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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:14 PM
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The Reason Why McCain Wouldn't Look At Obama Last Night and Why He Hates Obama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092603957_pf.html

How McCain Stirred a Simmering Pot

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 27, 2008; A01

When Sen. John McCain made his way to the Capitol office of House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) just past noon on Thursday, he intended to "just touch gloves" with House Republican leaders, according to one congressional aide, and get ready for the afternoon bailout summit at the White House.

Instead, Rep. Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, was waiting to give him an earful. The $700 billion Wall Street rescue, as laid out by Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., was never going to fly with House Republicans, Ryan said. The plan had to be fundamentally reworked, relying instead on a new program of mortgage insurance paid not by the taxpayers but by the banking industry.

McCain listened, then, with Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), he burst into the Senate Republican policy luncheon. Over a Tex-Mex buffet, Sens. Robert F. Bennett (Utah) and Judd Gregg (N.H.) had been explaining the contours of a deal just reached. House Republicans were not buying it. Then McCain spoke.

"I appreciate what you've done here, but I'm not going to sign on to a deal just to sign the deal," McCain told the gathering, according to Graham and confirmed by multiple Senate GOP aides. "Just like Iraq, I'm not afraid to go it alone if I need to."

For a moment, as Graham described it, "you could hear a pin drop. It was just unbelievable." Then pandemonium. By the time the meeting broke up, the agreement touted just hours before -- one that Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), the No. 3 GOP leader, estimated would be supported by more than 40 Senate Republicans -- was in shambles.

An incendiary mix of presidential politics, delicate dealmaking and market instability played out Thursday in a tableau of high drama, with $700 billion and the U.S. economy possibly in the balance. McCain's presence was only one of the complicating factors. Sen. Barack Obama played his part, with a hectoring performance behind closed doors at the White House. And a brewing House Republican leadership fight helped scramble allegiances in the GOP.

It is unclear whether the day's events will prove to be historically significant or a mere political sideshow. If the administration and lawmakers forge an agreement largely along the lines of the deal they had reached before McCain's arrival Thursday, the tumult will have been a momentary speed bump. If the deal collapses, the recriminations spawned that day will be fierce.

But if a final deal incorporates House Republican principles while leaning most heavily on the accord between the administration, House Democrats and Senate Republicans, all sides will be able to claim some credit -- even if the legislation is not popular with voters.

"If there is a deal with the House involved, it's because of John McCain," Graham, one of the Arizonan's closest friends in the Senate, said yesterday.

In truth, McCain's dramatic announcement Wednesday that he would suspend his campaign and come to Washington for the bailout talks had wide repercussions.

Democrats, eager to reach a deal before McCain could claim credit, hunkered down and made real progress ahead of his arrival. Conservative Republicans in the House reacted as well, according to aides who were part of the talks.

The Republican Study Committee, an enclave of House conservatives, had already begun turning against the Paulson plan. When McCain announced his return, the conservatives feared he would forge an agreement largely along Paulson's lines, with slight alterations and the GOP leadership's blessing.

"No one knew where he was going," one of the aides said.

Boehner, who had initially greeted Paulson's plan with some warmth, faces a brewing battle next year for the party leadership. Conservatives were making it no secret that they were thinking of backing House Deputy Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) in a challenge to Boehner, and Paulson's request for $700 billion was not making matters better.

On Wednesday afternoon, Boehner appointed a new working group, led by Cantor, Ryan and Republican Study Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.), and including some moderates, to see if they could put together an alternative proposal. McCain's impending arrival shifted that effort into high gear. By the time McCain arrived in Boehner's office Thursday, the principles of a new plan were ready.

According to Republican aides, McCain was in Boehner's office when the announcement of a deal crossed their BlackBerrys. Rep. Spencer Bachus (Ala.), the House Republicans' representative in the talks, stumbled into the meeting to be peppered by participants with incredulous questions.

