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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:25 AM
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Rasmussen's daily tracking poll shows a 3 point drop for Bush during RNC!
Bush's NEGATIVE Bounce: He DROPS 3% During Convention

After 3 days of fawning media coverage for the Republican convention, an astonishing thing is happening - Bush is actually DROPPING in the polls! Just before the convention, Bush led 48%-45% in the Rasmussen's daily tracking poll. By Wednesday, Bush's lead had disappeared, with a 47%-47% tie! It looks like all the nasty attacks on Kerry are backfiring. And Americans aren't stupid - they recognize a "compassion" farce when they see one. As Bush famously said, "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm


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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:26 AM
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1. people are tired of the fear mongering LIAR...the media can't prop him up
anymore
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:27 AM
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2. not valid evaluation
the "3 points you are talking about was just noise for one day"

In reality according to Rasmussen data they are ties

See what comes out the next few days after the convention before you can make a judgement
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:28 AM
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3. From the link:
"The impact from the Republican National Convention will first be seen in results posted on Thursday and Friday of this week. Next Monday will be the first survey results based entirely upon data collected after the Convention has ended."
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:28 AM
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4. negative bounce
woohah!!!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:28 AM
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5.  And Americans aren't stupid
And if Americans all of them) knew the truth... this clown wouldn't be able to get a job as a janitor after November.

http://www.bushlies.net/pages/10/
As explained by Michael Kinsley in Slate:

“The documentation on the GOP Web site . . . lists only 67 votes "for higher taxes." Most of these are votes against a tax cut, not in favor of a tax increase. The 67 include nine votes listed twice, three listed three times, and two listed four times. .... The Bush list also includes several series of sequentially numbered votes, which are procedural twists on the same bill. ... The only actual tax increase on Bush's list (counted twice, but hey …) is Kerry's support for Clinton's 1993 deficit-reduction plan. That's the one that raised rates in the top bracket and led to a decade of such fabulous prosperity that even its most affluent victims ended up better off.”

Using this same standard, Kinsley calculates Bush proposed raising taxes 63 times through fiscal 2005. At this rate Bush would “have 320 under his belt if he could stay in the White House for 20 years.” (Kinsley – Slate 03.24.04)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:30 AM
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6. And that's BEFORE last night's lynching bee...
yeah, but "the next Churchill" speaks tonight...and everybody knows how he does under pressure.....
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:31 AM
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7. Oh that is rich! Hilarious!
He is actually dropping in the polls!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:31 AM
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8. During our convention...
we said the only polls that count are those that'll come out on Sunday/Monday. We can't hold the GOP to a different standard so I'll wait until the weekend or the beginning of next week to pay attention to any polls.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:04 AM
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17. Sure we can.
When it comes to policy, we need to be consistent. But when it comes to politics, I'll hold the bastards to all sorts of shifting standards.


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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:32 AM
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9. MOE and Three Day window. Don't get your hopes up.
The Rasmussen polls are taken over a three day window. What you are seeing on that site as "Today" is Sept. 1, yesterday. That means it uses data from Aug. 29, 30, and 31. Too soon to have much effect at all. Margin of Error (MOE) is +/- 3 percent. Which means it could be 50-44 or 44-50.

Bush will get a huge bounce from the convention (wink).

Besides, Arbusto has never lost a debate. He is a masterdebater.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:53 AM
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29. I'm expecting a giant bounce, anything short of 10 points shows he failed
and seeing how he cleaned Gore's clock, his debate performance is going to be stellar. Anything short of a knockout is a sign of failure.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:33 AM
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10. Next Week: Terror Alerts
n/t
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:47 AM
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14. That's right. Notice that there are no terra alerts this week?
The Republicans have the stage this week. I wonder if all the Homeland Security honchos are in New York. If so, who's minding the ship?
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flowerpower Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:10 AM
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31. Fact Check
Terror alert "Elevated"

http://www.fema.org/
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:24 PM
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37. Which is where it's been for months
IIRC.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:34 AM
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11. Interesting! Rove hasn't time to pick up the difference yet!
By week-end the media will have junior up by five. Hope I'm wrong!
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:40 AM
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12. I was at a golf outing yesterday, and heard a bunch of Republicans say
that they wanted a "None of the Above" choice on the ballot this year. That is astonishing in this red state (Indiana).
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:44 AM
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13. A good way for Kerry to capitalize on this GOP farce
is to repeat and repeat and repeat..."The American people aren't stupid. The GOP thinks that Americans are stupid fools who will blindly lap up their hateful lies."

