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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:46 AM
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Poll: Racial 'Misgivings' Steer Some White Voters Away from Obama: PREJUDICE


Racial misgivings. What a load of CRAP. Prejudice. Racism. Hate. Fear. Ignorance.

Wtf? Why the hell are they coddling these ignorant assholes and putting a gentle name on it? These idiots are destroying this nation.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

Do go to the site, and see the racial 'misgivings' chart.


Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama
By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.



More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.

Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

"There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.

The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.

The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.

The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.

Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.

Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.

Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.

Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

But in an election without precedent, it's hard to know if such models take into account all the possible factors at play.

The AP-Yahoo News poll used the unique methodology of Knowledge Networks, a Menlo Park, Calif., firm that interviews people online after randomly selecting and screening them over telephone. Numerous studies have shown that people are more likely to report embarrassing behavior and unpopular opinions when answering questions on a computer rather than talking to a stranger.

Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.

"We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57, reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.

Given a choice of several positive and negative adjectives that might describe blacks, 20 percent of all whites said the word "violent" strongly applied. Among other words, 22 percent agreed with "boastful," 29 percent "complaining," 13 percent "lazy" and 11 percent "irresponsible." When asked about positive adjectives, whites were more likely to stay on the fence than give a strongly positive assessment.

Among white Democrats, one third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.

The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."

Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.

Among white independents, racial stereotyping is not uncommon. For example, while about 20 percent of independent voters called blacks "intelligent" or "smart," more than one third latched on the adjective "complaining" and 24 percent said blacks were "violent."

Nearly four in 10 white independents agreed that blacks would be better off if they "try harder."

The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.

Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.

Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.

Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.

The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.

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Associated Press writers Nancy Benac, Julie Carr Smyth, Philip Elliot, Julie Pace and Sonya Ross contributed to this story.

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On the Net:

Polling site: http://news.yahoo.com/polls
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:47 AM
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1. Its time for the last card
and that is RACE,

oh look he is BLACK......
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:53 AM
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4. Yep. The thing everybody keeps saying for some reason has
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 07:53 AM by Solomon
absolutely no bearing on this race. LOL "Why isn't he twenty points ahead?" "Gee, I don't know Jim, I think it's because he's elistist and doesn't connect with the voters somehow".
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:48 AM
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2. why are people shocked by this?
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:50 AM
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3. Another reason why this eleection is so important. The cards are aligned for us to elect a...
...black man. Let's get this done. Someone of Obama's many talents will do more to dispel these prejudices, and raise up minorities. This is not a reason to fret, it is what we are trying to fix.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:55 AM
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5. love your energy and that's just how I feel,,,race is not a reason to fret, it's what we are trying
to fix! The racial framing of this race was bound to rear up these last few weeks. McSame has tried everything else and Faux is all out new material. So the race card will be played prominently and we cannot flinch in our quest to make sure that the best man (Barack) is elected.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:44 AM
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16. Far be it for me to rain on your parade but merely electing Obama is not going to dispel prejudices
nor will it raise up minorities. It will merely produce yet another "exceptional" person of color who the bigots will consider "not like the rest of those people." That's how it worked in the past and that's how it works now. And those idiots who think that blacks will have it better if they just "try harder" (what the hell does that mean anyway? Try harder at what? Not being so black?) will continue to live in complete ignorance at how pervasive white privilege is in this country.

Regards
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 08:23 AM
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17. I disagree...Of course Obama cannot solve prejudice, but his candidacy is a sign of progress, and
will make a difference. The bigots are not the target, the idea is to grow fewer bigots. Exposure to diversity is a powerful way to move the majority forward, role models are a powerful means for minorities. I am not pie in the sky, but have seen minorities get greater access to where I work (a University) and it has been a substantive positive change for all involved over the past 20 years. I am hoping for similar trends more broadly in our society.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:36 AM
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6. Skeptism is starting in reference to this "poll'.
My colleague David Paul Kuhn, a serious poll junkie, has an interesting catch:

The AP study also seems to have been conducted among a population of Democrats more skeptical of Obama than normal. While both the ABC News /Washington Post polls and the massive weekly summaries of the Gallup Poll show that since late August between 83 and 85 percent of Democrats say they will vote for Obama, the AP study interviewed a population where only seven in 10 Democrats said they support Obama.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith /


btw....this is the 4th post on this story that I have seen here at DU. Ron Fourney is a giant asshole, and I'm not sure why folks are rushing here to post his tripe....
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:59 AM
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7. Anyone who lives among the idiots of this country
know that some of them are not going to vote for Obama because of his skin color. We don't need to have idiots that take biased polls to tell us that. We also know that his race is covertly being mentioned by the cain and pain people to get across the message that he is Black, just in case they have not noticed.

