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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:04 AM
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Andrew Sullivan a Democrat after Zell's speach?!?
Spotted this gem in Andy Sullivan's blog:

Appealing to the crudest form of patriotism and the easiest smears is wrong when it is performed by the lying Michael Moore and it is wrong when it is spat out by Zell Miller. Last night was therefore a revealing night for me. I watched a Democrat at a GOP Convention convince me that I could never be a Republican. If they wheel out lying, angry old men like this as their keynote, I'll take Obama. Any day.

Click link and scroll to "The Foreign Agent" section

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Has Sully been a Dem for a while and I just didn't catch on???
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:05 AM
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1. He's been long uncomfortable ever since the FMA
While the contrast between Obama and Zell is pretty stark, Sullivan has been leaning away from the GOP for a while.
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Elbowroom Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:14 AM
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2. is there a direct link to this?
I can't even click on the link you posted because Iknow the site is already blocked by Corp. : )

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:26 AM
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3. Lemme try and find the 'indirect' Kurtz link
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 11:27 AM by LeftCoast
It's on WaPo so you should (?) be able to see that I think...

on edit:

Here's the link Howie Kurtz

*Look for the Andrew Sullivan link to find the section*
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:27 AM
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4. That is indeed amazing
Although I doubt the Republicans will shed many tears when he leaves the party.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:29 AM
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5. Yep, just quietly allow the Miller venom to settle on the American public
Republican Hatred exposed for all to see
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:30 AM
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6. Sully is a weird one
He has his moments of sanity and then just as quickly he's back in the Right's camp. I don't know if he's really turned now, but I don't think he's that far from it, especially if the Repubs keep bashing gays.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:33 AM
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7. My take on Sullivan is....
I suspect he's socially a libertarian and an economic conservative. Considering we have an administration that wants to stick their noses in our bedrooms, blur the line between church and state, expand government, and create the largest deficit in American history, there's really nothing for him to support.

True conservatives have no representation in this election.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:38 AM
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8. I think you nailed it!
I'm constantly amazed that so-called conservatives actually support Bush. Personally, I think they just support the Republican "brand-name" and let themselves be fooled over the substantive issues.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:47 AM
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10. It's a football game to these people....
Most don't care where Bush stands on an issue, they just want to win. They think of Democrats as the enemy and the only object of the game is to beat the other "team". Screw the economy, screw the future of this country and the world...just take the ball and run to the endzone. Sometimes the only way to do that is to pull a few face masks, but hey, who cares, it's all about winning the game.

Sad.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:58 AM
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11. I've been thinking of it as
a sort of modern tribal identity. The biggest problem I see with that attitude is that the 'pubbies think that their "tribe" and the US are synonymous and that the Dem "tribe" are the outsiders. At least, that's what the propaganda would have you believe...
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:45 AM
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9. I doubt he's conservative on economics, or much else
I'm not sure what Andrew Sullivan is, beyond neocon. He's for higher taxes, so he's not an old-style economic conservative and he's for active military intervention abroad, so he's not really a foreign-policy conservative.

By the way, I agree that conservatives have no representation in this election, which I think is a shame. I think the country does well (as we did in the Reagan and Clinton presidencies) when both ideologies hold power and have to work together.
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