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:07 AM
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19. They AREN'T stupid, most of 'em.
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 AM by ClassWarrior
They don't have the time or the frame of reference to become informed, but they're definitely NOT stupid. That's why we need to inform them.

Educate an "independent" today. A good, non-hyperbolic place to start: http://doyouknow.org


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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:47 AM
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15. All it is doing is showing the republicans as they really are
Mean, mean, mean, mean, mean, mean.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 08:54 AM
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16. Mean people suck
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:05 AM
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18. Republican pollster, don't believe it....
oh wait that THERE GUY tanking!! oooopppppsssss

and this BEFORE Zell and Cheney's hate fest
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:11 AM
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20. May the Thursday/Friday polls...
...show an even steeper drop!
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neonplaque Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:14 AM
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21. Don't worry about any 'bounce'.... Frances/Labor Day
Hurricane Frances will dominate the news this weekend as it beats the hell out of Florida (stay safe if you live there)...and it's Labor Day weekend so families will have other plans and activities than paying attention to election coverage.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:47 AM
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22. I was thinking about this weekend also-----double nobody going to
listen to Bush's speech. People are packing and getting ready for the Labor Day weekend. Many are taking Friday off as a vacation day and heading out tonight or packing, etc. Bush is of no interest to anyone but the faithful because they've seen him and listen to his crap for years (remember how turned off the people were with his last State of the Union speech?). It also means no one will be around to hear the whores spin it as the greatest speech since Honest Abe. I don't expect any bounce for him (and neither does Bob Barr--interviewed the other day).
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:49 AM
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23. RNC Agenda
6:00 pm - Opening prayer
6:15 pm - Supplementary opening prayer
6:30 pm - Prayer in thanks of first two prayers
6:45 pm - New energy policy presented by Exxon
7:00 pm - Canonization of Reagan
7:15 pm - Additional prayers
7:30 pm - Opening remarks by Halliburton
7:45 pm - Laugh at poor people
8:00 pm - Prayer for the safety and well-being of Ken "Kenny-boy" Lay
8:15 pm - Additional remarks by Halliburton
8:30 pm - Stoning of the first homosexual
8:45 pm - New healthcare polices presented by HMO leader, Kaiser Permanente
9:00 pm - Invasion of Iran or North Korea (TBA)
9:15 pm - Halliburton contributes $1.4 billion to Republican party
9:30 pm - Reagan elevated to savior, Holy Trinity now referred to as "the quads"
9:45 pm - Bush undergoes plastic surgery to look more like Reagan
10:00 pm - Cheney runs into Ron Reagan, Jr. Tells him to go fuck himself
10:15 pm - Recall of troops from accidental invasion of South Korea (Bush: "Damn, the SOUTH is our ally. My bad.")
10:30 pm - Burning at the stake of 16-year-old Jenny Williams, who had an illegal abortion after being raped by her cousin
10:45 pm - Dancing around the golden calf
11:00 pm - Stoning of the partner of the first homosexual
11:15 pm - New forestry policy presented by Weyerhaeuser
11:45 pm - Thanking God for his wisdom in choosing Bush as president
12:00 pm - Closing prayers (lasting until 2:00 am)
2:00 am - Hookers arrive for all delegates
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:50 AM
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24. Todays Sept. 02 report shows * 49% and Kerry at 45%...
I'm off to a very sick morning! But I'm going to send money and write letters to swing state voters (since I'm in Cali). This convention is nearly over and Kerry will come out swinging!
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:50 AM
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25. Todays Sept. 02 report shows * 49% and Kerry at 45%...
I'm off to a very sick morning! But I'm going to send money and write letters to swing state voters (since I'm in Cali). This convention is nearly over and Kerry will come out swinging!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:50 AM
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26. Rasmussen is not very reliable
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flowerpower Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:14 AM
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33. "Are You Thinking What I'm Thinking?"
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 11:15 AM by flowerpower
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:53 AM
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27. Dont get too excited. Today Rasmussen has *49% Kerry 45%
the 47-47 looks like statistical noise
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 10:53 AM
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28. What are you talking about?
Your link shows Bush up 49% / 45%

?
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flowerpower Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:00 AM
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30. Is My Data Flawed?
Bush at 49%. Highest since Super Tuesday.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:11 AM
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32. 3 days constant attacks against Kerry instead of talking about the issues
important for us voters...

