I worry about the debates..

[kerryin2004]

As you are all aware Bush is an expert debater.. He was able to tear up both Richards and Gore, and we can probably expect the same when he debates Kerry.. I bet the Republicans are expecting a moderate figure 6-8 point gain but I believe if Kerry doesn't hold his own the lead could expand to as much as 15.. I don't believe that a 15 point gain from an expert debater like Bush should be considered out of the question. Is anyone else also feeling worried about the debates??

[sangh0]

1. Bush* has NEVER lost a debate

and Kerry is a pedantic droner. I just hope Kerry makes it through alive and still breathing

[Walt Starr]

2. George W. Bush has never lost a debate in his life

After the 15 point bounce he'll get from the convention, the debates could sink any hope of a win.

[Joylaughter]

3. Dubya might be the best debater ever

seen in a national election. Senator Kerry should only hope that Bush isn't too hard on him.

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[arlib]

42. Don't worry...

...he's only scary to those without a brain. And a sig line like yours. Friend.

[arlib]

44. which i now see...

...you removed. What conviction. You must be a real flip flopper.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

56. Can I use the "master debater" joke again, or would that be wrong?

[wurzel]

4. There will be no debates. Kerry would clean Bush's clock.

Baker has already demanded they be reduced to two. The media did Gore in, while giving Bush a total free ride on every lie he told. That won't happen again.

[QuidditchFan]

5. Yeah, for some reason my thread about this earlier was deleted...

But I think that Kerry could potentially get crushed. I really think that it is Bush's mastery of the issues that makes Kerry an enormous underdog.

[Joylaughter]

15. I worry that Kerry will flip flop

while Bush will clarify. I worry that Dubya might have catastrophic success.

[sangh0]

19. Obviously, the mods are also worried about the debates

I don't blame them. We don't want people to know how worried we are

[QuidditchFan]

25. hahahaha <nm>

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Bush is an articulate debater, bar none. Kerry doesn't stand a chance.

He should just concede the election during the debates. It'll save the Repubs the hassle of dumping all those votes in the lake or cyber hell.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. "Is anyone else also feeling worried about the debates??"

No. Next question.....

[QuidditchFan]

13. If you aren't feeling worried, you haven't been paying attention

to Bush's masterful performances in the past.

[Shrek]

36. Your overconfidence is misplaced

The debates have the potential to sink the Kerry candidacy once and for all.

[LuminousX]

8. Bush's debate performance has been excellent

and unbeatable. If Kerry can hold his own, Kerry is doing a great job.

[LuminousX]

16. Let's not forget what a wonk Bush is about national security and terrorism

[West Coast Democrat]

10. Our problem is, Bush really has an expert knowledge of the facts

They can ask him an unscripted question, and he's always able to come up with a brilliant answer at the drop of a hat. How can anyone compete with Bush's brilliance?

[AlCzervik]

11. seek help

Are you reading from rnc talking points?

[LuminousX]

18. Just playing the expectation game

[Walt Starr]

26. No, reading from the DU talking points

Raise the Bar on Bush.

Last set of debates, the expectations were set so low that so long as Bush didn't deficate his pants, curl up into a fetal position and begin sucking his thumb, he won.

Can't let that happen again.

[AlCzervik]

40. OK, sorry missed the sarcasm so in that case

Bush's mastery of the English language is only exceed by vast knowledge of world affairs and breathtakingly high IQ.

[denverbill]

12. I worry more about the Cheney-Edwards debate.

With the charismatic, silver-tongued Cheney beating the lifeless, scowling Edwards, they might get a 25% jump from that debate alone.

[West Coast Democrat]

20. You're right...all we can hope for is that Dick has a bad hair day

[johnnie]

32. That is funny...thanks

[Joylaughter]

22. Cheney's winning smile

will trump the stiff uncomfortable rhetoric of this trial lawyer.

[Nite Owl]

30. Yeah if Edwards

were to say Boo too loud he would have the medics up there giving him CPR and that could give him the sympathy vote. Edwards better not be too mean.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

14. bush is one of the great minds of this century

i don't even know why kerry agreed to any debats?