It was Ryan who made it most clear that there really was no deal. The core of Paulson's plan -- using $700 billion in taxpayer money to buy distressed assets from failing financial firms -- had to be changed, he told McCain. Instead, banks should have to pony up money for a new federally administered insurance program, like the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Banks suffering from mortgage defaults would then be able to draw funds from the insurance pool to remain solvent.

It was not a new idea, White House and Treasury officials said. Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke had considered a similar option and rejected it. For one thing, asking banks teetering on the edge of bankruptcy to pay into the insurance fund would be like asking a patient facing heart surgery to buy health insurance before being wheeled into the operating room. The banks would be too weak to pay, and the cost of the insurance would be so high, drawing on the fund after a round of mortgage foreclosures would merely be repaying the banks what they had paid in.

Besides, one Treasury official said, it would do nothing to address the problem at hand. Banks would have no more money than they do now to lend. And they would still be holding the bad assets that are making it impossible for them to borrow.

Paulson made those points Wednesday at a contentious meeting with House Republicans. But Ryan convinced McCain that the idea had to be taken seriously to bring House Republicans on board.

"McCain has been trying to help the House guys, trying to get their ideas into the broader bill," said a senior Republican Senate aide. "If McCain can do that, he can bring 50 to 100 House Republicans to the bill. That would be a big damn deal."

McCain and Graham made just that point at the Tex-Mex lunch, but McCain also spoke in the starkly personal terms of a presidential candidate in trouble: "You all put me on the hook for $700 billion," he told his colleagues, according to an aide familiar with the lunch.

The breakdown was serious enough that word reached Paulson. Just 25 minutes before the scheduled meeting at the White House, Paulson phoned House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to alert her to trouble, according to a Senate Democratic leadership aide. When congressional leaders converged on the White House, the Democrats peeled off into the Roosevelt Room to discuss the revolt over the insurance plan. President Bush was kept waiting, something he has always hated.

After the cameras left the Cabinet room, Bush thanked everybody for their spirit of cooperation and said he knew it was not an easy vote. He knew elements still needed to be worked out and said he wanted to go around the table to hear people's views.

Pelosi said Obama would speak for the Democrats. Though later he would pepper Paulson with questions, according to a Republican in the room, his initial point was brief: "We've got to get something done."

Bush turned to McCain, who joked, "The longer I am around here, the more I respect seniority." McCain then turned to Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to speak first.

Boehner was blunt. The plan Paulson laid out would not win the support of the vast majority of House Republicans. It had been improved on the edges, with an oversight board and caps on the compensation of participating executives. But it had to be changed at the core. He did not mention the insurance alternative, but Democrats did. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, pressed Boehner hard, asking him if he really intended to scrap the deal and start again.

No, Boehner replied, he just wanted his members to have a voice. Obama then jumped in to turn the question on his rival: "What do you think of the plan, John?" he asked repeatedly. McCain did not answer.

One Republican in the room said it was clear that the Democrats came into the meeting with a "game plan" aimed at forcing McCain to choose between the administration and House Republicans. "They had taken McCain's request for a meeting and trumped it," said this source.

Congressional aides from both parties were standing in the lobby of the West Wing, unaware of the discord inside the Cabinet room, when McCain emerged alone, shook the hands of the Marines at the door and left. The aides were baffled. The plan had been for a bipartisan appearance before the media, featuring McCain, Obama and at least a firm statement in favor of intervention. Now, one of the leading men was gone.

The rest of the actors poured out of the room still highly agitated. Democrats clustered in the hall between the lobby and the Oval Office, pressing Bachus to explain what had happened to the deal. The Democrats discussed whether to go before the cameras waiting in front of the White House, but Obama refused. Without McCain next to him, he said, he would be skewered for using the White House as a backdrop. As the talk grew louder, Obama asked if they could duck into a room, and back they went to the ornate, windowless Roosevelt Room.

