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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:46 PM
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Scarborough and Frum piggybacking on the "Kerry response weak" lie.
David Frum, is appearing on the talk circuit to try out the oligarchy's new political tack: Kerry's responses are weak and ineffective. Compared to the inane bluster coming from the RNC, Kerry's response is a tonic for those who long for real solutions to real problems.

Frum is a "neo-con", attended Yale (George Walker Bush's alma mater) and was a speech writer on economics and Canadian politics for G.W. Bush until 2003. Frum is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and also contributes to The National Review, the Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and Britain's conservative paper of record, The Daily Telegraph. His name is associated with the Wall Street Journal.

Frum helped coin the phrase "Axis of Evil" while writing speeches for G.W. Bush. One story is that he lost his job when his wife publicly boasted of his coining that phrase.

It is a fair question to ask whether the carping and grousing from some in our party (most high profile Democrats have been remarkably disciplined) is more important to them than defending our candidate. There is a wealth of responses from the Kerry camp and their surrogates that we could elevate here and elsewhere. It is counterproductive and false to assert that our candidate's responses and appeals are weak or inneffective. Now it appears that the priority of some to harrangue about our nominees first, before they flatten Bush and his cabal, will put them in league with the opposition's rhetoric.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:51 PM
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1. Today's subliminal Republican line
is we dare Kerry to say something about our lies and slander.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:55 PM
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2. I'm yet to notice the kind
of firm response from the Kerry people that actually counters in any effective way the Swift Boat Veterans' Lies. For that matter, why the hell isn't W's service record under attack? Why aren't we seeing ads that point out almost no one in the Bush administration served? Not Dick Cheney, not Dick Armey, not Karl Rove, not Bill Frist, not Newt Gingrich, not John Ashcroft, not Rush Limbaugh (okay, so Rush isn't in the administration, but he's so vocal about Kerry's flaws he deserves to be hammered with his own record). The list goes on and on. In fact, naming those who actually did serve is shorter: Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Bob Dole, and John McCain are pretty much the sum total of prominent living Republicans who actually served.

Playing nice is NOT going to win this election. Rolling over and letting lies be spread about, thinking that good intelligent people will see through those lies is simply naive. We should be seeing constant attack ads talking about the whole service thing, the continued loss of jobs -- just imagine the human interest ads that could be done! All those wonderful Bush in 30 Seconds ads should be shown, over and over.

This isn't running for student council president. It's the real thing. I wish these guys would act like it is.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:57 PM
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3. Bush's service record not under attack?
Didn't you see Bob Kerrey yesterday? He was all over it, and the rest of the chickenhawks.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:10 PM
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8. Kerry himself must challenge Bush on being AWOL
otherwise the issue will disappear. The media is not going to do JK's dirty work for him. He needs to roll up his sleeves and get at it. The facts are on his side and they opened up this can of worms.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:31 PM
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18. challenging Bush on being AWOL
April 27, 2004
Key Unanswered Questions: Bush’s Record In The National Guard
For Immediate Release

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0427b.html

“If George Bush wants to ask me questions about that through his surrogates, he owes America an explanation about whether or not he showed up for duty in the National Guard. Prove it. That's what we ought to have. I'm not going to stand around and let them play games.” -- John Kerry, NBC News, 4/26/04


Bush Has Said He Used No Special Treatment To Get Into The Guard. How Does He Explain The Fact That He Jumped Ahead Of 150 Applicants Despite Low Pilot Aptitude Scores?

Col. Albert Lloyd Said A Report From Alabama To Ellington Should Have Been Filed. Where Is That Report?

Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?

Where Are The Complete Results Of The Required Investigation Into Bush’s Absence From The Exam?

Why Did Bush Specifically Request To NOT Be Sent Overseas For Duty?

Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?

Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders To Not Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?

Where Are Bush’s Flight Logs?

Why Hasn’t Bush Himself Demonstrated That He Showed Up For Service in Alabama?

Bush Has Said He Used No Special Treatment To Get Into The Guard. How Does He Explain The Fact That He Jumped Ahead Of 150 Applicants Despite Low Pilot Aptitude Scores?
“There was no special treatment.”