Besides attacking and smearing Kerry, what are they planning to do for this country? I guess they can't talk about that because screwing the poor, destroying the environment, outsourcing jobs, starting unnecessary wars, and giving our hard earned tax money to the filthy rich might not get them a lot of votes.

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wwbarnes Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:34 PM
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39. It Drives Me Crazy
... when my fellow Democrats contrast Republican attacks with "the issues." Hey, folks, "the issues" are whatever anyone is talking about. The problem with thinking that their attacks are not "the issues" is that this leads to a mistaken belief that they can be ignored because voters won't take them seriously. It's this sort of "rise above it" thinking that makes the Democrats not respond to things like Swiftliars and girlymen and Zell Miller.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:19 AM
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34. Deserves a kick
Not since Hoover....
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batmankm Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:24 AM
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35. What happened?? Now shows Bush up 4 points!!!!!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:28 AM
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36. I KNOW. My information came from a democrats.com email this morning
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 11:35 AM by Lex
.
of various headlines.

www.democrats.com emails out political headlines every morning if you sign up for it, as I have.

That, what I posted, was what I was sent by them as one of the headlines.

And the numbers on Rasmussen have been changed since.

Weird.

Here's the whole email from them:
-----------------------------

__DEMOCRATS.COM____The Patriotic Progressives__________________

___.COMPOSITION______In This Issue_______________________________

Upcoming Events

Bush's NEGATIVE Bounce: He DROPS 3% During Convention {see below for story}

Three-Mile Long 'Unemployment Line' Gives Bush the Pink Slip

Scrub Alert! RNC Scrubs Proof of Active Military Delegates

BUSTED! Backlash Against Mockery of Wounded Troops Orchestrated by the RNC

Giuliani's Mean-Spirited, Misleading Criticisms of Kerry Intended to Deceive Viewers

Republicans' Shameless Exploitation of 9/11 to Bash Democrats and Divide America Disgusts Viewers

NOW Holds Civil Rights Rally in Central Park to Protest the Oppression of the Bush Regime

Ben Barnes to Break Silence on '60 Minutes' - Get Ready for the Mother of All Character Assassinations

Demand the Media Report Ignored Story - Former Lt. Gov. Barnes 'Ashamed' of Getting W into the Guard

Viet Cong Soldier Says Kerry 'Deserves the Medal' For Fierce Combat

John Dean Urges Kerry to Sue the Swifties for Calling Him a 'Babykiller'

GOP Proves It Isn't 'Pro-Life'

Scratch a GOP Delegate and They ALL Think Like Cheney

Theresa LePore Loses Her Job - But Not Until January

DEMOCRATS.COM'S MEDIA METER: Ten of the Most Underreported Stories AUG. 23-30

Bush Election Theft Alert! Suspicious Manuverings in Run Up to Afghanistan's first 'Free Elections'

Media Cartel Cash Ripped Off to Fund Lavish Parties, Salaries and Expense Accounts





__Upcoming Events

On Sept. 2, attend the Texas Truth Convention in Arlington (texastruthconvention.org). On Sept. 2 at 10pm EST, join Al Franken in the Great American Shout-out (thegreatamericanshoutout.org). On Sept. $, protest Bush in Erie, PA. On Sept. 8, Democrats.com co-sponsors a NYC forum on "The Fear Factor: The Political Use and Abuse of 9/11 in 2004" (nysec.org)
http://www.legitgov.org/action.html