I have had people ask me, because I live where everyone is not white :eyes: if the African Americans will riot if Obama wins. I have told them that they better worry more about if he does not win and then I will be in the streets with them. ;)

Of course I will have to arrange for someone to push me along in my wheelchair when we did the marches. I am tired of the stupidity of this country and some of the people that exist in it. If I thought I would live long enough, I would think about starting my own sub-culture. ;)
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:44 AM
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9. McPalin's next ad campaign: "Obama is black!"
:rofl:

Of course some whites consider race a deal-breaker, but they're by and far Republican to begin with, and I'm skeptical of this '3 in 10' number, except maybe in WV, which is heavily unionized but bigoted. And I have family there who have expressed as much, before people pile on me.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:12 AM
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8. And we're not talking of conquering normal prejudice, but the vicious, scary lying kind.
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 02:13 AM by MarjorieG
stoked by ads and media
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:47 AM
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10. Author RON FOURNIER and now this poll has been put up 14 times today
14 times
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:21 AM
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11.  BULLSHIT. n/t
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:24 AM
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12. Lets see - A percentage of Dems won't vote for Obama
because they wanted Clinton.
A percentage of Dems won't vote for Obama becvause they think he was nasty to Cilnton.

A percentage of Dems won't vote for Obama because he's elitist.
A percentage of Dems won't vote for Obama becauwse he's inexperienced.

And now a percentage of Dems won't vote for Obama because they have just discovered he's black.

I guess no one will vote for him based on these so-called polls.

Be honest - even if Obama were only half as good a candidate as he really is, who the hell would be asshole enough to vote for McCain.
Does any real Democrat feel that McCain is a good choice for our next president?

This is all manupulation and bullshit.

mark
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:27 AM
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13. Bullshit is correct. It appears that there are going to be "corrections made"
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 05:27 AM by FrenchieCat
Read the following analysis by Al Giordano of Ron Fournier's 9/20/08 racist article titled: "Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"

The AP’s Ron Fournier: Racial Arsonist and Unethical Journalist
September 20, 2008 at 1:44 pm
By Al Giordano

"Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks - many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles."

- Ron Fournier, Associated Press, September 20, 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

"Theorem: The amount of time conservatives spend talking about the Bradley Effect is inversely proportional to the fortunes of their candidate.

"

- Nate Silver, September 19, 2008

Today's AP story wasn't exactly about the so-called "Bradley Effect" or "Wilder Effect," a popular theory in the 1980s and 1990s that posited that some white Americans lie to pollsters claiming they will support African-American candidates but vote then against them in the secrecy of the ballot box.

The theory - if it was true back then - has been very thoroughly disproved in recent years, and today we'll walk you through all the documentation you need to debunk it when asked about it by others.

But with the McCain-Palin ticket sinking in the polls, and the financial crisis sucking the oxygen out of the culture war "issues" on all sides, with the economy now front and center as the dominant campaign issue, we're hearing increasing mention of the so-called "Bradley Effect," the so-called "Wilder Effect," the so-called "Bradley-Wilder Effect" (all names for the same 20th century theory).

And now, the Associated Press and its unethical reporter Ron Fournier are transparently attempting to turn the November election (and, if their attempted arson is successful, its aftermath for years to come) into a wedge to divide, polarize and set back race relations in the United States of America more than four decades.

Everybody take a deep breath and repeat after me: The race card is not working. It's not going to work. And we're not going to take the bait being dangled out in front of us by racially prejudiced provocateurs like Fournier: he wants us to spread his gasoline to make his arson fire bigger; we're going to hose water on it - and on him - instead.

Read the rest at the link: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ap%E2%80%99s-ron-fournier-racial-arsonist-and-unethical-journalist

money quotes....

"In fact, if we review the actual poll - rather than Fournier's spin - it provides very good news for those that want Obama to win.

In the real data from the AP poll, Obama's favorable-to-negative rating (54 percent favorable to 41 negative, or 13+) is better than McCain's (50 to 42, or 8+). And Obama towers over McCain among those that have a "very favorable" opinion of each candidate, with 30 percent to just 13 for McCain.

Obama leads this poll (which casts a net much wider than "likely voters" or even "registered voters"): Obama 40 percent to 35 for McCain. Bob Barr receives one percent support and Ralph Nader, 2 percent.

If you take away the undecideds, that's Obama 51.2 percent to McCain 44.8 percent with third party candidates getting the remaining four percent."

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:57 AM
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14. Dementia 'Misgivings' Steer Some Sane Voters Away from McCain
It's a terrible prejudice that might cause sane voters to cast asparagus on McCain's dementia.

Even with the history of great world leaders who led magnificently though they were a few cards short of a full deck:
Ivan the Terrible
Mad King Ludwig of Bavaria
George III of England
Pol Pot
Kim Jung Il
to name a few shining examples.

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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:11 AM
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15. AP is horrible, I saw this article and gasped...
...trying to say it's 'okay' as a democrat to be a racist, everyone else is.

How disgusting.
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