Democrats helping to perpetuate the myth that Iraq was involved with 9-11?

[Q]

- Once again Democrats have allowed Republicans to adopt the mantle of Defenders of the Nation while branding their opposition as 'weak' on national security.

- How is this possible when the facts show:

...that the Bush* Government didn't spend one minute defending the US against terrorism before 9-11?

...that 9-11 happened on Bush's* watch after spending a month on vacation and ignoring an August briefing stating that 'bin Laden was determined to attack...'?

...that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism on American soil?

- With a wink and a nod both parties and the American media have accepted that Iraq was and is an essential part of the 'war on terrorism'.

- Lack of direct opposition and correction of the record by Democrats has allowed the Bush* Cabal to claim that the 'Bush* Doctrine of preemptive (aggressive) war' is a valid approach to fighting a war against terrorism.

- Whether by sins of omission or sins of commission, Democrats have blood on their hands and are equally responsible for the phony war on terrorism. They're giving this election to Bush* because Iraq and the 'war on terrorism' will be pivotal issues in November.

[Q]

1. Kick for the night owls...

...comments?

[manic expression]

2. Really good points

It's really sad that everyone forgets the facts as they happened. Everything you said there is true and no one, especially a lot of Democrats, are speaking out. I don't know if the dems are afraid of the right-wing slime machine, or if people know that the American public is way too ignorant to even attempt to accept the truth before its all over. I am getting fed up with the fact that the Democratic party continues to grab its ankles when it should be fighting Bush and his gang every step of the way.
Do not forget the impact of the media, who are acting as if they are paid employees of the right-wing.
All of this just makes our fight that much harder.

[Q]

17. I realize Rove is overrated...

...but his entire strategy depends upon the memory hole and the short attention span of Americans. He knows that most Americans have probably already forgotten about 2000...when Gore was smeared and elections were stolen.

- It's one thing for a candidate to feel they have to support the war for...whatever reason. It's quite another to lie about why we're there. It's an outright lie that we're 'fighting the war on terrorism' there and Dems should come right out and say it.

[Nordic]

3. "well at least Bush beat the shit out of SOMEbody dark-skinned"

That's how these people think.

They don't care that he attacked the wrong country. They don't care that Iraq was all about money.

These people are too stupid to realize that attacking Iraq has made us weak, not strong.

We are more vulnerable now, as a country, than we have ever been in my lifetime (I'm 43). Thanks to Bush.

Where's our military? Defending the country? No. It's tied down in Iraq.

Where are the terrorists? Hiding out in Pakistan, where even Pakistan is saying "uhh, you guys in the U.S.? We could sure use a little help here in getting these terrorists who attacked you. Hello? United States? Are you there?"

Idiots. Fools. My countrymen.

[manic expression]

6. the people of America never cease to depress me

If they would only look at the truth that's lying right in front of them. If they would only question what they're told. If they would only open their mouths and express a contrary opinion.
I want to get up somewhere and scream:
"WAKE UP!!!! Look what's happening to you! DO SOMETHING!!!"...
I wish people could just think a little bit. That's all that's needed for change.

[Q]

18. It's the old 'bait and switch'...

...and I still don't understand how the Bushies pulled it off. In fact...they were in deep trouble about 'attacking the wrong country' until DLC Dems agreed with them that 'taking out Saddam' was worth the trouble. But that's not true either. Removing the bad man Saddam hasn't been worth the thousands of lives lost and the pillaging of our treasury.

[madfloridian]

4. One man speaks up on it , but that is not enough.

His is just one voice.

[Zorra]

5. Bu$h can not win this election. He can only steal it. All major polls

favor republicans, and statistically favor republicans. This is because many young people between age 18 and 29, who statistically favor Kerry over Bu$h 2 to 1 and represent 1 out of 6 American voters, do not have a landline telephone or their own residence because they can not afford them.

So all major polls are statistically skewed toward republicans.

[madfloridian]

7. Even if we win, Iraq needs to be addressed.

Somebody has to say it was not tied to 9/11.

