So MSRNC Sinks To Floating RACIST Memes?

[WeDidIt]

Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell have BOTH come out and stated Obama is partly to blame because he didn't get the Black Caucus on board with the bail out bill.

Barack Obama is NOT EVEN PART OF THE BLACK CAUCUS!

The Black Caucus is a part of the House of Representatives. Barack Obama is in the Senate.

Logically, the only connection that can be drawn is RACE. The logic these racists are floating is, "Since Obama is black, he controls the black caucus."

This is BLATANT RACISM on the part of Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd. There is no excuse for this crap!

[SuperTrouper]

1. They need to be called on this now! Appealing to the worst instincts to

bail out McShame and Sanjayah Palin :mad:

[seabeyond]

2. bi partisan. pelosi delivered her votes. repugs didnt deliver theirs. no fault of dem

all about repugs

[jensmygov]

3. Chuck and Andrea

E-mail@MSNBc?

[Supersedeas]

16. Ms Greenspan has a national platform and she's gonna use it -- Bushler demands it.

[Jennicut]

4. Disgusting. Just because he is half black he needs to get his "homies" on board?

Well I guess McLoser needed the old white men to rally around him and he failed too.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Don't forget Boring Joe's attack of the Jews for having a holiday

I'm waiting for them to blame women, the poor and hispanics.

Although I do think they have already done that....... its class warfare folks, quick find
your favorite whipping boy.

[godai]

6. Todd also asked if Obama did enough to get his early supporters to vote yes.

He knows that it wasn't up to the Democrats to save this bill. What sense would it make for Democrats to help out Repubs who are worried about re-election, who voted no. Todd knows this but he slying plays dumb. At least I think he's only playing dumb.

[SuperTrouper]

18. Suck Toas is a f-ing idiot. What a shame someone with talent like him selling himself like a cheap

whore to the GOP.

[bushisanidiot]

7. Fucking repukes are showing their true racist colors the closer we get to the election.

Chuck and Andrea are idiots and I sure as hell HOPE that Keith O. rips them both a new one tonight!!!!

[gabby garcia]

8. well from that standpoint shouldn't McCain be responsible

for every white vote in the house and senate?

a-holes.

[WeDidIt]

9. Yep, by Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd's logic

McCain is responsible for every white vote in the House!

:grr:

[VeraAgnes]

10. Actually, that responsibility belongs

to Congressman Clyburn (D), to rally/whipp the caucus together. I have to go back and peek at how they voted as it was not something I ever thought of until you mentioned it.

[City Lights]

21. FWIW, Wolf Blizter reported yesterday that 18 members voted for it, 21 against.

If you verify or debunk, please let us know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7253402&mesg_id=7253467

[Supersedeas]

39. maybe Ms. Greenspan should have reported this during her 1hr National Platform

[Mark E. Smith]

11. McCain is to blame because he didn't get the whites on board

[HughMoran]

12. That is wrong in so many ways!!

What the heck is wrong with those people?

[Supersedeas]

44. What!?! Ms. Greenspan and McChuckie are just repeating RW talking points

[City Lights]

13. leslie sanchez started it yesterday on Blitzer's program.

chuck the todd and andrea mitchell greenspan are peddling GOP TALKING POINTS. There is no difference between the GOP paid shills and "journalists" at msnbc/nbc.

on edit - To Blitzer's credit, he actually corrected sanchez on her statement...apparently half the Black Caucus voted for it.

[WeDidIt]

14. Does anybody have emails for Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell

Somebody needs to call them on their blatant RACISM!

[City Lights]

15. I don't. I used...

[e-mail]

I had three returned earlier today that I sent to [e-mail] don't know if their box is full or what.

[WeDidIt]

22. Thanks, just sent off an email

calling them on racism.

[Supersedeas]

41. i'll try that too

[DangerousRhythm]

32. I wrote a nastygram to them...

I used the Morning Joe template on their website. I hope I embarrassed the hell out of them, as I came out blasting with both barrels.

[Supersedeas]

24. who would have guess that the Blacks and Obama are responsible the Ms. Greenspan Wall Street mess

[ProSense]

17. Exactly!

This is beyond despicable.

[WeDidIt]

20. I just sent off a missive

to [e-mail]

[ellacott]

19. This is pretty pathetic

Jesse Jackson Jr. was on a radio program this morning. He voted against the bill and he said the CBC had about 20 members voting against it. He said their main sticking points was protection for homeowners. Nancy Pelosi tried to get him and John Lewis to change their vote but they wouldn't budge.

Pelosi lived up to her word, she said she could get 140 votes from her side. She wasn't going to allow this bill to pass with a majority Dem support because she wasn't going to let the Dems get tagged with this bill.

Chuck Todd knew this. He mentioned it yesterday.

[jbnow]

23. Hold on. Obama was at Congressional Black Caucus's annual conference

and got an award and gave a talk the day after the debate.
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/united-states/phoenix-award-alc-obama-4933.html

I think Andrea said it was a dance he was at with them but in any case she said he was with them and could have encouraged them to vote for it but none of them did.

Only someone on CNN said to Blitzer that none of the Congressional Black Caucus voted for it and he corrected them saying 18 members voted yes and 21 voted no

He was correct
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGUdAgJdBQL0&refer=home

Members of the Hispanic Caucus rejected the measure 12-8 and Congressional Black Caucus members voted 21-18 against the bill.

Mitchell didn't bother to check, just passed on what she heard and people will probably believe her. (Rare that someone like Blitzer bothered to fact check. Good for him) But I don't think she blamed Obama because they were all black but because they were all together.

I could be wrong but I didn't hear Todd mention the black caucus, just that many of Obama's early supporters voted no. Most of the black caucus were not his early supporters.