--Then-Gov. George W. Bush

FACT: With Family Connection, Bush Got Coveted Slot in Texas Guard Shortly After Graduating from College.

A family friend of Bush’s father pulled strings to secure Bush’s spot; Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard after his student deferment ran out when he graduated from Yale in 1968. Before he graduated, Bush personally visited Col. Walter “Buck” Staudt -- the commander of the Texas Air National Guard -- to talk about the Guard. After Bush met with Staudt, he applied and was quickly accepted -- despite a waiting list of over 150 applicants. Staudt recommended Bush for a direct appointment, which allowed Bush to become a second lieutenant right out of basic training without having to go though officer candidate school. The direct appointment also cleared the way for a position in pilot training school.

FACT: Bush Scored in 25th Percentile on Pilot Aptitude Test. When Bush applied for the Guard, his score on the Air Force pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers.

FACT: No Shortage of Pilots in Texas Guard. Although a Bush spokesman claimed Bush was fast-tracked because the Guard needed pilots, Charles C. Shoemake, a chief of personnel in the Texas Guard from 1972 to 1980 remembered no such shortage. “We had so many people coming in who were super-qualified,” Shoemake said. Texas Guard Historian Tom Hail said there was no apparent need to fast-track applicants. “I’ve never heard of that,” he said. “Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons.” Col. Albert Lloyd Said A Report From Alabama To Ellington Should Have Been Filed. Where Is That Report?

FACT: Col. Lloyd: Guard Records Should Include Evidence Of Alabama Service. Lloyd also said he did not know whether Bush performed duty in Alabama. “If he did, his drill attendance should have been certified and sent to Ellington, and there would have been a record.”

FACT: White House’s Own Expert Said Bush Should Have Done More. According to the Globe, “the White House included with the documents a memorandum from a Texas Air National Guard personnel specialist stating that the documents prove that Bush had a ‘satisfactory year’ for ‘retirement/retention’ purposes between May 27, 1972, and May 26, 1973. But that specialist, retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert C. Lloyd Jr., acknowledged in an interview last night that he evaluated Bush using the lower of two measures for rating Guard service. Guardsmen, he said, needed to serve more days to meet minimum-training requirements than to meet the lower threshold to receive retirement credit for the year. ‘Should he have done more? Yes, he should have,’ Lloyd said of Bush, who was a fighter-interceptor pilot. ‘Did he have to? No.’” Why Did Bush Miss His Medical Exam In 1972?

FACT: Bush Was Suspended From Flight Duty For Failing To Take Mandated Medical Exam.

On September 29, 1972, Bush was officially suspended from flying for missing his annual medical examination. The orders note that Bush’s suspension is authorized under the guidelines presented in Air Force Manual 35-12 Para 2-29m, which reads that Bush’s local commander “will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination.” Where Are The Complete Results Of The Required Investigation Into Bush’s Absence From The Exam?

FACT: The order suspending Bush from flight duty stated: “Verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT George W. Bush…from flying status are confirmed…Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13.

Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13: “When a Rated Officer Fails To Accomplish a Medical Examination Prescribed by AFM 160-1…(1)The local commander who has authority to convene a Flying Evaluation Board will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination. After reviewing the findings of the investigation, the local commander may convene a Flying Evaluation Board or forward through command channels a detailed report of the circumstances which resulted in the officer’s failure to accomplish a medical examination, along with a recommendation that the suspension be removed. (2) The individual’s major command will forward the report along with the command recommendation to USAFMPC/DPMAJD, Randolph AFB TX 78148 for final determination.” Why Did Bush Specifically Request NOT To Be Sent Overseas For Duty?

FACT: Bush’s Application Indicated Bush Did Not Volunteer for Overseas Duty. On Bush’s application to the 147th Fighter Group at Ellington Air Force Base in Texas, Bush was asked what his “Area Assignment Preferences” were. Bush checked the box beside “Do Not Volunteer” for overseas duty. Why Does The White House Say Bush Was On Base When Bush’s Superiors Had Filed A Report Saying He Was Gone For A Whole Year?

