that anything can and will happen. Murphy's Law will be in high effect over there in November.

But on the good side of the CA story, I've been hearing that the Dem base over there is really fired up.

Hell the base is pretty fired up here in Chicago and its still a forgone conclusion that Kerry will take the city in a walk. I see Kerry/Edwards signs, buttons and stickers everywhere here. I see Obama stuff just as much, and often the two right next to each other in the same window. On rare occasions I see a Chimpy/Skeletor 04 sticker, but its always defaced. And this is down in the Loop for crying out loud!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:28 AM
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6. The GOP has support only from poll adjustments.
Every pollster has to weight their results based on what percentage of respondents of a certain party are more "likely" to vote. Of course all they have to go on there is historical trends. And that's the failure of polls - I don't know how anyone can deny the Democratic base is more fired up than ever before. We WILL get more people to the polls this year, and Kerry WILL win by at least 5 percentage points.

Hell, probably even more when you consider that the Republican base might just suffer from depressed turnout, since a lot of true-blue conservatives hate how * is spending money and involving us in unnecessary conflicts.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:35 AM
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10. Keep the love goin'!
But what, exactly, is a "true-blue conservative? Cons and Neocons have become so blurred and confusing now that I can hardly tell the difference.

It seems to me, that the Neocons are trying to take the mantle of "conservative" and push all the conservatives to the label of "moderate" and say all the GOP "moderates" are actually "liberals" Then they say the Dem liberals are "left wingers" and the liberals are "left wing extremists" and so on and so on.

I'm not sure how they accomplished this, I guess they figured out exactly the correct type of propaganda that Americans are susceptible to. But I do marvel at their "ballz nasty" (whoo-hoo! got a Frank Miller Dark Knight Returns reference in there!) ambition and drive. Its truly awe inspiring, but not shocking.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:17 AM
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3. Welcome, d4b!
Keep posting like this!
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:27 AM
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5. How in the god damn hell could anyone
be fucking happy that their candidate was in a dead heat with a fuck-up like bush*??
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:30 AM
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8. How? Here's how.
Incumbent Presidents need to be further ahead at this point in order to win in November. Bush* isn't. I'm fucking happy about that. It's a good place for us to be.
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 09:32 AM
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9. Agreed
Everyone in the media always takes jabs at Kerry for his position in the polls, if it isn't the "bounce" canard after the convention, it is something else. Never do I hear: "THIS IS A F-ING INCUMBENT PRESIDENT WHO HALF OF THE ELECTORATE LITERALLY HATES"
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