[LuminousX]

21. Kerry did get it down from three to two, right? I hope so

[Joylaughter]

28. Kerry should just refuse to debate

It can only help the Bush. He's smarter and soooooooo compassionate.

[Protected]

17. Bush will get a huge bump from the debates

I mean I wouldn't be surprised that after this convention and the debates that he's a solid 30 points ahead. People will vote for him because they feel safer with him in power.

[Union Thug]

23. Are you guys smoking the blue crack again?

In a real debate, where the questions are NOT pre-planned and answer pre-scripted, Bush would collapse into a ball mumbling ball of red-orange snot in a matter of moments against Kerry.

[HFishbine]

24. Nevermind

D'oh!

[LuminousX]

29. At least a 15% gain for Bush, anything less should be seen as complete

failure

[arlib]

41. I can tell that...

...more than a few of these posts are a little, er, sarcastic. But some of them I really wonder about. Like the one that started this whole thread. That person can't really be serious can they? I thought that Gore flattened Bush in the 1st debate, though the "liberal media" didn't like the fact that Gore sighed a couple of times. WTF?!?!?!?

[cthrumatrix]

bush walks on water - he is the "master debater".... he's in stealth

mode ... lurking and waiting for these contests

[spanone]

27. BULLSHIT bush* is not a expert debater

I watched ALL of the 2000 debates and bush* fumbled through those just like he does a press conference today. The only reason they called it a draw or a win was because the expectations were ZERO.

[LuminousX]

31. Bush has never lost a debate

We are just playing the expectation game.

[spanone]

47. Says who???

[QuidditchFan]

34. Bingo

Now quit ruining it for the rest of us! ;)

[MissB]

37. Psst

(This thread is about raising the expectations for Bush, and lowering them for Kerry)

End Pssstttt..

[SheepyMcSheepster]

45. he was just being modest, he knew he could beat gore

without showing all of his intellectual prowess.

[spanone]

50. You're right. bush* the genius. I have seen the light!!!!

He kan vurbalizuate with thu best uv em.

[zulchzulu]

33. Kerry will absolutely clean Chimpy's clock

bush will want to make Kerry laugh or use some kind of "I'm a good person" act, but I think most people will see right through him.

As long as Kerry keeps his responses succinct and then lands some major punches at the end, he will do very well.

[fdr_hst_fan]

35. Don't worry about the debates;

I have it on good authority that Smirk has them ALL SEWED UP!

[tridim]

38. There's no way Kerry can win against Jesu.. I mean Bush

Just look at his answer to the American Indian sovereignty question. Sheer brilliance! Kerry is so toast.

[griffi94]

39. i think kerry could

beat dubya maybe....but when you factor in the fact that god wants dubya to be president....well it'gets pretty sticky don't it?

i mean how do you debate god?

[johnnie]

43. Yes

It's bush's resolve, resolve, resolve, resolve that will win it for him. And he has that "fighting in the Viet-Nam jungles" stern and experienced look to him. His vocabulary even extends Webster's, so he has this uncanny knack for the perfect word at the perfect time.
Oh yeah..and resolve.

[restorefreedom]

46. am I on the right website????

Or I am I talking to freepers?

People - Bush is NOT a good debater! - he smirks and jokes his way through.

And if he doesn't have a wire so KKKarl Rove can feed him lines, he's toast.

Kerry has so much to work with that it's going to be a joy to watch!!!

[iwantmycountryback]

51. This is all sarcasm

We're trying to raise Bush's expectations. Ya see? ;)

[kerryin2004]

52. Where have you been the last 12 years??

Bush has never lost a debate.. The man is simply brilliant and we can only hope for the best when the debates do occur.. I hope Kerry can at least stand with him.

[tridim]

55. It's sarcasm, but I think there are some Freeper responses

mixed into the thread. If you can pick them out you win a prize.