FACT: Bush’s Superiors Were Unable to Evaluate Him for a Full Year, Saying he “Has Not Been Observed at This Unit…”
May 2, 1973: Bush’s superior officers William D. Harris Jr. and Jerry B. Killian, wrote on his yearly evaluation form, “Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report,” and that a “civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a non flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama.”

…But the White House Claims Bush was on Base the Same Day Superiors Filed Report.
White House release says Bush was paid on May 2, 1973, the very day his superiors reported that “Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report.” <2nd Q 1973 pay record>

FACT: Bush’s Superior Officer Says He Would Have Known If Bush Had Reported for Duty.
November 12, 1973: Rufus G. Martin signed a report on Bush’s evaluation, saying Bush was “Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 April 73.”

Boston Globe: “But retired colonel Martin, the unit's former administrative officer, said he too thought Bush had been in Alabama for that entire year. Harris and Killian, he said, would have known if Bush returned to duty at Ellington.”

Why Is The Pentagon Under Orders Not To Discuss Bush’s Record With Reporters?
FACT: Freedom of Information Officers Under Orders From Senior Pentagon Officials To Ignore Requests on Bush Files. According to the Spokane Spokesman-Review, “at the National Guard Bureau, now headed by a Bush appointee from Texas, officials last week said they were under orders not to answer questions. The bureau's chief historian said he couldn't discuss questions about Bush's military service on orders from the Pentagon. ‘If it has to do with George W. Bush, the Texas Air National Guard or the Vietnam War, I can't talk with you,’ said Charles Gross, chief historian for the National Guard Bureau in Washington, D.C. Rose Bird, Freedom of Information Act officer for the bureau, said her office stopped taking records requests on Bush's military service in mid-February and is directing all inquiries to the Pentagon. She would not provide a reason. Air Force and Texas Air National Guard officials did not respond to written questions about the issue. James Hogan, a records coordinator at the Pentagon, said senior Defense Department officials had directed the National Guard Bureau not to respond to questions about Bush's military records.”


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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 05:16 PM
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32. hidden away in a corner of the kerry web site
is not what i have in mind. i know they have the facts. i'm encouraged that they've done sufficient research on the issue - now they have to use it. what good is this stuff is they don't blast bush with it? gather the facts put it all in aneat little media friendly package. get affadavits if necesary. line up some surrogates to get out on the shows (bob kerrey, cleland, etc). get all then ducks in a row - then have jk call bush out on the stump. it will be like a ton of dynamite has hit the campaign.
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wwbarnes Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:32 PM
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20. I Agree, With One Caveat
... this crap has gone on long enough. Sad thing is it might be too late, though. See, by napping halfway August and thinking it would go away, Kerry allowed Bush-Rove to set the agenda.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:40 PM
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24. That move by the Bush camp also detracts from their positive agenda
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 03:40 PM by bigtree
if the had one.

It also serves to draw attention to Bush's absense from duty and Cheney's refusal to serve. It has distracted attention from their convention, and along with the venom from the convention speakers it serves to solidify the image of the republicans as the angry party.

The discredited lies are now a blur of slander that will cast doubt on future charges leveled by the Bush camp.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:09 PM
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5. Kerry's response IS weak and it makes people think HE's weak
you are right of course but most of the folks here seem to think that the only way to support the ticket is to all agree taht their absurd strategy is working. John Kerry needs to get out on the stump and publicly ask Bush where he was when he was supposed to be serving in the TANG. Any other rrsponse by the JK camp will be ignored by the media and laughed at by the GOP.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:29 PM
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17. Kerry condemned MoveOn.org for an AWOL ad
There's no way Kerry can raise the issue now.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:33 PM
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21. It gave him the upper hand to denounce the swiftboat ads
He knew well that Moveon wouldn't stop. Then he filed a FEC complaint against the Bush Swiftliar's ad.
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wwbarnes Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:49 PM
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26. What "Upper Hand?"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:58 PM
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27. hands clean
rightous indignation . . .
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 04:01 PM
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29. You'll also note
Kerry says "Stop ads", ads stop; Junior Flyboy says "Stop ads", ads no stop.

