Another disappointing, rambling Kerry speech

[dolstein]

While it's good that the incumbent failed to set the bar particularly high tonight, I find it mind boggling that there is NOBODY on Kerry's staff who is capable of writing a decent speech.

[mbali]

1. Whatever

[Jim Sagle]

2. Chickenshit bullshit.

[greenbriar]

3. the beauty of this was that it WAS NO SPEECH>>>IT was pure

Kerry From the heart

[redstateblues]

29. Exactly- Hell with the tightly scripted Bush crapola

[billkurtmeyer]

60. amen . . . * coudn't have pulled it off - passion!

[DaveinMD]

4. bullshit

that was a great hard hitting speech.

[Fleshdancer]

5. I loved it

CNN eventually broke away from it, but from what I heard, it was great.

[dennis4868]

23. IF CNN BROKE AWAY....

IT MUST HAVE BEEN A GOOD SPEECH....

[Fleshdancer]

58. lol good point! n/t

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. WTF?

Did we watch the same speech?

[tomfodw]

7. Not sure which Kerry speech you were listening to

But it was not the one I was listening to. I thought he was very good. He certainly seemed confident and relaxed.

[mellowinman]

8. Man, I want whatever you've been smoking

Nah, just kidding. Its obviously bunko weed.

[frank frankly]

9. pffffffffffffffft

pfft!

[soothsayer]

10. what would you have preferred? just curious as to what works for you

[eleny]

11. Welcome to my Ignore List

Buh-Bye

[NYC Liberal]

12. Bullshit.

You must not have been watching the same speech.

[kimchi]

13. Give Kerry a break.

He spoke extemporaneously with a few notes. He told the truth about the Bush cabal--in plain terms. He didn't beat around the bush.(haha) If he stood there and read his speech everyone would say he's "stiff".

Give Kerry a break--he is trying to be down home and "likeable". I mean it worked for the pResident idiot.

[Walt Starr]

14. Another typical dolstein post

:eyes:

[Catch22Dem]

34. If this is typical

Perhaps I'll just "ignore" the rest of them.

[liveoaktx]

15. You must be confusing Bush's speech with Kerry's...

Bush always rambles and is disappointing. Kerry's on the other hand, was fantastic!

[seabeyond]

16. hey they just put this together today

adn i thought he was just fine. disjointed, but then, it was put together today

[kerryin2004]

97. they're professional writers

and most of it was campaign speech regurgitation..They can do better..

[Jesus H. Christ]

17. Yeah, to bad Lieberman didn't get nominated.

He's a real liberal firebrand.

[w13rd0]

41. <snicker>

Hey now, it's just mad that Kerry said Bush misled us into war, because some former candidates were all for the war, and even participated in organizations with members of PNAC seeking the same goals (CLI). BTW, where the hell has Lieberman been hiding lately?

[Jesus H. Christ]

50. Where's Lieberman?

I don't know. Ask Zell Miller.

[goclark]

103. He is stuck to the Chimps butt

The more I think about it I believe that he was planted in the Gore campaign. I bet he was telling them our secrets left and right.

He is sooo much of a kisser upper to the Rethug agenda.

The more I see of him the less I trust him.

[LiberalFighter]

123. NOT

[cheshire]

18. You must be a Pub as in hair.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. I disagree. He made some great points.

It was more impromptu than Bush's edited 30 times over lie. Kerry CLEARLY was not comfortable going on the attack as he IS a statesman. He is NOT one to personally attack individuals and was basically forced to so he had to make himself do it. This was not an acceptance speech, this was a response from the heart to all the turds the Repubs threw into the punch bowl.

[bushwakker]

20. clueless

that was passion from the stump.

[DemNoir]

21. Thank you

Nothing like addng to your ignore list just before bedtime...

[A_Possum]

22. let this thread sink, it's some kind of sour grapes

I'm sorry I replied to it. Kerry gave an excellent speech, and there are some who just won't be pleased for nothin', nohow.