[manic expression]

8. I do believe

that little somebody was the 9/11 Commission. Never overestimate the American public. It seems the truth has little effect on a lot of people.

[madfloridian]

11. Actually I was thinking of Dean...he says it everytime he appears.

:hi:

[Q]

19. Of course Bush* can't win this election...

...but he CAN stay in office. The American media is already spreading the 'foregone conclusion' rhetoric so that a 'close race' can cover any election fraud.

- People tend to believe polls that say that they want them to say.

[Tatiana]

9. Edwards should have NEVER said we could "win" the "war on terra."

It's not winnable.

You can't have a "war" on terror. A war on terror is an endless, perpetual war.

We are adopting and acquiescing to THEIR ideals, beliefs, and language instead of inserting our own.

[manic expression]

10. We can only win

with a completely different attitude. Build hospitals and schools in poor nations in the name of human progress. Help the people of the Islamic world (and other regions, as well) only with the objective of bettering others' lives. Do things for what is truly RIGHT, not for power or money or nationalism. When we actually make sacrifices for others, people will love us. Right now, we are only giving reasons for people to hate us (justifiably), to rise up (justifiably) against us and to use any means necessary to defeat us (terrorism). Terrorism comes from the desperation of people who hate us. Help others, and be helped in return.
By the way: Edwards only said that to get votes from the ignorant American public.

[Tatiana]

13. Agreed.

And I know Edwards only said that to get votes from the uninformed American public. But how about educating the uninformed, so we don't have to pander to their ignorance?

This is not the way to go. Kerry knows what we have to do to stop terror. He knows about investigating the banking industry and the financial institutions terrorists use. Dry up the terrorist funds and see how well the terrorists are able to practice terrorism. Invading and bombing the hell out of countries isn't always the best strategy.

I'm so sick of us caving in. For once, we should just stand up for what is RIGHT, not for what is politically correct or politically expedient. Sure, some say that's a losing strategy, but no one knows for sure, because we've never tried. We've never consistently stood up and told the right NO.

[Q]

20. The war on 'terror' can't be 'won' any more than the 'war on drugs'...

...both are perpetual wars fought for the sake of INDUSTRIES and corporations. Bush* was actually telling the truth when he said it couldn't be won...but WINNING has never been the point.

[K-W]

12. Its the media, not the democrats.

Have they made major mistakes, almost certainly. But they are dealing with political movement that has been growing in power since the Nixon Administration. They are trying to do thier jobs while an incredible electoral machine rolls over them. Meanwhile, due to the propagandic actions of the right wing, for a period of time, it was very difficult for liberal dems to get elected. The party fallowed the elections and went right. These powers are bigger than the democratic leadership is in any position to direct. They are on the defensive and there is nothing wrong with cutting them some slack. The real enemy is the one who destroyed the media, who destroyed the labor movement, and who destroyed the social fabric of our nation. The democrats are victims, victims in some case of thier ignorance or misjudgement, yes, but victims far more of the right win.

[manic expression]

15. yes, but....

The Democrats need to start pushing for something better. It seems they are very afraid of the repercussions of speaking their mind. They need to forget about all the right-leaning media and just do what's right. Maybe they'll get elected out (probably not with an incumbency rate around 98%), who cares? If they stand up for what they should be standing up for, the slime of the right will do nothing to phase us. 1 vote against the PATRIOT ACT. ONE VOTE. ONE OPPOSING VOTE. Almost no opposition to the "War President's" wars against "terra" (aka anything the cons want to attack), the people of Afghanistan, the people of Iraq and everything in between. What happened to opposition in government? The dems need to try to shake everyone up, one way or another.

[K-W]

16. But they have been punished so much for trying that.

And yes things are shifting and should be at the point where they can dare to be liberal again, but its going be a slow process convincing them of that. Making a bib mistake in poltics could destroy a party so they are very cautious. They know they are in a bad spot but they just need to feel sure that backing away what seemed to be the winningest forumla (DLC, which succeeded because it worked) because in the long run is eroding the party wont be a major mistake. So its going to take time, but if we keep fighting thier shift will build momentum and we will have the thing we all are missing, a political movement.