If the people on his own side don't respect this unelected drunk or pay attention to a thing he says, why would anyone in the Middle East or the rest of the world?
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 05:10 PM
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30. people think kerry is a pussy
what upper hand? the sbl's will continue to the end. you and kerry are playing chess and the other guys have a switchblade and brass knuckles. spare me please.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 05:14 PM
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31. Who does? The folks that get a chubby cause Ahnuld is manly?
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 05:18 PM
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33. no the people i talk to every day who support kerry
but are sick of watching them kick the crap out him with no passionate response. at this point it's not so much the lies as his wimpy response that's hurting him.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:10 PM
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7. firm responses
Kerry: Why Won't Bush Just Denounce the Swift Boat Ads?
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35293

Kerry Campaign Asks Bush-Cheney to Explain 'Web of Connections'
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35268

Kerry-Edwards: Bush's Web of Connection to Smear Grows Wider
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35201

Kerry: Fact Sheet - Hand-in-Glove - The Bush-Cheney Ties to Swift Boat Veterans for 'Truth'
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35185

Kerry: Cleland and Rassmann Deliver Message from Congressional Vets to President in Crawford, Texas - Denounce the Ads
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35183

Kerry-Edwards: America's Swift Reaction to Bush Backers' Latest 'Ugly' Lying Smear Campaign
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35112

Kerry-Edwards: Bush-Backed Smear Campaign Continues to Backfire; Lautenberg, Turner, Other Veteran Who Served with Kerry Speak Out
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35109

Kerry-Edwards: Reports Detail Even Closer Ties to Bush Campaign; No Wonder Bush Won't Condemn This Smear-His Campaign is Behind It
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=35022

Kerry: Bush Campaign Busted Passing Out 'Swift Boat Veterans for Bush' Flyer
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34996

More Republican Ties Revealed Behind "Swift Boat Vets For Bush", Says Kerry Campaign
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34994

Kerry Statement on Bush Front Group 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth'
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34918

Kerry-Edwards Campaign Debunks False Swift Boat Attacks; Sets the Record Straight With New Ad
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34911

Kerry Campaign: Bush Too Busy Attacking to Get the Facts Right
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34788

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Will Distribute News Via U.S. Newswire: In a Campaign First, News Will Appear On Yahoo! News/Politics
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34753

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:28 PM
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16. Other people have noticed it, though...
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 03:29 PM by MrBenchley
Limbaugh is trying to convince his dittoheads now that the Clintons are really behind the slimeboatters...he wouldn't be doing that if the ad campaign was a success....

"Playing nice is NOT going to win this election."
The only hope the GOP has is a really nasty pissing contest from both sides that turns off moderate voters. Think about this...if that wasn't true, Frick and Frack on MSNBC wouldn't be fussing about "Is Kerry too Nice?"

Frum and Scarborough aren't trying to help Democrats win.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:03 PM
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4. I don't see a wealth of responses.
Devine last night, Edwards this morning, Rubin and Clark today.

That's not a wealth of responses when your candidate was called basically a traitor and a coward (via innuendo, which the rethugs excel at) by zig-zag and Cheney last night in front of a national TV audience.

We can argue all you want about how effective these responses have been, but my opinion is the only one that was nearly tough enough was Devine. I only saw a bit of edwards.

The charges that zig zag and cheney leveled last night don't warrant a "thoughtful, well-reasoned" response. They warrant an equally vicious response, repeated over and over again.
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wwbarnes Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:10 PM
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6. I Agree With You
The Democrats seem to think that there is something wrong with giving it all you've got, hitting back when you've been hit, and throwing punches of your own. Come on, this is a fight. If Kerry and his people don't understand by now that Bush will throw anything and everything at them, that there's no lie too low for the other side to use, then they will never get it. Unless he gets it and gets it soon, Kerry will lose the election and will deserve to lose it.