__Bush's NEGATIVE Bounce: He DROPS 3% During Convention

After 3 days of fawning media coverage for the Republican convention, an astonishing thing is happening - Bush is actually DROPPING in the polls! Just before the convention, Bush led 48%-45% in the Rasmussen's daily tracking poll. By Wednesday, Bush's lead had disappeared, with a 47%-47% tie! It looks like all the nasty attacks on Kerry are backfiring. And Americans aren't stupid - they recognize a "compassion" farce when they see one. As Bush famously said, "fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm


__Three-Mile Long 'Unemployment Line' Gives Bush the Pink Slip

"Thousands of protesters waving pink fliers that read 'The Next Pink Slip Might Be Yours!' formed a symbolic unemployment line stretching three miles from Wall Street to the site of the Republican convention on Wednesday. 'I've been unemployed before,' said Gary Goff, 57, a data processor. 'I'm concerned that unemployment is going up so drastically under the Bush administration. I think Bush is a disaster for working people.' The peaceful demonstration came a day after police struggled to contain swarms of protesters with metal barriers and orange netting, eventually arresting nearly 1,000 demonstrators. The 'unemployment line,' organized by People for the American Way, was part of the Imagine Festival of Arts, Issues and Ideas that called for a creative response to party politics. 'I can barely survive, and it's because of jobs going oversees,' said Jerry Nowadzky, 49, of Monticello, Iowa, who claimed that two companies for which he worked had outsourced jobs to other countries."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0901-02.htm


__Scrub Alert! RNC Scrubs Proof of Active Military Delegates

Bloggers are making a stink about active military personnel serving - illegally! - as delegates to the Republican convention. Exhibit A is an AP story that was prominently featured on the RNC web site (http://www.gopconvention.com/contents/newsroom/articles). But now if you click "Veterans Set for Republican Convention" you'll find the article has been SCRUBBED! Obviously the Republicans know they have committed a crime and they are trying to destroy the evidence, as they always do. But never fear - Democrats.com has UNSCRUBBED the article. We demand prosecution by New York District Attorney Henry Morgenthau!
http://democrats.com/scrub/rnc-military/


__BUSTED! Backlash Against Mockery of Wounded Troops Orchestrated by the RNC

A Washington Post report got it half right. The GOP is "Adding Insults to Injuries" and "Democrats are furious after a number of GOP delegates here showed up Monday wearing bandages bearing tiny purple hearts, a mocking reference to Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry's wounds from the Vietnam War - for which he was awarded three Purple Hearts." Of course they didn't just "show up" with the bandages. RNC leader Morton Blackwell distributed them and orchestrated the mocking attacks on our troops, even though top GOP officials lied about having any involvement. BUSTED! Veterans and all patriotic Americans share disgust with the Chicken Hawk Republicans mocking the military and the RNC-led show of contempt for those who sacrificed for their - and our - freedom.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A50690-2004Aug31?language=printer


__Giuliani's Mean-Spirited, Misleading Criticisms of Kerry Intended to Deceive Viewers

Washington Post: "In his speech to the Republican National Convention on Monday night, former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani made a number of specific attacks based on statements made by Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry. But Giuliani's description of those comments often lacked context." The former mayor whose ratings were in the low 40% before he exploited 9/11 to aggrandize himself is the Republicans' designated 9/11 exploiter. He mentioned 9/11 several times in his speech. The pro-gay, pro-choice, pro-gun control Republican is way out of step with his Neanderthal party, but hopes to win its nomination in 2008 so these lies are transparent efforts to ingratiate himself to the right wing extreme. Keep dreaming, Rudy. Look what they did to McCain!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A51112-2004Aug31?language=printer


__Republicans' Shameless Exploitation of 9/11 to Bash Democrats and Divide America Disgusts Viewers

Washington Post: "Ben Wilson sat in his living room in Harlem late Monday and listened as former mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani talked of Sept. 11, 2001, and why the events of that day all but demanded that Americans vote for President Bush. Wilson listened -- and clicked off his television. He had watched the first airplane crash into the World Trade Center. His son serves in Iraq with the Marines. 'Listen to me: A lot of us suffered that day,' said Wilson, who is African American. 'You tell me what Bush has done that gives him the right to come here and milk that attack for votes? Man, the Republicans annoy me.'"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A50688-2004Aug31?language=printer