It was then that Paulson gingerly walked in to beg, "Don't blow this up, please." The secretary feared that Democrats would throw their hands up and declare the deal dead.

The crowd erupted in unison, all barking at Paulson that they were not the problem -- he needed to talk to his own party. Under the barrage, Paulson dropped to one knee, clasped his hands in front of his face as if he were praying and joked: "Please, please, don't blow this up. Give me some time."

"Hank," Pelosi replied, "I didn't know you were Catholic."


Staff writers Michael Abramowitz and Paul Kane contributed to this report.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:18 PM
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1. Fuck the Republicans.
They broke it. Make them buy it. I'm so sick of their shit. This belongs solely on their shoulders. The Dems need to come out strong with this, and to also get out there how the 'pubs are playing politics.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:18 PM
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2. Okay, so in an easier to understand nutshell this means? nt
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:24 PM
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7. This means that the Democrats successfully prevented the House GOP and McCain
from trying to seem like the scrappy underdogs and basically skewered THEM for not doing any actual work and trying to coast in to "save the day" with a plan that's essentially smoke and mirrors.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:33 PM
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36. Thank you. :) Once again, the GOP proves that they're trash nt
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:19 PM
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41. Someone should turn this into a movie!
It would be nice to see what happened behind closed doors. There must've been some cussin' going on.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:28 PM
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12. SUMMARY:
McCain didn't have plans to side with the House Republicans when he got to Washington - but he did.
Then he told the Senate Republicans what he was doing, so the deal that they had worked out with Pelosi and the Senate Democrats and Paulson fell through.

The Democrats found out right before the White House photo op - so they knew about it going into the photo op, and Obama (the spokesman for the Democrats at the meeting) called out McCain to get him to say what bill he supported. McCain refused to respond.

Everybody got mad, McCain walked out, the Democrats held a meeting to figure out what to do next, and Paulson pleaded with them to keep working on the bill...

Better?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:34 PM
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37. Thank you. :) Okay, I'm going to say it again! Republicans are SCUM! nt
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:30 PM
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13. in brief
a gaggle of rightwing republican congressmen who think "government is the problem" and the banks should be left alone because the free market will sort things out had not been involved in the negotiations about how to improve on Paulsen's proposal.

McCain swooped in to town and met with them, encouraged them to pitch a fit, they did, and the deal fell apart.

McCain intentionally sabotaged the deal, accusing those republicans like Boehner who were on board with it of "saddling me with $700 billion," as if he actually expects to be the pres who has to clean up this mess.

That is "country first mccain" at his finest.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:36 PM
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38. He wants to die having been president. He must think you can carry that on into the
afterlife! And thank you for explaining it. :-)
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:09 PM
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42. Your summary seems too harsh about the RW Republican Congressmembers
This is an issue where some fiscal conservatives will be on our side. Apparently the right-wingers in the House didn't want to spend $700 billion in taxpayers' money buying up worthless mortgages. Well, crap, neither do I. My impression was that the Dems caved too much on that central component of the Paulson plan.

We hear the mantra "wasteful government spending" about health care, education, etc. Some of those same people are now saying "wasteful government spending" about bailing out Wall Street tycoons. Good for them! This really would be wasteful.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:41 PM
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45. Let me see if I understand your thinking,
according to you, you'll rather the Government bailout Wall street
and the rest of us eat shit, right...
have you taken the time to read through the bill or do a little
research to understand whats going on before siding??? I'll
suggest you do that....
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:17 PM
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52. No, you don't understand my thinking
I don't want the government to bail out Wall Street. That's why I'm inclined to think that the defeat of the bill was a good idea. Some of the best people in the House were against it (Dennis Kucinich, Maurice Hinchey), but even so, most of the Democrats supported it. The key votes to defeat it came from right-wing Republicans.

