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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:27 PM
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How bad is it for Palin? Conservatives want her dropped from McCain's campaign
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The thrill is gone

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor September 26, 2008 02:35 PM

The honeymoon is over for Sarah Palin.

After a third major TV interview during which her performance was uneven at best, even fellow Republicans are having trouble enthusiastically backing their vice presidential nominee.

The first-term Alaska governor had become a political phenomenon, bringing delegates to their feet with her speech at the Republican National Convention early this month and helping John McCain draw the biggest crowds of his campaign during the post-convention boomlet.

<...>

Now, even the arch-conservative National Review magazine is publishing skeptical or disillusioned commentaries.

Syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker, who had praised the selection of Palin, is calling for her to step aside from the ticket.

"As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion," Parker writes today in the magazine.

"Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it," Parker continues. "It was fun while it lasted. Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League."


“How do you solve a problem like Ms. Palin?”; Conservative Calls for Palin to Drop Out

September 26th, 2008
By JILL MILLER ZIMON

I get that it’s nice to see someone who we think is like us running for president or vice president. But the fact is that even conservative voices, including conservative female voices, are chiming in that Sarah Palin is not ready and is a dangerous choice. Please - do not take what these writers and thinkers say personally - they are clearly not happy about what they are writing but they are being responsible. And Kathleen Parker of the Dallas Morning News goes so far as to say something I tweeted yesterday: Sarah Palin should drop out.

The most important parts of what I want to share, and not all my blathering:

From conservative columnist at the Dallas Morning News, Kathleen Parker (she also posts at Townhall.com and TMV’s Jazz Shaw mentioned this column of hers here):

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Most stunning and sobering, however, Parker suggests that Palin drop out:

Only Ms. Palin can save Mr. McCain, her party and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

Finally, from Crunchy Con (as in, conservative) Rod Dreher (who also writes for the Dallas Morning News) in Palin Debacle on CBS Evening News:

Watch the Couric interview here. Couric’s questions are straightforward and responsible. Palin is mediocre, again, regurgitating talking points mechanically, not thinking. Palin’s just babbling. She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero….

I remember the morning I woke up in my college dorm room and went in to take my final exam in my Formal Logic class. I knew I was unready. Massively unready. And now I was going to be put to the ultimate test. I sat down in Dr. Sarkar’s class and resolved to wing it. Of course I failed the exam and failed the class, because I had no idea what I was talking about. I wasn’t a bad kid, or even a stupid kid. I was just badly unprepared, and in way over my head. Seeing the Palin interview on CBS, I thought of myself in Dr. Sarkar’s exam. But see, I was a college undergraduate who had the chance to take the class again, which I did, and passed (barely). I wasn’t running for vice president of the United States.

UPDATE: New Palin excerpt up, in which she discusses why having Russia next to Alaska gives her relevant foreign policy experience. I am well and truly embarrassed for her. I think she’s a good woman who might well be a great governor of Alaska. But good grief, just watch this train wreck (cuts to the Couric-Palin clip)

No one should feel good about this because McCain’s choice impacts (and some may say imperils) all voters and Americans. Even conservatives (George Will earlier this week too) realize just how serious the job of president and vice president are. We must not keep putting ourselves and our politics before our country.

A strong democracy requires that nominees for our highest office possess basic threshold competencies. This is because democracy means there will always be millions of people who will be governed by someone they did not vote for. But we stay intact as a government because we trust that even if we don’t agree with the political leanings and decisions of the winner, we trust that he or she will do what’s best for all 300 million of us.

There are tens of millions of voters, now, on both sides of the aisle, who find Sarah Palin to fall below this basic threshold for competence as a vice president or president of our country. And at least two of us are asking for her to step down.


RW Istapundit: Palin Problem - She’s out of her league. (Unfortunately I agree.)



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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:28 PM
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1. I figured it was just a matter of time before they turned on her
HAHAHAHAHA!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 03:18 PM
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19. That image. LOL! n/t
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:29 PM
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2. That's why Lieberman is never more than an elbow away from McCain
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:35 PM
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7. If McCain drops Palin for Lieberman...
he can kiss about 15 million votes goodbye.

Might win him Florida, but it will be a landslide everywhere else.

Better for him to stay with a safe pick, a Tom Ridge or someone.

Even Huckabee was on the TEEVEE and panning palin.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:37 PM
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9. It still won't be Liarman
He's still pro-choice and that's a non-starter with the Evangelical anti-abortion crowd.

Either way it looks like unless McDumb pulls something out of his limited bag of tricks, he's going to lose either the "conservatives" or the religious nuts!

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:30 PM
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3. Next up to the plate: Romney !
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:35 PM
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6. I agree....
I knew this would happen.

McCain will replace her with Romney, because he is perceived as being decent on economic/business
issues.

She'll leave for "personal and family" reasons. However, I also think she'll make it known that she thinks
that she's been treated unfairly. They'll do this, to help keep the base stoked and angry.

I think McCain will offer her a cabinet position--in order to keep the Fundies on his side.

It's they only thing that they can do. McCain gains on the economic issues, and he'll probably keep the Fundies.