We're Democrats. We are the ones who actually fight the wars that the Republicans start. So god damn it, Kerry and the rest of you, take off your bow ties, get in the ring and go kick the shit out of those people. Don't sit there like some college professor and look down your nose at the ruffians in the town. That rough town is going to decide who'll be the next president.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:13 PM
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9. more responses
Here's a good source for releases that aren't on his site and don't always make the network news. http://releases.usnewswire.com /

Kerry Campaign: Halliburton Goes for Gold - In Scandal Pentathlon
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=133-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Releases Fact Sheet on Bush-Cheney Ad
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=134-08 ...

White House Again Refuses to Condemn Blatantly False Ad, Says Kerry-Edwards 2004
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=144-08 ...

Statement from Kerry Advisor Rand Beers on President's Remarks in Florida
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=137-08 ...

Statement by John Kerry on the Selection of Porter Goss to be Director of CIA
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=136-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Fact Sheet: George Bush's Failed Fiscal Policies
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=119-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Releases Report: Bush's Failed Fiscal Policies; Former Treasury Secretary to Discuss Report on 11:30 a.m. Call
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=117-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards: Committed to Ensuring Nevada Does Not Become A Nuclear Waste Repository
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=108-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Releases Bush-Cheney Ad Fact Check: "Ownership"
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=133-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards Campaign Response to Bush Radio Address
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=104-08 ...

Kerry Campaign Response to Latest Misleading Bush-Cheney Ad - 'Clockwork'
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=146-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004 Fact Sheet: Aug. 6 Anniversary -- Three Years Later, Problems Still Exist
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=131-08 ...

Kerry Statement on Latest Jobs Numbers
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=124-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards 2004: Halliburton Fined for Accounting Gimmicks While Cheney was CEO
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=140-08 ...

Kerry-Edwards Fact Sheet: Dick Cheney's Legislative Accomplishments ... Both of Them
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=142-08 ...

Kerry Campaign: George W. Bush - We Agree, Results Matter
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=125-08 ...

Kerry Campaign Reality Check: White House Claims on Implementing 9/11 Commission Recommendations
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=122-08 ...

Did He Really Say That? -- Kerry-Edwards Campaign Comment on Remarks by Sen. Zell Miller on 'Meet The Press'
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=103-08 ...


more: http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/current.htm
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:14 PM
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10. more
Kerry Criticizes Bush for Space Vision
http://www.space.com/spacenews/kerry_040616.html

Kerry criticizes Bush on military record
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/26kerry.html

Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8202438.htm...

NPR : Kerry Criticizes Bush on Iraq
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1842198

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Military Policy
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/200...

Kerry Criticizes Bush's Iraq Policy (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-03182004-2664...

Kerry Criticizes Bush Policy On Haiti
http://www.mattapanonline.org/Kerry_on%20Haiti.htm

Report: Kerry Criticizes Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV05202002B.html

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes President, Then Undergoes Surgery
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40572-2004Mar...

KSL News: Kerry Criticizes Bush Over Gay Marriage
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=77296&nid=6

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on U.S. Security
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0304/132238.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry Criticizes Bush's Definition of Values
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

washingtonpost.com: Kerry Criticizes Bush For Attacks on Clarke
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29991-2004Mar...

Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200406/POL2004061...

Yahoo! News - Kerry Criticizes Bush on Saudi Meeting
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=7...

RightNation.US -> Kerry Criticizes Bush for Red Carpet Expense
http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=42...

Kerry criticizes Bush for siding with drug companies in new ad
http://www.wtvo.com/Global/story.asp?S=1533926

USATODAY.com - Kerry criticizes Bush on meeting with Saudi leader
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush's Daytona 'photo opportunity'
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040216-14...

Kerry criticizes Bush on Iraq, treatment of U.S. veterans
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archi...

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Kerry criticizes Bush over oil report
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040419-15...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes Bush, Cheney on Military
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C118380%2C00.htm...

ABC 7 News - Kerry Criticizes Bush for Bioethics Panel
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0204/129618.html

Kerry criticizes U.S. oil policies during Seattle campaign swing
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/175067_kerrystate.h...