I have a lot of respect for Barney Frank. He was one of the supporters. Paul Krugman also thought that a bill along these lines was the best that could realistically be hoped for and would be better than doing nothing. Therefore, I don't think opposing it is completely clear, but that's the way I'm leaning.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:19 PM
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3. Holy Wall Of Words, Batman!
:rofl:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:21 PM
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4. Rec'd and ...well, damn!
McCain't definitely looked ashamed Friday night. Thanks for the info! :hi:
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BrainStorm Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:21 PM
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5. I knew it!
This makes total sense.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:22 PM
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6. Isn't there some sort of 4 paragraph rule on DU?
I always thought there was.
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:49 PM
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19. Yep, this is a violation of Fair Use
and DU could get into major trouble with the WaPo.

If possible, the OP should shorten it to 4 paragraphs.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:46 PM
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30. Hopefully they'll forgive us
This is the most amazing thing I've read coming out of Washington in decades. This needs the widest distribution possible.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:24 PM
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8. So, since McSame was not allowed to be the winner, he decided to take his ball and go home???
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:30 PM by BrklynLiberal
someday I will learn to use spellcheck.
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:25 PM
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9. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:45 PM
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46. Get off my lawn n/t
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:28 PM
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10. Republicans need to learn this, and fast:
Don't fuck with Obama.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:28 PM
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11. McCain inserts himself into the process and blows it up. He drags Obama in by getting Bush to
request that he come to a meeting at the White House - Obama couldn't turn that down.

AND NOW - look at how McCain is attacking Obama:

McCain: Obama Thinks Economic Crisis is a “National Problem to be Exploited First and Solved Later”

The Arizonan goes on the attack against his rival in his remarks via satellie to the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance 2008 rally.

“What he doesn’t seem to get is that if we don’t deal with it right now, by working together for the common good, then this crisis could turn into a far-reaching disaster…”

Also hits him on taxes, Iraq. Read full remarks here.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/27/mccain-obama-thinks-economic-crisis-is-a-national-problem-to-be-exploited-first-and-solved-later/


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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:31 PM
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14. Lindsay Graham should be a Pool Boy with all of the water that he
carries for McCain.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:37 PM
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15. Hi Max_powers94,
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:38 PM
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16. OK MR MOD I will remember that next time
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:39 PM by Max_powers94
:hi:
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:39 PM
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17. I HAVE to kick this.... omifrikkinword, what a story.... we're utterly dysfunctional
no wonder the world looks at us aghast, and with horror
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:40 PM
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18. Obama completely OWNS McCain. (long, crossposted)
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 10:41 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
If this (the Washington Post/TPM story) is in any way true, it also means that Obama OWNS McCain psychologically now. It's like the rival high school quarterback who not only beats you in the big game, but is also banging your old girlfriend now too.

I mean, think about it. McCain ginned up this whole suspended campaign game. Obama declined to play. McCain basically FORCED him into the game by prevailing upon Bush to invite Obama to this DC meeting which no way was Obama going to decline.

The idea, we suppose, is that Bush, Obama, and McCain are photographed at an agreement press conference and McCain claims credit for the whole initiative and for corralling everyone together, all presidential-like. And Obama is the little boy who was roped into the big boy's table.

Now Obama apparently had other ideas, and had the brilliant idea that if he was going to be roped into a meeting like this, at least he was going to pin down McCain on whether he was for the bogus House Republicans plan or for the Bush plan or for neither (which, to my knowledge, McCain still has not indicated). He may even have figured out that since McCain was kind of half-assing and seat-of-pantsing this whole thing, that he wouldn't even have a real position prepared, he was just trying to force Obama into some Republican theater, and if Obama called out McCain to take a stand in front of everyone, he wouldn't be prepared to say anything, which he was not.

So McCain, rather than forcing Obama into his theater of presidential heroism and winning all the points, gets humiliated in front of the very meeting he forced Obama into. Not only that, McCain sowed discord and blew up any progress that already existed (which of course he's now trying to blame Obama for) and didn't get his photo op accord. On top of that, he had to back down from his posturing and go to the damn debate, which even Huckabee and Fox News pointed out was a big loss for him. And, to boot, at least there's a fair amount of conventional wisdom that he may have lost that debate.