[democratreformed]

24. Yeah, I'm calling BULLSHIT too.

That speech kicked major ass. It is the first time I have heard him say so many things that desperately needed to be said. Damn! It was SOOOOO good that I am, right now, just as excited about John Kerry AND John Edwards as I EVER was about WES CLARK - AND I LOVE WES CLARK!

[KingofRock]

49. Agreed!!!

This is a day for democrats to rise up!!!

[democratreformed]

59. Hell yeah!

I AM READY!

[AuntPatsy]

25. Your welcome to your conclusions but I have to respectfully

disagree, they were both right on target and said all the right things to counter attack tonights speech from the RNC....

[SW FL Dem]

26. What speech did you watch?

I loved the speech I saw from Springfield.

[gardenista]

27. Aww, dolstein forgot the :sarcasm: tag.

Or maybe not. In any case, you can knock this outlyer right off your radar.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Hard to believe, but

neither Kerry nor Edwards read from prepared text. You ought to know the difference.

[Dookus]

30. been chewin' on the jimson weed again?

[Nite Owl]

31. I thouhgt he was great.

He hit all the right points. Right on target. Just wish everyone carried this but it was in Ohio and will get local coverage.

[emulatorloo]

32. Are you kidding me? He was on, it was from the heart, you are nuts!!!! EOM

[TheDonkey]

33. oh, LOL I thought this post was for real, then I saw Dolstein

it makes sense now.

[WI_DEM]

35. It was a rally speech

Which had some memorable sound bites which will be played extensively tomorrow--especially about the GOP attacking his fitness to be president when some (Cheney, for instance) didn't serve in the military. It wasn't supposed to be a polished policy speech but a red meat rally to the faithful and I think he succeeded.

[WilliamPitt]

36. Another disappointing, rambling defeatist post

[blondeatlast]

85. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is what's called for...

After such a long time here, he should know that by now.

[iwantmycountryback]

37. Stop hallucinating

That was a real speech, very good. Why do people INSIST on being doom and gloomers? Is there some way to stop this shit?

[jpgray]

38. What were you watching? (nt)

[belle]

Is there some particular reason you're on this board?

Seriously, I've never seen a single post by you that would indicate you have any actual interest in seeing a Democrat win. unless you think constant wet-blanketing is somehow inspiring.

[Southsideirish]

39. Kerry people - pay attention to the critics - you can learn from

them. The person who has the courage to tell the emperor he has no clothes is very valuable, indeed. The speech was better than most of his but he needs to tighten it up and deliver it with more passion. Take a lesson from Howard Dean.

[belle]

45. Are you talking to us? Because as far as I know, no one here

has a direct line to Kerry's PR people.

[Southsideirish]

64. How do you know who is reading this forum?

You might be surprised.

[gardenista]

46. Oh please. This is not a criticism, it's utter BS.

I see no reasoned discussion by the original poster, just a negative hit-and-run.

[WilliamPitt]

54. "Take a lesson from Howard Dean"

And lose, repeatedly?

Nah.

[Southsideirish]

70. Howard turned the Democratic Party upside down and inside out.

They were terrified to criticize Bush until he made it "safe" to do so.

[WilliamPitt]

74. ...and lost

[Southsideirish]

86. Oh please - the party cut the legs out from under him.

They were "asceerd" of all the changes he would bring.

[Dookus]

92. what changes?

he's a moderate, DLC democrat. Not that there's anything wrong with that... but he wasn't about to upset the apple cart. He was sorta-kinda against the war. That's his claim to fame.

[YankeeFan]

128. RE: "Oh please - the party cut the legs out from under him."

And I have the guts here to say that he's right.

I voted for Dean in the Primary. Kerry puts me to sleep.

Bush wakes me up. I might wake up in a cold sweat from being scared half to death, but Kerry is better than any non-prescription pill I can find in the Drug Store.