AP Wire | 07/10/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Education
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/62...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Criticizes 'Separate and Unequal' Schools
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C120098%2C00.htm...

Kerry criticizes Bush on nuclear threat, outlines plan to slow spread
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8812087.htm?...

AP Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for failed policies
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/8202438.htm

AP Wire | 03/14/2003 | Kerry Criticizes Bush on Diplomacy
http://www.dfw.com/mld/state/5388491.htm

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Criticizes 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3346936/detail.html

News-Leader.com | True Ozarks | Kerry criticizes Bush on stem-cell, science policies
http://www.news-leader.com/_tuesday/0622-Kerrycriti-117...

Kerry criticizes Bush over gay marriage, broken promises after winning three more states
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18597_20040225.h...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes Bush's record on jobs, health care, terror
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001863810_campai...

The Seattle Times: Kerry criticizes firing of worker over photo
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2001912775_iraqdi...

Kerry Campaign Criticizes Those Who Defend 'Outsourcing'
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200407/POL2004070...

KRT Wire | 07/15/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for rejection of NAACP invite
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/politics/9165213.htm

KR Washington Bureau | 07/16/2004 | Kerry criticizes Bush for intelligence failures in Iraq
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

KRT Wire | 03/17/2004 | Kerry Criticizes Bush for Failing to Protect Troops in Iraq
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/...

KSAT.com - News - Kerry Criticizes Bush During Speech In S.A.
http://www.ksat.com/news/2430649/detail.html

Capitol Hill Watch | Sen. Kerry Criticizes Wait List for Veterans Seeking Health Services
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cf...

The Salt Lake Tribune -- Kerry criticizes Bush for failing to rally more allies
http://www.sltrib2002.com/2004/Jun/06292004/nation_w/17...

t r u t h o u t - Senator Kerry Criticizes U.S. Tactics
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9174072.htm

Kerry Criticizes Bush on 9/11 Response lans to Reimburse Familes for Body Armor
http://www.blog.johnkerry.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?e...

ABC13.com: John Kerry makes stop in Houston; criticizes Pres. Bush
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/042204_local_kerry.htm...

KRT Wire | 12/03/2002 | Kerry proposes tax cuts, criticizes Bush tax policy
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/46579...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:15 PM
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11. more
MSNBC - Kerry rips ‘character assassination’ of Clarke
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4615144

Democrat Kerry Still Critical of Bush Administration -- 12/14/2003
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page= \Politics\archive\200312\POL20031214a.html

NPR : Kerry Critical of Bush's Iraq Plans
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1837708

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Politics -- Bush aides tout job growth, but Kerry critical
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/federal/200...

Kerry Says US Needs Its Own 'Regime Change'
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0403-08.htm

Kerry Responds to Combat Injury Questions (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-04212004-2866...

John Kerry Responds To Draft Dodging GOP
http://www.bushalert.com/news/95

Lean Left: Kerry Responds with Ads
http://www.leanleft.com/archives/002883.html

ContraCostaTimes.com | 03/13/2004 | Kerry responds to Bush attack ad
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/817793...

NBC11.com - Politics - Kerry Responds To Charges He Tossed War Medals
http://www.nbc11.com/politics/3228428/detail.html

U.S. Newswire - Kerry Campaign Responds to Revised Terror Report
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=140-06...

swisspolitics.org | Kerry responds to Bush video
http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=...

KTVU.com - Politics - New Kerry Ad Responds To Bush's Claims
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/2919181/detail.html

Kerry Campaign Responds to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan Attacks ::
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_031...

MSNBC - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on Senate voting record
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4344203

Kerry Attacks Bush's Military Policies
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/...

Kerry Attacks Bush Foreign Policy
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text5-28-2004-54778.as...

Kerry attacks Bush on foreign policy
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8461907.htm...

IHT: Kerry attacks Bush on schools
http://www.iht.com/articles/518430.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Attacks Bush Energy Policy
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/kerry...