But we must have patience in the system. Just ask the republicans, it can be manipulated, you just have to put in the work.

[Q]

21. I agree that the 'free press' has been pushing this war from the beginning

...starting with their pre-war coverage in which they had mostly pro-war 'experts' speak on the issue.

- I also agree that Dems are victims...but the problem is that they have adopted the attitude of the victimized. They've been kicked down so many times that they act submissive before a relentless smear machine and a media that wants their opposition in office.

- But isn't it better to serve in heaven than rule in hell?

[DemonFighterLives]

14. Dems do seem lackluster

Why couldn't we have Dean running? I mean, I can vote for Kerry, but Dean had the voice of the people and was willing to question this misadministration on every venture.

[Q]

22. There's nothing wrong with Kerry...

...that a little backbone wouldn't cure. But unfortunately...he's taking the advice of the DLC...a conservative Dem 'think tank' who gave the same kind of 'just be positive and don't rock the boat' advice to Gore. It wasn't until AFTER the 2000 selection that Gore realized he had been duped. I had hoped that Kerry would have learned something from that experience.

[Brewman_Jax]

23. Great points!

But they aren't being voiced. The republican bastards hate facts and they hate the truth. Put those concerns and notes under the spotlight and watch them squirm.

You're right, all they have to do is show some backbone and stand up to these bullies! :thumbsup:

[Q]

24. In many ways...it may be too late to put them in the 'spotlight'...

...because the Democratic leadership have already taken a position on the Iraq 'war'. Everyone wants to look like a 'patriot' and not get in the way of the War Machine.

- I have to admit: the PNACers and Neocons have played this perfectly...in the way they invented a threat and then manipulated the opposition into going along at the risk being labeled as 'weak on terrorism' and national security. (Something they will accuse them of no matter what they do).

- Of course the irony here is that Iraq has little or nothing to do with the war on terrorism.

[Q]

25. Also...what happened to the terrorist Anthrax killer?

...and where is bin Laden? Why isn't this an issue? Bush* claims he's the only one that can successfully fight the terrorists....but hasn't laid a glove on those supposedly responsible for 911 and those responsible for Death By Anthrax.

- The truth? The Bush* government invented the 'war on terrorism' but are fighting a completely different 'war'...one that has nothing to do with winning or terrorism.

- It's easy for Bush* to convince his mush-head followers that he's the greatest thing since Jesus Christ. But the Democratic leadership should know better than to appease this false prophet.

[sangh0]

26. Let me guess

You think the Anthrax killer was a Democrat

[CWebster]

27. Doesn't seem like the Dems are spearheading much

of an opposition since on so many of the major issues they are either triangulating the Repug message, in general agreement except for the deatails or the subject is taboo.

ABB is all that's left. Let's hope it's all it takes.

[Q]

28. Sometimes I wonder if ABB will be enough...

...considering that GOPers 'own' the media and the message?

- We live in a time when the 'Wizard of Oz' is lauded as a great leader and protecter of the people...but no one is allowed to look behind the curtain and find the truth. The shame here is that Bush's* opposition have their hand on the curtain and can pull it back and expose the fraud at any time...but they won't or can't do it.

[Q]

29. This topic had nothing to do with 'campaign 2004...

...so why did you move it?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

30. My opinion as to why they're not speaking out...

can be summed up in one seven letter word: anthrax.
Conisdering that they've not caught the person who mailed out the anthrax, which I believe came from a US military base, I'm wondering if the mailings weren't part of a "shut up or this goes to your family's house next" type of threat.
I'm leaning towards it being a 100% BushCo operation, that turned Daschle into a mewling kittycat (apologies to all cat lovers, myself included) whenever Bush* wants something done. If they didn't do it, then they sure used it to their advantage, since the assassin hasn't been caught, and Daschle has rolled over on practically everything they've wanted.