The humanity! Talk about getting served! No wonder he couldn't look at Obama, even at the handshake, dude was probably balled up with rage.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, though.

If Obama doesn't play chess, he fucking ought to. I think he'd be a damn good player.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:17 PM
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24. Great summary.
Captures the emotional dynamic perfectly.

It sounds like McCain's idea was that he was going to negotiate as a political horse trader -- I give you votes, you write the bill my way -- but Obama was forcing him to take a position on the plan itself. If McCain did so, he would no longer be able to horsetrade. And McCain probably wasn't up on the details anyway, since he said he hadn't read the Paulson plan, which was only 3 pages long.

So he blows up the whole deal, stalks out, and goes home.

Amazing.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Paul Newman's passing
should serve as a reminder - of the power of COOL.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:33 PM
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27. Obama has rented space inside McCain's head.
Debate #2 will be even more interesting if Obama continues to poke at McCain. The Old Man will be seething after looking at O's lead in the polls for two weeks solid.

And your analysis of the DC freak show is dead on. Remember when Obama said 'I don't do cowering?' He wasn't lyin'.

- as
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 03:44 AM
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32. One more thing Obama did, or didn't do
after McCain stormed out of the meeting, and snuck out the back way, Obama did NOT go out and speak before the cameras.

Obama robbed McCain and the GOP the luxury of calling out the Democratic Presidential candidate for politicizing a national crisis.

I realize they have tried to spin Obama in that way but it doesn't stick. Had Obama gone out as some Democratic leaders wanted, the GOP would have have had a field day. It would have given them an opportunity to say to America that Obama is an opportunist and un-presidential; and it would have erased McCain's latest foolishness in the media with that Obama gaff.

Instead, McCain is mad as hell. What he hoped for not only didn't happen, life got a whole lot worse.

Besides looking like a boob with sagging poll numbers, he was forced into a debate he desperately wanted (needed) to rain-check. It would have made a perfect opportunity to have the postponed Presidential debate in lieu of the Vice-Presidential debate next Thursday. A win-win for the McCain-Palin ticket.

Then to make matters worse, while he scowled, Obama won the debate with grace and dignity.

I am so enjoying this. As awful as things have been and are, this theater is enjoyable.

:)

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:04 AM
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33. great thread and great summary, thanks! :) n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:05 AM
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34. Hel-lo!
Obama owns McCain.....

so those who think that McCain not looking at Obama mattered to Obama don't know Obama.
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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:48 PM
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47. That was my take on his not looking Obama in the eye - shame and embarrassment. nt
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:52 PM
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48. I read that he plays poker. n/t
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:16 AM
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51. I hear he plays poker
Dog help the people he plays with.

What all of this boils down to is that Barack cut McCluck's nuts off in front of the Congressional leadership, Chimpy, Bernanke and Paulson. Nice work!
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:50 PM
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20. McCain Is A Moronic Chicken Shit!
The Washington Post account is consistent with other accounts. McCain's attempt to be the hero was bad enough. However, McCain also fucked things up with his indecisiveness. When Obama asked, "What do you think John?" John should have at least generally supported the plan. My take is that McCain had no idea what the plan was. If McCain at least generally supported the plan, he would have put House Republicans in the position of going against their presidential standard bearer. If they supported McCain, then McCain could have still claimed some credit.

HOWEVER, by being an indecisive chicken shit, the House Republicans were free to push thier alternative, and the deal falls apart, because House Republicans want to pin the whole thing on the Democrats. McCain's inaction gave them a free ride to try to let the Democrats alone take the fall.