CNN.com - Kerry hits Bush reaction to 9/11 attack news - Aug 5, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/05/kerry.911

Kerry Attacks Bush On Tepid Jobs Growth
http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=23...

WYTV - Kerry Attacks Bush in Valley Speech
http://www.wytv.com/news/headlines/698977.html

Kerry again attacks Bush administration
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20030426/FP_00...

John Kerry Attacks Bush on Stem Cell Research Policy
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=31&a...

Herald.com | 04/06/2004 | Kerry attacks Bush's spending
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/8364...

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Attacks Bush Compassionate Conservatism
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C122688%2C00.htm...

The Left Coaster: Kerry Attacks Bush on Iraq, Veterans Issues At VFW Convention
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/000507.html

Kerry presses attacks on Bush
http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/160393-5460-093.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry Attacks Bush's Record on Defending Homeland
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2...

Portsmouth Herald Local News: Kerry attacks aimed at Bush
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/02172004/news/351.ht...

KTVU.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush's Conduct Of War
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3016233/detail.html

Kerry attacks Bush on science - (United Press International)
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040621-012423-2...

FOXNews.com - Politics - Kerry Attacks Bush While Defending Iraq Resolution Vote
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C92547%2C00.html

ABCNEWS.com : Kerry Sharpens Attacks Against Iraq War
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040618_118.html

Democratic Underground Forums - Kerry remembers Kennedy, attacks Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Seattle Times: National politics: Kerry attacks Bush as divisive president
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationalpolitics/...

Kerry Attacks Bush On Education, Affirmative Action at Brown Anniversary Ceremony -- GOPUSA
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/may/0518_brown_annivers...

RobBernard.com: Kerry attacks Bush team as "crooked" and liars
http://www.robbernard.com/archives/000990.html

Yahoo! News - Kerry attacks Bush terror policy after new al-Qaeda warning
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT8D4D3C000A7949799ABB344C...

USATODAY.com - Kerry blasts Bush over attacks on record
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Kerry Campaign Attacks Cheney re: Halliburton
http://www.the-hamster.com/mtype/archives/001379.html

Kerry Sprinkles Jobs Message With Attacks on Iraq Policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A195-2004Apr9?...

AP Wire | 12/02/2002 | Kerry Steps Up Attacks on Bush Policies
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/4644529.htm

Kerry report attacks Bush for the loss of U.S. jobs
http://www.newsisfree.com/click/i%2C41285835%2C3952%2Cr...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:16 PM
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12. more
At UI, Kerry slams Bushonomics
http://www.dailyiowan.com/main.cfm/include/detail/story...

ScrappleFace: Kerry Slams Bush Failure to Find New Threats
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001785.html

Salon.com | John Kerry slams Bush's "raw deal" for America
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/12/08/kerry_s...

Worldandnation: Kerry slams Bush on environment record
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/21/Worldandnation/Kerry_...

Kerry slams job loss under Bush at Detroit event
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155575/posts

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams Bush for encouraging terrorism
http://article.wn.com/link/WNAT185BE9B267D1BAA6C007ABC2...

USATODAY.com - Kerry slams response to Iraq prison abuse
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Kerry Slams 'Saudi-George Bush' Gas Tax (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05252004-3063...

Multichannel News - Kerry Slams Networks, Notes Cable DNC Coverage
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA442669?display=Br...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on terrorism - Feb. 27, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/elec04.prez.m...

CNN.com - Kerry slams Bush on Iraq, military - Mar 19, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/kerry

FOXNews.com - You Decide 2004 - Kerry Slams Bush in NAACP Speech
http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/url_redirect.asp?Articl...

The Seattle Times: Nation & World: Kerry slams Bush over gas prices
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20019...

Yahoo! News - Kerry seeks minority support; slams Bush on poverty
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=...

Kerry Slams Bush Over Iraq WMDs Joke
http://feeds.newzealandnews.net/?rid=c86e3126894b2ce6

Kerry finds gold, slams Bush in Bay Area visit / Exasperated senator calls GOP 'so petty'
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?id...

Scotsman.com News - International - Kerry slams 'crooked' rivals
http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=28215...