[klook]

48. Bush won't debate, per se

He'll use his usual tactic of evading questions and spewing out his practiced one-liners and canned talking points. He will avoid anything complex, because he doesn't have an in-depth understanding of the issues. If Kerry tries to show him up by going into long-winded discussions of issues or tripping him up on details, Bush will just come back with some quaint crap like "Well I think we oughta be protectin' our childern's future. We cain't afford to give evil a moment's rest."

Don Sipple, a Bush political adviser in the 1994 race, was quoted in a 2000 Dallas Morning News article saying, "He needs to stay with what he's comfortable with, and that's thinking thematically, not programmatically. Don't take the bait and try to prove he knows as much about some little bit of federal government. The voters don't score this stuff on points."

I'm not worried about how Kerry will do, but I think it's key to realize what Bush's debating "strengths" are (posing vs. substance, one-liners vs. intelligent analysis) and learn how to beat them. I think Kerry should use a variety of approaches--sometimes using short, punchy expressions, and sometimes providing a glimmer of his comprehension of the complexity of issues (without getting too deep).

[Scorpious_Maximus]

49. It's really going to be tough for Kerry

[depakid]

53. Bush is an expert debater?

PUHLEEES.... Do you really believe that?

Competent high school kids are more effective than that idiot.

If Kerry would just take the gloves off and show a little wit, he could easily expose Bush for the fraud that he is. Unfortunately, he's been getting VERY bad advice from his consultants and "strategist," so actually, I'm worried about the debates, too.

[lunarboy13]

54. Oh I Agree...

I mean, Bush thinks so fast on his feet and mis-speaks so rarely, Kerry needs a miracle to win any of the debates. Bush's position is especially stengthened when he discusses how effective and error-free the Iraq war has been. Yes, not only will the undecideds (who make up between 5 and 6 percent) of the electorate swing towards W, but also another 9 to 10 percent of the Democrats who want a stronger, more oppresive version of the Patriot Act.

Yes, in the debates, John Kerry doesn't stand a chance...


~sarcasm off~

[tandot]

67. John Kerry will be toast after the debates...

I agree. Bush is undeniably the best orator ever. He is so utterly coherent, precise, and clear.

Kerry is in deep, deep trouble.



Hi, lunarboy13

:loveya:

[Trajan]

57. LMFAO !...

Here we go again ....

Er .... yeah ... Bush will WIPE THE FREEKIN FLOOR with poor ole Kerry ....

How did we let this happen: stupid ole Kerry going against that brilliant, magnificent, well-spoken, texas business man ....

ALL cattle and NO hat ? ....

Chuckles ...... ehem ...

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. Sad that we ever thought that we had a chance, isn't it?

:shrug:

[drdigi420]

59. Luckily for us, CNN and FOX will spin it so Kerry won

Damned liberal media

[swcl]

60. The debates won't matter

If Bush does even a halfway decent job tonight, he will have the election wrapped up. After this amazingly inspiring convention, only a completely disastrous speech could keep him from opening up an insurmountable lead. We're doomed!

[West Coast Democrat]

61. You're so right. As long as Bush's props don't malfunction tonight...

it's all over.

[A_Possum]

66. Hasn't it been inspiring?

They've wrapped it up. Didn't hit an off-note. Paragons of perfection. Who could resist falling in love with those people?

[grannyb]

62. replies are amusing but

gore won the debates in 2000 and when the media was done bush won them back. was listening to npr today and a prof. was talking about this said that the viewers don't decide who win the media does. he said after most debates are done the majority are judged to be close by the viewers but a week later the viewer will judge whomever the media picks to be the winner. guess who's going to get to be the winner after these debates. bush will win unless he chokes to death on a pretzel and then he'll still get the sympathy vote.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

63. Except this time around the media will have an organized group watching

them do this and they will be under a great deal more scrutiny.

[spanone]

64. With all the freeping sarcasm can escape me. Oh well.

[gollygee]

65. I'm always worried when Bush opens his mouth

He is such an articulate speaker. He might say something really meaningful.