__NOW Holds Civil Rights Rally in Central Park to Protest the Oppression of the Bush Regime

US Newswire: "The National Organization for Women's New York City chapter will host a permitted rally this evening to protest the Bush Administration's current war on women, minority groups, and civil liberties. NOW, the largest feminist organization in the country, unanimously voted at its 2004 National Conference, to formally declare an immediate state of emergency through Nov. 2 -- in a radical effort to mobilize and defeat the current administration. 'In only three and a half years, George W. Bush and the right wing leadership in Congress have undermined and eroded more than four decades of advancements for women,' said NOW President Kim Gandy." PLEASE join them today if you can - the Bush brownshirts are planning to turn out to harass them, so help make sure these cowards are intimidated by your sheer numbers!
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35512


__Ben Barnes to Break Silence on '60 Minutes' - Get Ready for the Mother of All Character Assassinations

Eric Boehlert writes, "The campaign battle over Vietnam War records is still raging, but Bush may soon be the one answering uncomfortable questions about his past service. Ben Barnes, the former lieutenant governor of Texas, will finally break his silence and talk to the press about what role he played in helping Bush get a coveted slot in the Texas Air National Guard in 1968. Sources say Barnes has already sat down for a '60 Minutes' interview that will air a week from Sunday... Throughout his political career Bush has adamantly denied that he got a Guard pilot spot through preferential treatment." Emergency meetings are underway in Karl Rove's office. Get ready for the Mother of All Character Assassinations.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/01/barnes60minutes/index.html


__Demand the Media Report Ignored Story - Former Lt. Gov. Barnes 'Ashamed' of Getting W into the Guard

Salon: "'I'm very ashamed' - The former Texas official who got George Bush into the National Guard apologizes for making sure that young men with important 'family names' did not have to fight in Vietnam." Also in Salon: "The Ben Barnes blackout - Even with new video of the Texas pol saying he's 'ashamed' of helping President Bush get his National Guard slot, the story gets little play from the media." http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/08/30/barnes_update/print.html Demand the Media report this ignored story. Write / call / fax. Find contact info at the Media Watch Project - http://democrats.com/media
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/08/27/barnes/print.html


__Viet Cong Soldier Says Kerry 'Deserves the Medal' For Fierce Combat

"Former Viet Cong soldier Duong Hoang Sinh remembers them well -- the one time he tangled with three Swift boats, the Americans killed all of the insurgents in his unit except for two. 'It was very fierce fighting,' said Sinh, 52, who lost his left eye during the war... 'Each side tried to eliminate the other.' Sinh and John Kerry, the U.S. Democratic presidential nominee, were fighting along the Dong Cung canal around roughly the same time 35 years ago in early 1969, experiencing the intensity of war along these muddy waters, but from opposite sides. Although Sinh had never heard of Kerry, he has a strong opinion about the debate surrounding the candidate's Vietnam War record as a U.S. Navy Swift boat commander: Kerry must have had guts to troll the Mekong Delta's spider web of rivers and narrow canals knowing that Viet Cong like himself were waiting to pick him off. 'Kerry served in Vietnam and he was awarded the medal for his bravery,' Sinh said. 'He deserves the medal.'"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/31/politics1337EDT0625.DTL


__John Dean Urges Kerry to Sue the Swifties for Calling Him a 'Babykiller'

John Dean writes: "'Unfit for Command' doesn't mince words. It accuses Kerry of a number of crimes: fraud, lying before the Senate, filing false reports, dereliction of duty, desertion, and treason -- to mention only a few. As an example, I will analyze just one such charge. Chapter Four of the book opens with a quotation from William Franke, a swift boat veteran: 'I will tell you in all candor that the only baby killer I knew in Vietnam was John F. Kerry.' Where's the support in the book for this? There is none. According to O'Neill, Kerry's swift boat gunner, Steve Gardner -- who is among the most hostile of the Swiftees toward Kerry - says there was a baby-killing incident, but he also says that Kerry had no idea it occurred, and tried to stop further fire at a civilian target. It seems from this that Kerry is better characterized as baby-saver than baby-killer!... Actual malice is often very hard to prove. But that's not so here." Read how Barry Goldwater sued in 1965 - and won.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040831.html