The Australian: Kerry slams Bush foreign policy
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/...

Kerry bashes Bush on health care costs
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/8630863.htm...

Kerry Bashes Bush on Health Care Costs (phillyBurbs.com)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/32-05102004-2973...

Hispanic Business - Massachusetts Sen. Kerry Bashes Bush's Hispanic Agenda
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=76...

United Press International: Analysis: Kerry attack machine bashes Bush
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040217-061854-235...

Kerry bashes Bush tax cut proposal - iBerkshires.com - Business
http://housatonic.iberkshires.com/business/story9307.ht...

Sen. Kerry Chides GOP (Self Proclaimed Patriots) on War Comments, Bashes Bush >> Hypocrites.com
http://www.hypocrites.com/article3738.html

Kerry courts rural voters on 3-day Midwest swing / He bashes president on weak economy, health insurance gap
http://article.wn.com/link/WNATFFEAC14FF83761822378754A...

Star - Kerry steals rival's tune and bashes Bush over job losses
http://www.star.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticle...

Boston.com / News / Nation / Kerry questions Bush's wartime leadership
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/k...

Kerry Questions Bush Iraq Policy
http://www.evote.com/News/EV09062002C.html

Kerry Questions Bush Attendance in Guard in 70's
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/hea...

USATODAY.com - Kerry questions Bush on Iraq deadline
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...

Indepements for Kerry : Questions for Bush on Iraq
http://www.independentsforkerry.com/info/index.php?cate...

USATODAY.com - Sen. John Kerry questions Bush's credibility
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedett...

Kerry Questions Bush Handling of Enron Investigation
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C125190%2C00.htm...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:24 PM
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14. Think about it though....Here's REPUBLICANS Scarborough and Frum...
and instead of passing along more "traitor and coward" gibberish this afternoon, they're trying to fuss about Kerry's RESPONSE to the charges....

That says ONLY ONE thing to me....Zell and Dick's Klan meeting last night blew up like the Hindenberg on arrival with voters around the country.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:21 PM
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13. Man, the convention must be a COLLOSSAL stinkbomb!!
You've got two right wingers discussing the Republican convention....and THEY'RE talking about why Kerry isn't responding to it?

Let me say that again....they had their keynote speaker AND the vice president attack Kerry all night...and now just a few hours later, instead of these two Republican numbnutz picking up on the attack and amplifying it, they're fussing about what Kerry's going to do in response?

They are in BIG trouble...no matter how often they announce how confident they are, or what Frank Luntz' puppet show tried to say.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. This is desperation in action
Shooting their guns early. Their charges are a blur of noise.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. The only reason they want Kerry to answer any charges
is because they know most voters have written off the whole pack of them as lies...and they need Kerry to validate them somehow.

The internal polling from the convention must be brutal....
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
19. When Joe intoduced the PNACer, he didn't mention that Frum was fired for
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 03:33 PM by oasis
writing the "Axis of Evil" speech.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. Was HE the guy?
Wow......
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Yes. He went on to co- write a book with his PNAC pal Richard Perle.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. That would be Richard Kleptocracy Perle...
"In a 513-page report shot through with sarcasm and disgust, a special committee of publishing company Hollinger International Inc. concluded that former officials Conrad Black and F. David Radler ran a "corporate kleptocracy," diverting to themselves virtually all the company's $400 million in earnings over seven years.
The report, which was filed as part of a Hollinger lawsuit seeking to recover $1.25 billion from Black and others, also criticized certain directors for being "ineffective and careless" in stopping the "systematic looting" of the company. And it reserves some of its harshest criticism for Richard Perle, calling on the former Reagan administration official and current board member to return $5.4 million in pay he received after "putting his own interests above those of Hollinger's shareholders."
"Behind a constant stream of bombast regarding their accomplishments as self-described 'proprietors,' Black and Radler made it their business to line their pockets at the expense of Hollinger almost every day, in almost every way they could devise," said the report, prepared by the committee and its adviser, Richard Breeden, a former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/188760_hollinger01.html


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