If we want to send mail it should be to correct Mitchell's big error about their vote, not racism. If he had been with any Dem group giving a big speech that night he'd have been held responsible by her the same way but he was with the black caucus...
It only sounds bad.

[Supersedeas]

43. but McGrumpy avoided the conference all together--and that's leadership Ms Greenspan?

[vaberella]

25. I hate Chuck T. & Andrea M. so much it makes it seem as though I have a love affair w/ freepers. n/t

[spanone]

26. so why didn't mccrook get the old guy white vote? it is fucking racist as hell

[ellacott]

27. Obama IS a member of the CBC

Just a clarification.

[WeDidIt]

30. He's not a leader and not a member of the House n/t

[ellacott]

31. The term congress can be inclusive of Senators

The 110th Congress includes the House and Senate.
http://www.cbcfinc.org/About/CBC/members.html
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30378.pdf

[CitizenLeft]

46. ah, you beat me to it while I was compiling that list... (below)

[vaberella]

28. Why doesn't anyone call them on this shit?! What I find interesting is the hyprocrisy...

So in regards to the White Voters, male or female, who are not voting for Obama---they ignore the prevalent issue of racism. So racism doesn't account for anything and if Obama played that card he would be ripped apart. The MSM pundits make it seem as though racism and bigotry is non-existant.

Then when it comes time to move blame they blame Obama for not engaging the Black Caucaus? Obama is not running as the president of Blacks. These people need to take a brain pill. And because I'm hearing this was started by Leslie Sanchez this brings up the issue of Latino on Black racism. But that's besides the point.

As a candidate of the American people he does not give allegiance to one and his colour doesn't denote his "power" over a select group. The people will make their own decisions. Blacks have their own brains and make their own decisions as to the information in front of them. We don't follow blindly and this notion that Blacks are ALL on boat with Obama is ludicrous.

Where is REAL reporting?! What happened here?

[genna]

49. Let's not go too far with this Latina and/or Black division. It is a bullshit meme if I ever heard

one from the primary.

Look, it is true that people competing for jobs and/or neighborhoods get into it. It is not limited to the Republican Latina on CNN or the ones who said wild things during the primary.

But that in and of itself does not create or promote a black/brown divide. It is also true of lower class or blue collar (whatever term feels more sensitive) whites and blacks. You tell enough low income people that blacks are taking your jobs and your women or encroaching on your former glory enough, there will be some whites who hate black people with an irrational passion. No one is talking about a white/black divide in those terms because it is not helpful of moving forward on the things that bring people together.

It doesn't take a Republican Latina to go back to the one black person answer for all black people rule. Chuck Todd has been denying race from Day 1. He is from the I-don't-see-color movement even when he uses it as a short hand way of explaining something.

Can you cure differences by blowing up on the few foolish individuals that finally JUST SAY IT instead of believe it and say nothing at all?

Maybe, but race will continue to be a factor even when people are chopped up for revealing their unspoken beliefs. The blatant stuff the Republican party says and does, does not make me forget the number of Geraldine Ferraros (and her manifold supporters) on this Democratic side. THAT CONTIGENT WHO SAY I'll get their vote but my sons and daughters better not bring one of them home.

[qanda]

29. Quick. Somebody tell me where to call.

[knixphan]

33. Nastygram sent

thanks for the heads-up.

[CreekDog]

34. you called this right

my reaction was the same. :wtf:

[dgibby]

35. Just sent an e-mail to [e-mail]

Asked them to explain how Obama could be held responsible for the black vote and McCain not responsible for the white vote. Also asked them to explain how that is not racism.:evilgrin:

[Basement Beat]

38. Exactly!

No one calls McCain out for not getting all the white members to vote his way. This pisses me off.

[uponit7771]

36. This is stupid, they've most likely have a ton of calls on this

[elkston]

37. This kind of BS infuriates me.

These sort of naive assumptions arise from white priviledge coupled with limited contact with different variety of blacks.

When you're in the majority, your race is never a factor. Situations are judged on the facts and "people are people". For minorities, race magically trumps facts, logic, and human emotions.

[angstlessk]

40. since he is the 'MOST' liberal democrat would not he caucaus with the LI BERALS

just askin!

[Raschel]

42. Does this mean that McCain should only talk to old people

Sarah only to the less intelligent?

[CitizenLeft]

45. Actually, Barack IS a member of the CBC... just looked...

I was surprised too! Congressional Black Caucus members list. I was listing their names so that I could figure out who voted yea/nay, to get the 18 names (since that's my post that's linked :) ) and came to his name and said, wha?

Had they mentioned that he was a member, it would make more sense... but they left the implication hanging, leaving exactly the impression you noted.

The members who voted yea (or "aye"!):

Cleavers
Davis (Danny)
Brown
Clarke
Clyburn
Davis (Artur)
Edwards
Ellison
Fattah
Lewis
Meek
Meeks
Moore
Rangel
Richardson
Towns
Waters
Watt

BTW, not sure if Barack could arm-twist anyone, he's not a House member, especially when the two Lees, Conyers, and the chairwoman, Kilpatrick, voted no.

It's a bogus argument anyway - the Dems came up with their half, + 20... so they can bite me.

EDIT: ah, Ellacott beat me to it up thread, didn't even see that... doh!

[Cha]

47. chuckie todd and andrea greenspan are so

busted.

[LiberalAndProud]

48. What is it they didn't understand when Pelosi said

that we'd be doing this TOGETHER or we wouldn't be doing it at all? If the Republicans do not feel we are in crisis to the degree that they will fall on their political swords to prevent catastrophe, so be it.

Pelosi delivered more votes than she promised. Boehner did not. She said it. She meant it. She delivered.

Trying to blame that on Obama is beyond stupid.