__GOP Proves It Isn't 'Pro-Life'

Amy Goodman reports, "During Schwarzenegger's address, peace activist and Code Pink founder Medea Benjamin was on the floor of the convention. As she was standing less than 20 feet away from Vice President Dick Cheney, she unfurled a pink banner that read 'Pro-Life: Stop the Killing in Iraq.' Security officials quickly approached her and told her to put it away. Medea responded by saying it was a pro-life banner. Minutes later, a Secret Service man came up and asked for her press credentials. She stalled for a few minutes cheering Schwarzenegger along with the Republican crowd. She was soon surrounded by more security officials. When she realized she was being escorted off the convention floor. Medea Benjamin turned to Vice President Dick Cheney who was sitting 20 feet away and repeatedly yelled 'Stop the killing in Iraq.' Secret service members carried her upside down off the convention floor."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/01/1424252


__Scratch a GOP Delegate and They ALL Think Like Cheney

Tom Engelhardt writes, "Walking the convention floor talking to delegates, what most struck me was the way in which this was really Dick Cheney's convention, even though no delegate I met even mentioned his name. Of all the members of this administration, Cheney was the one who never stopped hammering directly at the supposed connections between the 9/11 attacks, Saddam's regime, al-Qaeda, and the invasion of Iraq; connections that, along with Saddam's 'weapons of mass destruction,' and despite everything we now know, seem seared into the minds of at least 50% of the American people. The Republican Party's audacious decision to convene in New York City, to return to Ground Zero, reinforces such connections without having to engage in argument at all. It reinforces in a deeply emotive and fearful way the idea that the acts of 'them,' an amorphous mass of interchangeable terrorists and bad guys, are all one and the same."
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=1744


__Theresa LePore Loses Her Job - But Not Until January

"The county election supervisor whose confusing ballot design contributed to the turmoil of the 2000 presidential election became the butt of late-night talk show jokes and the target of death threats. Now, she's lost her job. Theresa LePore, the inventor of the butterfly ballot that was scrutinized during the presidential recount, lost her re-election bid to remain Palm Beach County elections supervisor. With all 692 precincts reporting, challenger Arthur Anderson had 91,134 votes, or 52%, while LePore had 85,601 votes, or 48%... Speaking of a 'continuous erosion' in confidence in the voting process, Anderson said he ran against LePore to protect 'the right to have our votes count,' and had urged adding printers to voting machines to ensure a paper trail in case of a recount. LePore has said she thinks printers are unnecessary... Despite the loss, LePore will remain in office until Jan. 3 and will oversee the November election in the county."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-butterfly-ballot-election,0,4241747.story


__DEMOCRATS.COM'S MEDIA METER: Ten of the Most Underreported Stories AUG. 23-30

Cheryl Seal Writes: "Anyone who routinely scans multiple sources for news, taking in AFP, BBC, Al Jazeera, the Guardian, US Newswire, and other non-Bush-controlled sources will quickly begin to see the gaping holes in US corporate media coverage. Not only do these holes tend to be uniformly in the interests of G.W. Bush and his campaign, they are systematic: it is rare to find one of the members of the US media cartel breaking ranks and giving prominent coverage (as in not buried on page A22 or C12), to a story suppressed by the others. There are laws against price-fixing - a practice acknowledged by all as fraud. So why aren't there laws against 'news fixing?' It, too, is fraud....Now, with the GOP Convention, things in US Media land have gone from bad to WORSE!!
http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=23429


__Bush Election Theft Alert! Suspicious Manuverings in Run Up to Afghanistan's first 'Free Elections'

The BBC reports: "A top election observer body has said Afghanistan's security situation makes it impossible to monitor its first-ever polls, due in October. In a report obtained by the BBC, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe said it was not safe for 'meaningful' monitoring. The OSCE added that examining the elections too closely at this stage could actually undermine the process. It also appears there will be few other monitors to fill the gap." How convenient for Bush and Karzai! Especially as another story released today in the Boston Herald states that Kabul "was declared free of heavy weapons Wednesday, a key step in efforts to bolster security before critical national elections. U.S., NATO and Afghan officials feted the commanders of the last unit to pull its big guns out of the city." So what's the deal? Did the US pull its guns out to insure security - or to insure that security would be SO undermined that poll monitors would flee?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3617790.stm


