Buchanan: (paraphrasing) "If their is no plan it will be the Democrats fault."

[Miss Chybil]

"They don't need 100 Republicans for cover. They should just make this plan work." Then he says, "The American people don't want this plan. That's why the conservative Republicans are against it."

WTF? If Dems don't get the cover they need AND the stipulations they want, there should be NO PLAN!

Buchanan wants Dems to vote for a plan so if/when it goes wrong he and his Republican friends can blame us for it! It was a Republican president and his cronies who came out and said the sky is falling and that we need a plan. Now, we're supposed to take full responsibility for their freaking mess? In more ways than one? Not only do we (all Americans) have to bail these Republican asses out, but we (Democrats) are supposed to take the blame for doing so? This is TOTALLY F'D UP!

Republicans are tricky, tricky, tricky. I hope our guys don't fall for it.

(I posted this as a reply in the "John McCain is in a box" thread, but since it doesn't really apply to that topic, I'm reposting here.)

[msongs]

1. so where's the DEMS/obama pre-emptive media blitz? like the "suspended" campaign that

isnt? the words we need to use are lie, scam, and fraud on that phoney baloney but mccain is getting away with it just the same.

Msongs
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[The Gunslinger]

2. I've been calling this the October surprise.

Notice how the republicans have positioned themselves on both sides of the issue. That way The Democrats will get blamed if there is failure, and if successful, Bush and by extension McCain will get the credit.

[Georgiadawg]

3. I think you are right....

The Republicans want to portray themselves as on the side of the taxpayer and make the democrats look bad. Here's the response about the bailout I got from my republican congressman...


Thank you for contacting me with your comments regarding the bailout proposal. I appreciate the benefit of having your views on the issue.

I am trying to find a common sense market-based solution to this problem, as I believe we have to do something to avoid a total economic collapse. However, we have yet to see a legislative proposal regarding these issues.

I am working with the Republican leadership to try and find a way to solve this problem that will not put tax payers on the hook, does not reward the people who have caused this to occur, and one that will strengthen our economy.

I believe a sound economic and market-based solution is possible if we can get it considered by the Democratic leadership. They have blocked all of our efforts thus far. They seem to be playing politics with this issue, dragging it out over a long period of time. I even wonder if they actually want to see these severe economic problems to continue or maybe even get worse, thinking that it may help them politically.

We must put partisanship aside and find solutions to protect the hardworking American people. Rest assured that I will continue to work towards that end. Please let me know of any suggestions that you might have.

Thank you for contacting me with your thoughts and concerns,

[Miss Chybil]

7. Holy flippen sh*t! What a GRAND OLD LIE!

How do they do this? If only the cause and effect of karma could just single these liars out... I'm afraid this kind of stuff is simply going to bring us all down with the ship. So much for "Country First."

Edit to add: Welcome to DU! :bounce:

[Georgiadawg]

8. where do they get this stuff?

It's so transparent, isn't it?

Thanks! :) I've been lurking for years

[Miss Chybil]

10. They've had a lot of practice "catapulting propaganda."

They plain, old baldface lie. Without shame. The Democrats have been very willing, maybe too willing, to make this plan work. For him to say they are blocking it makes me wonder how long his nose is.

[tabatha]

4. "there is no plan"

"their" means of them.

[The Magistrate]

5. You Are Quite Right, Ma'am

The longer the people who proposed this in the first place, the Republicans, shilly-shally around over details not wholly to their liking, the more obvious it becomes hurry is not necessary.

The changes the Democrats have proposed, that the Treasury get a substantial stake in return for its money, and profits from success of the venture, and that the actions of Treasury officials be subject to oversight from Congress, and law enforcement, along with limitations on executive pay and regulation to prevent this kind of problem in the future, are sound, and do not hamper in the least the actual delivery of liquidity to the credit market. If there was an actual emergency, requiring speedy, immediate action to flood the credit market with liquidity lest disaster strike within a few days, there would be no hesitation to accept these conditions with the money.

Anyone who insists money be turned over immediately, in a desperate hurry, right now, is running a con: it really is that simple.

[ReadTomPaine]

6. "Anyone who insists money be turned over immediately, in a desperate hurry"..."is running a con"

Bingo. :thumbsup:

[juajen]

9. I so totally agree, Magistrate. I believe it's obvious.

It truly is a game they're playing. We should take our ball and go home.

[Miss Chybil]

14. The con became even more obvious tonight when the House Republicans

refused to attend the bailout meeting. This is all a farce of immense proportions. Have we walked into a trap? I hope Obama gets on a plane for Mississippi tomorrow and stands on that stage by himself and answers every question by himself.

[Ino]

11. The other day he also said...

that the root of this whole fiasco -- giving big loans to those who can't afford them -- was the result of liberalism gone wild. My mouth fell open. He's a master of spin. Nothing comes out of his mouth that's not devious.

[Georgiadawg]

13. I have a bad habit

of flipping on Rush sometimes when I'm in the car (and then quick flipping him off in disgust -- no pun intended). Today he was saying basically the same thing, that it's the homeowners' fault and that it comes from dems wanting to provide affordable housing. Ugh.

[WCGreen]

12. We're all in this together or it doesn't go....

Fuck them. They are using the bail out as a political tool. They have no fucking shame...

[RichGirl]

15. It doesn't matter if this is a real crisis or a fabricated one.

What the public sees is a huge financial disaster that could lead to a depression. They see that the democrats are doing their best to fix it and trying to do it in a non-partisan way. The republicans are uncooperative and McCain is playing politics.

What is actually happening is not as important as how the public precieves it.