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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:11 PM
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BUSH SPEECH THREAD #2
Continue discussion here.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:12 PM
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1. Fuggaboutit
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ezekiel333 Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:12 PM
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3. Kick
Shouted for AL!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:12 PM
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2. Breaking news: The Reichstag is on fire.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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4. Nothing will hold us back
Except for the November loss.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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Blah
This speech blows.

Liberating millions, making Normandy vets proud.





BULLSHIT

I was talking to one yesterday, he said he'd vote for Mickey Mouse over DUBYA.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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5. Please explain the
He knew part
thanks
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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36. HE KNEW >
he knew, ie had advance warning of 9/11 ! Even Murdoch's rag had GIANT HEADLINES saying

BUSH KNEW !
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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6. Jobs report tomorrow should be fun
Rising economy my hairy ass.
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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7. They have to turn down the lights
and shine the spotlights so the crowd knows when to clap.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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8. Strike up the Darth Vader theme for Cheney
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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20. Bum bum bum...bum ba bum...bum ba bum....
:hi:
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AngryLizard Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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34. What the hell is he talking about?
Mountains and climbing and peaks and valleys, and Laura Bush should never wear that color, beause it makes her look like a tomato.

Four years and he still looks like he can't f'in believe he's up there.

Neither can we, George. Neither can we.

Oops, he's resurrecting the spirit of Reagan. Who didn't really like his father, if I recall.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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I Love Dick,
MKJ
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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9. Same Old Shit So Far
9/11 - fear, resolve, America - terra
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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10. Praising Dick Cheney, then Laura Bush... guess she knows her place.
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billkurtmeyer Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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11. I wonder if * wrote any of this crap himself, no wait, he couldn't have
too many complete sentences.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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Miss Karen Hughes - makes silk purses out of sows ears n/t
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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12. I was watching "Eraser"
starring Arnold.

I keep going back to it even though I've seen it 55 times...

My kid thinks I'm nuts - my wife thinks I'm insane.

it's like when you wake up in the middle of the night and are nauseated and know if you start vomiting, it will define the onset of your illness
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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13. How much does Bush look like one of the animatronic presidents at
DisneyWorld? I kid you not...he's even swaying. ;)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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H e i s r e a d i n g e x t r a c a r e f u l l y ....
Afraid he'll trip up, I guess.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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48. Yep.
Much slower tonight. "Ed-u-ca-shon."
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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....and no big words.
:hi:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:13 PM
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14. He Can't Seem To speak more than 7-8 syllables without stopping
truncated, choppy speech.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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15. Mountian stronghold? You mean Tora Bora????
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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Tora Bora is over the three syllable mark....
:)
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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16. Talk Stop Applause Talk Stop Applause...Repeat
same old same old
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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his he taking
the drugs Zell forgot to take last night?
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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17. She looks like a bottle of Pepto.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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18. is he experiencing stigmata yet?
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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24. Man, but that shouting felt good! (n/t)
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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LOL!
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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84. bingo! my god is that FUNNY!
thanks, sniffa!
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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19. Do they have "Applaud Now" signs, or what?
nt
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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remember, he's reading to Nazis
oh... speaking. SOrry.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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21. "Bless with Sprited and Intelligent young women" (daughters)
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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22. ROTF
spirited, INTELLIGENT, lovely young women.


HA!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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i have had enough
will read you all, off with the tv
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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59. Not watching either, just reading
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM by Catt03
and eating Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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23. I commend the brave souls watching the speech
I'm eating dinner, listening to music and following on DU.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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25. Yikes!
"Make the men of Normandy proud"???? Way to hijack the Greatest Generation, you draft-dodging, deserting, chickenshit, hiding-behind surrogates, failing-in-everything-you-ever-did-but-being-bailed-out-by-Daddy's-rich-friends, drunk, drug-using PUTZ!!!!

(I know, I know. You wish I'd quit beating around the bush and just come out and say what I really think about this turd.)
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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26. I have family members...I should be president..
MKJ
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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27. Neil Bush alert!!
Got Asian hookers?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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28. I M U S T E N U N C I A T E M O R E C L E A R L Y nt
.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:14 PM
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29. REAGAN Exploitation time!!!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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43. The reanimated corpse of Reagan appears on stage ONE MORE TIME nt
.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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30. It sounds like a revival meeting so far
But I can't listen any more. :(
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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31. He's really pausing a lot
Audience seems to be confused as to when to applause. Being very deliberate in his speech.
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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38. Hell, I am confused too
don't know what the hell he is talking about.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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32. Ronald Reagan! "His spirit is in this hall"
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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41. Did he even mention his father was pres or did he go straight to Reagan
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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53. Satan gives visitor pass to Reagan?
:)
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AngryLizard Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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56. "Look busy!"
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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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33. Maybe I'm a little too old for this
but I think every time * says "9/11',I'm going to take a shot!:beer:
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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45. I knew I was missing something. TIme to get the scotch...
eom
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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35. Maybe if he speaks slowly
1. Tweety will say that Kerry rushed for no reason, but W is professorial and presidentail, and...such a MAN!