Absolutely freakin pathetic!
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:53 PM
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21. Oh snap!
What a great line from Pelosi! I am one of the few DUer's who actually like her!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:31 PM
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26. Yes, you are.
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:53 PM
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22. In a nut-shell...Obama does his damage to McCain behind closed doors
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:59 PM
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49. Ol' Br'er Fox thought he was setting a trap for Ol' Br'er Rabbit
But that brier patch he threw him in turned out to be a natural home for smart Br'er Rabbit. He out-foxed ol' Br'er Fox sumpthin' good!

On top o' that, Br'er Fox had to debate Br'er Rabbit the very next night, and let me tell ya, he was a-fumin' mad, he wuz! So's Br'er Rabbit got in a few extra punches that way, too!

(apologies to Uncle Remus, lol)
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:58 PM
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23. Checkmate Grandpa
McCain was seething on Friday night during the debate. It certainly makes sense that this meeting at the WH could be the reason.
Whatever caused the hair across his ass doesn't really matter though; McCain's intemperate, belligerent, condescending attitude and his barely-controlled fury at Obama did not serve him well in the debate and revealed a very unattractive side of the candidate to the public. And it's pretty clear they didn't like what they saw.

I hope at the next debate McCain's is even more furious and frustrated at the state of his campaign. I hope he's on the verge of bleeding ulcers over the fact that he can't rattle Obama. Then maybe he won't even try to disguise his loathing of Obama and even the repugs will have to question the wisdom of putting this man in charge of the country.


:popcorn:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:36 PM
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28. Excellent OP and responses, too. McCain is a nasty, gnarled caricature of a man.
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 11:43 PM
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29. This directly supports the theory that McCain is the lower ranked monkey!
Bottom line is that while the cadre of House Republican ideologues can make some trouble with the troop, they have no real power to stop a deal. Neither does their ally McCain, who will reluctantly support what the Senate comes up with.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 01:10 AM
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31. Big kick for the late nite crowd
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 04:28 AM
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35. Great thread and good responses...K&R nt
:thumbsup:
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:00 PM
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39. Obama called his bluff and showed McCain up in front of...
... his colleagues, House Republicans, and Bush. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OUTSTANDING!
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:30 PM
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40. I can't believe they want to make that idiot Eric Cantor their...
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 07:31 PM by CitizenLeft
...minority leader? Unbelievable. Matthews ripped him to shreds one night when he kept insisting that Petreas and the generals should be making foreign policy instead of the president. Matthews skewered him. It was beautiful.

What are they thinking?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:28 PM
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43. Ha! Barack and co nailed McTroll. Troll lost the round.
He was no savior and no hero. Barack came out looking so much better. As far as Cantor vs. Boner I mean Boehner are the Rethugs serious? Cantor is a grade A idiot. Hey, its their party, not mine. I feel for Paulson here (I know some hate him but he essentially wants to stop a depression), he is trying to do something, anything about this and Shrub us so ignorant and McTroll, Cantor and co are idiots. Begging Nancy Pelosi is an image I would love to have seen. An insurance program? That is so not going to work. Capital gains tax cut as well is crap. Boehner was trying to get this deal done and McTroll came in an ruined it. LOL. About time the Rethugs started turning on McLame. And does everyone think Lindsay Graham is an a total ass? The man is such a kiss ass for McTroll that he doesn't realize McTroll messed up badly.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:35 PM
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44. that's what I thought when I was watching the debate
McCain was still pissed about something that happened in Washington

Well written article/
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:02 AM
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50. Please folks, don't underestimate Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. I went to High School with him
and he has ambitions of higher office---like the White House. I hope the DNC takes him seriously, unlike here, because I know he is one to take it that far. He rearranges high school reunions in order to coincide with elections. His high school folks know him as PD Ryan, but now he is known as Congressman Paul Ryan. We underestimate him at our own peril. I knew this when he ran in 1998 out of his Janesville WI office: a GM UAW town. It just blows my mind that an "nice" asshole is this close to the White House on the republican ticket and no one is paying attention to him at all.
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