What if Bush wins the popular vote & loses the electoral vote?

[Paragon]

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[Worst Username Ever]

1. Then its just-deserts.

[wryter2000]

2. Lordy

Who knows? I guess he still owns the Supreme Court.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

3. then he is screwed, isn't he? we have precedence for that now

I'd love that. What whining there would be!

[Frodo]

4. He would go home to Texas.

Rules are rules.


Most people don't remember, but this was actually predicted as a significant possibility for 2000.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. Then you'll hear all the repubs saying we need to do away with the EC.

Bet on it.

[Catfight]

6. BAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

It'll never happen, didn't happen four years ago, won't happen this year. The only supporters are the die-hard fanatical fans, just like Saddams loyalist. No difference.

PS: Anyone hear about Osma Bin Laden anymore? Is he on vacation too?

[Clinton Crusader]

9. Osama Bin Forgotten

until maybe October 15th - wink wink....

nah too obvious, right?
:kick:

[Bluzmann57]

7. That'd be just too bad for him

and it would be poetic justice for Kerry. Maybe bush could call Gore and ask him for advice. And maybe Gore could tell him to bend over and take it.

[PA Democrat]

8. He will take it to the Supreme Court

I read that they were worried about that very thing happening to Bush in 2000 and had a legal strategy concocted to question the validity of the EC. Do not underestimate the lengths these crooks will go to steal another election.

[calico1]

10. The winner of the electoral votes is

the next President. If that were to happen, maybe Al Gore would offer him some sympathy. Ya think? ROFL!

[NV1962]

11. "Get over it - your guy lost" (but of course, no need: JFK in landslide!)

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Did you know that in 2000

the bushies thought that was what was going to happen and they were
greared up to legally challenge Gore's electoral victory. When they lost the popular vote OMG they flop-flipped and turned their legal resources to argue the opposite position.

[Frodo]

16. BOTH side "flip flopped"

I'm not sure whether the archives go back far enough, but until about a week prior to the election it was the EXPECTATION that IF Gore were to win, it would be by eking out an EC victory from a PV defeat.

Nobody here had ANY problem with the Electoral College at that time. And the Gore campaign specifically commented in favor of the system.

Of course anyone who "loses" after a popular vote victory is going to have some sour grapes.


But one disagreement - there can be no "legal challenge" to the Electoral College. There is no basis on which to challenge it. Bush could not have and Gore did not try.

[Ready4Change]

13. Get ready for a fight.

Remember, there are elements in the Republican party who don't give a single god-damn about election laws. All they care about is winning, whatever the cost.

Remember the Republican Riot in Miami-Dade that halted that counties recounting of votes? Those Republicans didn't even come from that country. Many weren't even residents of FLORIDA. But they came, they stormed the offices, and they shut down the recount.

And to the best of my recollection, not one of them has been prosecuted for interfering with an election.

If Bush wins the popular and looses the electorial you can count on there being trouble, both legal and non-legal, peaceful and violent. They've no reason to fear retribution, as they recieved none in 2000.

The only hope for an un-questioned Kerry win is for a true, obvious landslide that no amount of protesting, no amount of voter manipulation, and no amount of vote tampering, electronic or otherwise, can cover up.

[Frodo]

19. That event is commonly mis-remembered.

I think it was just the completely out-of-character picture of a bunch of suited yuppies protesting ANYTHING. Republicans just aren't any good at it and look pretty... "silly" when they try. Heck, just watch their convention, they can't even get a decent "four more years!" chant going. They just lack the skill set. :-)


If you remember Miami Dade's "shutdown". The counters decided to move back to a closed room away from public viewing to more efficiently count the votes. I'm sure there was no evil intent on their part, but the law said that such events MUST take place in public (which I'm sure we would all have agree with if it weren't for the time-sensitive rush to count those votes). Their wimpy "protest" resulted in the canvassing board "shutting down counting" just long enough to comply with the law. Had they not, Bush would have had another (this time legitimate) ground for appealing any changed results.

[Ready4Change]

23. Question?

My recollection was that they stopped the recount, and it stayed down until the Supremes pretty much ordered that the recount not be performed. If not, what did happen there?

[Frodo]

24. Ok, my recollection is a tad off.

But it was correct in essence. The protestors were poitning out an illegal activity (which, were it not damaging to our chances, we would support)


There was a deadline involved and the supervisor determined they couldn't finish the job on time at the current pace. So they decided to move off the 18th floor (where there was a public conference room counting going on) to a 19th floor room where they could work faster (and hopefully meet the deadline). When the protest pointed out that they could not legally meet out of the public eye like that (even if it was the only way to get it done quickly enough), they call off the counting because they could not finish by the deadline.

In their defense, the head of the commission said "I was concerned that what we were doing was not being perceived as a fair and open process" and that the decision was unanimous. They also claimed the decision was not due to protester pressure, but the pressure of time.

[Ready4Change]

25. Sorry, more questions?

Seems your memory is better than mine. :) It might be sparking my own.

I'm remembering something about them having to move upstairs, because the noise of the protestors was slowing the recount. When they moved upstairs, the protestors then followed them. I'm remembering accounts at that point disagreed as to whether the protesters physically interfered with the recount?

I've also looked for the pic of the Republicans protestors in Miami Dade. Anyone have a link? I suspect that will also have a better recollection of what happened. Thanks.

[Frodo]

26. Happy to supply you with a picture

Look at these guys! Obviously neve been to a protest in their life. Several of them look like someone told them to "take off your jackets and ties!" to make them look real.


The recount there also had another problem. There was a dispute about whether they had to recount ALL of the ballots or just those that were in dispute. When they determined the former, they knew they had an impossible task.

Of course you may remember that the Miami-Dade ballots WERE later recounted by the media consortium and it wasn't a help.

[Ready4Change]

27. Thanks for the link.

Refreshing my memory now. :) With my memory, that'll take a while.

I recall someone had that same pic, but with the names and jobs of 10 or so of the people in it?

[yellowcanine]

14. You can be sure Rove/Baker would be armtwisting to get a few Kerry

electors to vote for Bush/Cheney. It could get very ugly. Is Zig-zag Zell a Dem elector from Georgia?

[renotyme]

15. as long as he loses who cares about the numbers

flush that turdya

[Catherine Vincent]

17. That would never happen.

A republican will either win the popular and the electoral vote but never just the popular vote. Only a democrat can win that, imo.

[Frodo]

20. That's incorrect. It's MORE likely to happen that way.

The easiest (read - "most statisticly likely") way to have an EC victory while losing the popular vote is to win the large states by just a handfull of votes while losing in the majority of states. It would be less likely to squeeze out tiny wins in a large number of small states but lose the large states in a landslide.

[moondust]

18. Congress will quickly act to banish the EC retroactive to Nov. 1.

[Frodo]

21. Creative - but not possible.

Congress can't amend the Constitution by itself.

What they COULD do is falsely call in to question the results in a number of states and try to throw the election in to the House.

[moondust]

22. I dunno.

These clowns are liable to throw the Constitution in the dumpster and declare themselves the SUPREME RULERS OF THE WORLD FOR ALL TIME.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. I'll eat my hat and cheer Kerry's inauguration

[aquart]

29. We'll laugh ourselves sick.

Like it could ever happen.

[RedEarth]

30. That's fine with me