As Kerry is Our Choice, I will vote for him on November 2. But it is going to be so close! I hereby predict there will be more than one "Florida 2000" kind of State.

[Dookus]

75. no

he turned a small minority of democrats upside down and inside out.

He lost, and he lost spectacularly. Imitating him would be disastrous.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

73. I was thinking- "what? and watch someone else from home?" nt

[WI_DEM]

82. Low Blow

And remember the originator of this thread wasn't for Dean either. Who is working his heart out for Kerry and electing dems to office.

[WilliamPitt]

99. You're right. I apologize. I'm exhausted.

But the small minority who think that if Dean were the nominee, the media would be less whorish, make my hair turn gray.

[democratreformed]

67. Passion? Oh, come on. Did you not feel the passion? I sure did.

Especially after watching the one with the dead face talk just before it.

[A_Possum]

93. well, if you like to pay attention to critiques

allow me to say that I have always found Dean's delivery to be rather red-faced and off-putting. So it's a matter of taste, perhaps, not emperors and clothes.

Kerry was spot-on, relaxed and hard-hitting.

[blitzen]

40. RIDICULOUS....Kerry's speech brought joy-tears to my eyes...

as I said on the official Kerry-Edwards rally thread. Go read that thread if you want to see what the vast majority of us (everyone except dolstein) thought of it.

[hansolsen]

112. I agree 100% kick

[blueblitzkrieg]

42. I loved the speech. n/t

[BurtWorm]

43. Maybe you didn't notice this: it wasn't written.

It was extemporare. People don't write extemporaneous remarks.

[spanone]

44. Then vote for his opponent. That is OUR candidate.

[2Design]

47. 'shove it' as teresa would say......

[moondust]

48. What's in YOUR speech?

Write it, post it. We'll judge whether YOU are fit to condemn ALL of Kerry's speech writers.

[PartyPooper]

51. Should this thread be nominated for the homepage?

I don't think so.

:dunce:

[Awsi Dooger]

52. He never leaves a lasting impression of one or two highlight themes

Tonight he was looking at index cards, or similar reference point, and some of the issues agonizingly seemed to be pulled at random order from them. You wonder if a swing voter will remember anything 10 minutes later.

We're going to have to win this in the debates, Kerry TV commercials, Bush incompetence and GOTV. Likability and prepared speeches tilt somewhat the other way, always an uphill chore.

[kerryin2004]

53. I got to agree and here is why..

Everything after he removed the mic he has said many times before and this is what I would like him to address

He needs to refer to what he said when he gave BUsh the authority and he needs to tell the people that the 87 billion was a giveaway to Halliburton..He also could ask why Bush would allow our soldiers go to war without armor in the first place??


Here's what Kerry said at the time he voted to give Bush the authority to
use force as an OPTIONAL , IF NECESSARY, with UN Security Council approval,
only if an IMMINENT threat is real and as a LAST RESORT:

"Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason
and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we
cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in
joint concert with our allies. "

"In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the
commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work with
the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out
tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at
our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so,
I will be among the first to speak out. "

"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so
with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a
grave, imminent - and I emphasize "imminent" - threat to this country which
requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate
national security needs. "

"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will
support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust
those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a
unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the
multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances. "

"In voting to grant the President the authority, I am not giving him carte
blanche to run roughshod over every country that poses or may pose some kind
of potential threat to the United States. Every nation has the right to act
preemptively, if it faces an imminent and grave threat, for its self-defense
under the standards of law. The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet
that test yet. I emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness
of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use
these weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in
the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent. None
of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an attack. "

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp




I would have also liked to hear him talk about how Cheney voted against more weapons systems then him as sec'y of def..Go directly after the record of Cheney.. Also that Porter Goss voted to completely eliminate human intelligence. Everyone Bush appoints has either failed in their positions or are failures. Until he addresses these and bites back woith these they will continue to come after him.. I guarantee you, give me two days and I will write a better speech then the one given this evening..