2. It'll take him past when Kerry starts at midnight - he'll still be going.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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37. and he drags out Gipper...took long enough!
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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39. his eyes are red and glassy
and he looks like he's got a stick up his ass

Cheney closeup right now, he looks like he's stuffed with Russet potatoes

What was with the glowing flag panels swooshing back and forth when he walked in? I thought I was watching a drag show from a gay bar.

Wide shot of the audience looks like the Price is Right

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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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63. I swear
he's fucking baked
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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73. LOL
Good one you made me laugh and I am about to cry.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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77. WHY IS HE BLINKING SO MUCH?????????? n/t
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:15 PM
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40. Reagan and 9/11
that's all they got.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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He's gonna tell us where he'll lead the country?
Last time he did that, he went backwards in jobs, backwards with the surplus, backwards with national security...

And they're running on "he means what he says?"
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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42. You guys! Turn on Air America and listen there...it's better!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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71. But then you miss his vile expressions
and his lizard tongue darting out to lick his lips
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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44. Reagan's goodwill and decency in that hall and in their hearts?
I don't think so. I've never seen such a hatefest. There's is no goodwill, or decency, in that room. I don't care who's name he tries to invoke.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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46. i wanted to see the smoke rise from the floor, the stage rise
dramatically, the trumpets blaring. i was so disappointed
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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66. I think all the smoke
came out of ol Zell last night.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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91. bah ha ha ha
funny
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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47. Now hes pushing No Child Left Behind.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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Yes, where our children's names and addresses are given to bloodthirsty
military recruiters. It's a grand plan! :hi:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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49. Four more years and Bush will lead America down the drain
Can we get a courtesy flush, George?

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sugarman Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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50. the crowd's dead...
...
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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51. "and where I will lead this country in the next 4 years"
Straight to hell and then some?
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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52. nothing will hold back education except for funding!!!!
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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54. Listening with AAR only way to go!!
I like hearing them debunk at same time!!
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:16 PM
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55. Lie #1 Education!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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57. Nothing will hold us back - are we detecting a theme here? mt
.
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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58. 4 more years of your leadership?
To where? Hell?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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90. "...creating jobs and nothing will hold us back..."
there's the extent of this simpleton's domestic policy proposals.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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He's talking about his ed-ye-cay-shunal
reforms now -- now about prescription drug coverage. Blech!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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60. Thank you DU!
I cannot bear to watch. But you are making the ultimate sacrifice. The speech confirms our worst suspicions it seems... keep it up.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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61. HOLY SHIT.......tell me the flags in the background don't look like rows
of crucifixes!!!!!!
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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62. Lie # 2 Healthcare
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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64. LIE #2, Help Seniors
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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65. Here is America's version of Osama Bin Laden. I kid you not. a christian f
fundemntalist wack.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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67. medicare scandal, check
tax break scam, check
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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68. How the hell did Bush strengthen Medicare?
They want to destroy it and put seniors at the mercy of private insurance accounts.

These people are such LIIIIIIIIIIIIARS!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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69. Unleash workers?
Or their jobs, overseas, W?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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86. I think he misspoke...it was to be "on leash" workers.
Which is what they want for us.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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70. nothing will hold back seniors medicine needs except if
they cost more than $600
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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72. Why do they always complain that Democrats are "stiff" in speaking?
Does this guy seem relaxed, at ease, natural or passionate or exciting?
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:17 PM
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74. Lie # 3 the Economy!
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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75. OMG again Bush says "And nothing will hold us back"... Look out for stolen
election.

3 times he has said that now .. sick fuck
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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76. 'Cathouse 2" is on HBO2, a lot more entertaining, thanks HBO
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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78. Tax cuts! War! Yay! Tax cuts! War! Woo!! USA USA USA!!
Those tax cuts are great!
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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79. FEAR!!!
be afraid!! very afraid!!!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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80. Go ahead, w, attack Kerry yourself, you coward
what a fucking wimp
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onefreespiritedchick Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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81. Our economy is growing again?
Sure, George
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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82. If it's your "solemn" duty why do you keep taking
advantage of 9/11 for political reasons? And why did you completely ignore terrorism before that day? And why don't we have Bin Laden?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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"This will not happen on my watch" (tragedy)
Helloooo... it DID happen on your watch!!!!!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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83. FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!!!!!!!
"This will not happen on my watch."

But 9/11 DID happen on your watch, moran.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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85. Lie #4 Security!
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Adams Wulff Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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87. "Nothing will hold us back"
Not even those damned voters"
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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I won't let it happen on my watch
He already did!!!!
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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88. "I believe" "I believe" ad mauseum
He really does think he is the country's religious leader
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:18 PM
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89. He says..(regarding terra attacks)"This will not happen on
my watch". Record and keep for the future. MKJ
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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92. Somebody needs to tell him that he already led the world to tragedy
"Tragedy" is a recurring theme here
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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93. Oh holy fuck now I've heard it all
steady consistent lies
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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94. steady consistent principled leadership
That's why Kerry is going to crush you.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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95. THREAD 3 IS OPEN
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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96. Yeek!
Now he says he's a compassionate conservative! :grr:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:19 PM
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97. "With your help we will win this election"
Well that'd be new and different.
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