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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:53 PM
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15. It'll never work. This will reflect even more poorly on McCain.
And people will NEVER buy that Palin left for "family" reasons. Everyone will know it's because she is a flippin idiot, and McCain is by extension for picking her in the first place!
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:33 PM
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4. Baby Prop
If she drops out using that poor little baby as an excuse (i.e., I have to spend more time with my family), I am going to need an alka seltzer!

What a crock!

But I think she's gotten a taste of national attention and her ego will require that she continue in the race unless forced out.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:34 PM
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5. I hope he keeps her
I love watching these idiots squirm.

Politics can be so much fun sometimes.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:58 PM
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18. Keep her please ~

She is a big minus now for the ticket and that is lovely for us.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:35 PM
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8. *Note to the conservative fundies who backed her, get out of the gop.
Your time is up. Go back to being the marginalized weirdos that you are. Give up your dream of world domination because the planet can't risk having one of your kind this close to power.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:37 PM
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10. "She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero…. "
Ouch!

And away to the Page with this one!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:38 PM
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11. "Palin is mediocre" lol yeah if you count jibberish as being mediocre


what would somebody consider a 'bad performance' that would make her mediocre.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:42 PM
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12. McCain will once again get all the headlines if this happens
We're hearing that by constantly changing strategy McCain stays out in front of his sagging numbers and grabs attention away from Obama.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 10:58 PM
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25. That doesn't seem to be working. Recent polls show Obama ahead everywhere.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:43 PM
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13. How can they dump her NOW?
Early voting has already begun in some states!
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:23 PM
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34. They could pull the old de-bate and switch trick.
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thespud Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:45 PM
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14. Palin's real patriotism
Disturbing insight into Palin's past connections and patriotism...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQGv7linCVY
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:55 PM
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16. HAHAHAHA!!!! Rod Dreher, 8/31/2008
Not long ago, you might have foreseen the Republican pilgrimage to St. Paul, Minn., as having all the brio of the Bataan Death March. Surprise! For all the party's problems, Republicans find themselves with a fighting chance of holding onto the presidency after all. Impressive, that--as was John McCain's gutsy choice of the marvelous Sarah Palin. Maybe this grand old party still has life in it.

I saved that section of the paper on my desk because I knew he would be eating those words. I might even have to send him an email.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:56 PM
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17. But she's his soulmate! He said so himself!
:rofl:

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 03:42 PM
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21. And you can quiz her anytime, anywhere!
That's what Palin said. She's a pitbull, remember? LOLOLOL
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 03:21 PM
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20. The right wing further proves that they are all fools.
They required a month to come to the conclusion that we all rightly arrived at within a week: Sarah Palin is an incompetent moron.

So, yeah, if they try to force Palin off the ticket after subjecting us to their gushing over her "realness" and her resume after sneering at Obama, they should pay a price. Mainly, the election. Frankly, I'd rather she stay on because when you make a decision, good or bad, you fucking live with it. Plus, Palin is herself a living emblem of the problems that comes with John McCain's decision making skills.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 04:54 PM
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22. More

Ya Think?

09.26.08 -- 5:48PM
By Josh Marshall

From Politico ...

A growing number of Republicans are expressing concern about Sarah Palin's uneven -- and sometimes downright awkward -- performances in her limited media appearances.

Conservative columnists Kathleen Parker, a former Palin supporter, says the vice presidential nominee should step aside. Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing on the conservative National Review, says "that's not a crazy suggestion" and that "something's gotta change."

Tony Fabrizio, a GOP strategist, says Palin's recent CBS appearance isn't disqualifying but is certainly alarming. "You can't continue to have interviews like that and not take on water."

(emphasis added)




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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:24 AM
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31. "You can't continue to have interviews like that and not
take on water." Take on water? I'd say it's time to man the lifeboats. Anyone that thinks she is in any way qualified to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency should be ashamed of themselves.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:24 PM
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35. Just wait till her water breaks!
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 01:25 PM by Kablooie
Gonna be a flood.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 10:53 PM
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23. A small part of me wants her to stay in the race.
The bigger part of me wants her to drop out for the sake of the country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 10:56 PM
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24. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. See, McCain, something
good does come from talking to people. You don't go off half-cocked making stupid judgments
because you take the time to sit down and get to know someone and analyze them.

McCain is a stupid old fool.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 10:59 PM
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26. Doesn't matter- It's a win-win for us.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:24 AM
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27. It's the haves and have mores who are against her
The whackjob fundies still think she's great.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:44 AM
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28. he can't cut her lose. he would have to admit a major error in judgement
it would be a death nail.......and keeping her is a death nail. He'll piss off the evangelicals if he dumps her.....he pisses off the conservative base if he keeps her. he's screwed either way.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:47 AM
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29. How do you solve a problem like Ms. Palin?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!

Oy, thanks for getting The Sound of Music stuck in my head before bedtime. :P
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 12:48 AM
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30. She was always a gimmick.
And unfortunately for McCon, a perfect wedge to separate republicans with some sense of realism from the ones living in batshit looneyland. I think she'll be gone soon, but I doubt it really matters at this point. The straight talk express is riding on its rims, and McCain gets to choose between a time consuming pitstop, and an almost certain breakdown.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:40 AM
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32. k&r
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:21 PM
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33. But the evangelists love her. They don't need a competant president, they've got god.
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