[saccheradi]

100. This is EXACTLY what the NATION needs to hear now.

I agree completely (aside from the written speech part because it was OBVIOUS Kerry was shooting from the hip, even if it was the same hip he's been shooting from since the DNC)... It is time to vacate the blue collar popularist BS and move on to ATTACKING on the Repuke's territory.

What the hell is the Kerry Campaign afraid of???

Kerry needs to fight those issues where the Repukes have been attacking him, not dismiss it as hot air and divert to Healthcare and Jobs... I want him to address the BS and spit it back in their faces.

[kerryin2004]

121. It is not even an attack

Just say here are the people in the Bush admin history voting record, and here is mine.Cheney as Secy of def voted to close alought more weapons systems and bases then Kerry ever did. Peter Goss wanted to get rid of all the human intelligence, and now Bush wants him as the cIA director??Calarify on Iraq.. Here is what I said about Iraq, and here is why I couldn't vote the 87billion.. It was a blank check for Halliburton.. Hell, turn this around on Bush and ask First of all why would he send the soldiers to war without being equipped properly and then why would he ask for more money even after he said it wouldn't be needed?? He cheneyed congress into this 87 billion with his "vote against it you're against the troops routine", which was a blank check for the pentagon with no discretionary oversight, and he wouldn't budge on the tax cuts, and the fact is he cheneyed the troops by sending them there not properly equipped..

[billkurtmeyer]

55. Give me a break - he was on fire? What speech were you listening

to? He spoke factually - something that the Bushies don't do - was that what you were looking for - it had several great lines "All hat - no cattle" was a classic!

[last_texas_dem]

56. I disagree

As someone who hasn't been particularly big on Kerry's speaking style in the past I thought this one was awesome. I found it to be truly moving, and political speeches very rarely have that effect on me since I know how scripted, planned they are. It's only a shame so few Americans will see this one after seeing Shrub's empty chest-thumping garbage... I felt like Kerry destroyed the Shrub.

Kerry as a speaker seems to get better and better. I felt like his speech at the DNC was his best ever, even though I thought he spoke about his Vietnam service a bit more than necessary (however, I think that only helped him... at least until the Sleaze Boat Liars started their bullshit.) In terms of how he presented it, I liked the speech he gave in OH tonight even more than that one.

[MontecitoDem]

57. Guess I'm the only one here that agrees with you

He had some GREAT moments - hitting back on Iraq War and Cheney especially.

But he has this annoying habit of leading to something that you expect to be snappy, and then leaving you hanging. Here, I'm talking about when he said something like "this is the most important election of our lives and here's why..."

And then rambled on about some kid selling bracelets, a guy standing by the train tracks, people standing out at rallies at 12:30 am, etc. etc. etc.

OK...We're ready, tell us why this election is the most important of our lives! Because this president is destroying the very fabric of what makes America great - our constitution, our representative democracy, our land! Hello! He eventually gets there after you forget where you came from.

I know I'm not supposed to be doing this, bad-mouthing my man for President so three caveats.
1. I am currently working (unpaid) about 30 hours a week for the Kerry/Edwards and other Dems ticket.
2. I watched the whole speech on CSPAN - so don't tell me i missed it.
3. Bush's speech made me absolutely sick - it was craven, full of lies and contradictions, lacking in morality and just disgusting. Kerry's was WAY better as far as substance.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

68. Email this to the Kerry campaign

Since you already are working, you know where to get it. It was constructive unlike the OP.

[MontecitoDem]

Thanks for not flaming me

I type criticism here with great trepidation, but occasionally my need for honesty wins out over my fear of flame wars.

I wouldn't email it to the Kerry folks because (1) they are working their hearts out and don't need to hear from someone with little campaign experience and no experience as a candidate and (2) I would guess some working with Kerry feel the same way but there isn't a lot you can do to change someone's natural style, expecially in an impromptu-type thing as I gather this was.