__Media Cartel Cash Ripped Off to Fund Lavish Parties, Salaries and Expense Accounts

This story involves just one corporate media "octopus," the one that included the Daily Telegraph, the Chicago Sun-Times, and the Jerusalem Post. But you can bet it's just the tip of the iceberg formed by the world's corporate media cartels. "Lord Black of Crossharbour, the former CEO of the publishing giant Hollinger International, and his associates ransacked more than $400 million from his former empire. Lord Black...illegally took the money to fund lavish parties, expensive possessions and massive salaries for himself and his friends." It was also revealed that at least one media commentator was slurping up a lavish "expense account." We are sure similar goings on are occurring with other media cartels, and that similar lavish parties - like those entertaining the "Kalorama Kocktail Klub" of Repug politicos in D.C are funded by media bucks.
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=557073


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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:27 PM
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38. During the RNC that has to be a first. OMG what a great day. HAHAAHA
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batmankm Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:36 PM
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40. Here is another poll
It seems for what ever reason the Rasmussen poll has changed its figures from this morning and now shows Bush up by 4 points. Something is not kosher there for sure. However here is a poll from yesterday from the American Research Group. This reflects polling from 8/30-9/1

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/presballot/

It shows Kerry up 2 points in "all voters" and down 1 point with "likely voters"

Not as great a news as the Rasmussen original numbers but still great news considering we are at day 4 of the RNC hate Fest masquerade ball. :-)

KM
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:42 PM
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41. Isn't all that within the MOE anyway?
I mean, Bush really needed a *big* bounce out of this. he still might get it, but so far, not so hot. 49/45 is not exactly wonderful news for an incumbent in the middle of his party's convention, i shouldn't think...
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:44 PM
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42. Bush up 4 points now
The new Numbers today have bush up 4 points.

However, it is still tied in battleground states, and I think the numbers will reflect a more favorable Kerry vote when last night's negative speeches by Miller and Cheney get factored in.

We'll be fine in the end. Tomorrow's job's numbers will be a drag on the Prez, also.
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batmankm Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:52 PM
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43. question on the job numbers
Who in the Gov. puts these numbers out? Are they objective non partisan or can the Bush Crime Family manipulate them? It seems to me that if they could then they wouldn't have gone out with "we turned the corner" and a week later had the terrible job numbers hit. Can some one clear this up for me,

KM
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:07 PM
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44. The bounce I expect from this convention
I looked on the web and can't find one. Does anyone who's got server space have a picture of Wile E. Coyote falling off a 5,000-foot cliff and careening toward the desert floor?

So far, the only thing they haven't done is put Pickles on a sofa next to Bush on a piano stool. Pickles will sit there with a flower and say "es lieb mir, es lieb mir nicht. es lieb mir...ES LIEB MIR NICHT!" to which Bush will reply "I lieb ya, baby. I lieb ya! I lieb ya! Now lieb me alone!" before singing his foreign policy plans for the next term: "First I'm gonna crush Poland...then I'm gonna crush France."

Yes, now it's Springtime for Bushler and Germany....

The American people want a reason to vote for a candidate. Admittedly, Kerry spent most of his time trying to defuse suggestions that he's not just some soft-on-defense liberal Democrat like the Pugs enjoy accusing us of being...only to be hit with Smearboat Liars for Bush and "Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Navy says he didn't sign the citation for the Silver Star John Kerry earned and was awarded three presidents before Lehman took office." Bush, however, is a different story: it's more like "Don't vote for that guy because he's a fucking asshole." And all of the speakers are saying the same thing: they're describing a president who has never and will never serve in the White House (the George Bush they describe walks on water and never has to use the restroom) and lambasting John Kerry. Which is the same shit his dad pulled in 1992 and that shit is a BIG part of the reason Bush 41 took up bonefishing full-time in 1993.

Bush will receive at minimum a ten-point negative bounce by the end of Nazicon 2004. If he's very, very lucky.
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