I seriously just want the gloves-off, full-on fight with the Bush/Cheney machine and I was hoping he'd be even tougher, more direct, than he was. I want us to fight with every breath we've got - attack attack
I think the time is now!

[redstateblues]

76. Yeah- Martin Sheen Could Memorize a Lot Better Speech

But Kerry's real- from the heart- pick pick pick- Kerry is a light years better speaker than Bush ever thought about being. Kerry is who we've got - he's our guy- he is not going to change his style- get over it- No earth tones please

[Southsideirish]

83. He's GOT to improve his delivery - no two ways about it.

I want this guy to win but he's got to help!

[saccheradi]

106. RIGHT ON!!!

[mzmolly]

61. He gave a great speech.

Dennis K was their, wish they'd have highlited him tonight.

[sub.theory]

62. Oh, Please....

Take two Valium and call us in the morning. Senator Kerry gave a great speech. It was all the things Shrub's wasn't. It was upbeat, it was positive, it was hopeful, and it said what John Kerry was going to do to fix America.

[zulchzulu]

63. Bullocks, MaGee!

It was great! It's also one of about 7000 he is going to do in the next 60 days.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

65. Pfffft.

[Liberal Veteran]

66. Would you care for cheese to go with your whine, sir?

Or shall I get you a bib and a fresh bottle of formula?

[Joe Turner]

69. Not sure what you are looking for

Do you want Kerry to spas out like Howard Dean? I saw Kerry's speech and thought it was a well modulated, tough and to the point rebuttal to the Cowards that talk big about wars but when their time came for service did everything they could to avoid combat. And Kerry talked about all the issues that SmirkCo are scared to talk about.

[kerryin2004]

96. How about defend his record..

The only thing they have to attack is his record and there really isn't anything to attack but they will continue to lie about it.. I am sick of their lies about his record and I would like him to say, Cheney you, this is why I voted for this and that, now tell me why Bush's policies have failed the last year.. I did like the If you are better off, that was great, and the 5 deferments was cool too.

[hatrack]

71. Well, I don't know, I was just Wha What the hell HELPHELPHELP

OH, shit, sorry about that, I was momentarily swept away by a monstrous wave of JOEMENTUM.

[vetwife]

84. Kerry was the real thing....What do you want ! Gimme me a break !

THIS IS OUR CANDIDATE...THIS IS WHY WE AREN'T LANDSLIDING. PEOPLE NITPICKING AND BACKBITING....THOSE DUMMIES CAN STAND BY THEIR MAN WHILE HE'S KILLING THEIR KIDS. KNOCK IT OFF ! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK AND I SAY TO ALL...LEAD FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY !

[hatrack]

94. Sorry about that, Vetwife! When Joementum strikes, you can't hide!!!!

Ain't no hiding place! Phew! Glad I escaped unscathed!

Oh, by the way, did I mention that you ROCK, Vetwife? For all the thankless and difficult and draining bullshit that you put up with, you absolutely ROCK! :loveya:

[vetwife]

110. Thanks Hatrack. Lets stand behind our man and send this creep

to Mars..He has messed with Texas too long !

[Big Blue Marble]

72. It was a remarkable speech!

Very energizing. Spoke from the heart to the heart. And really
freshened that stale air that has been lurking around this country for
the last four days.

[AVID]

77. I thought I had you on ignore last month !!!!!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

78. You're on crack. He just tore Bush several new orafii.

Disappointing and Rambling my ass. This is what we need. Fighting spirit.

[Awsi Dooger]

79. Kerry was much better at not stepping on his applause lines

I have criticized him for that in the past, including before tonight's speech. It was so dramatically different tonight, I'm wondering if he didn't work on that post-convention.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

108. Kerry intentionally did that at DNC because he was in a hurry

He didn't want to go past 11:00 and felt he needed to deliver within a certain time frame. I read this somewhere.
On the plus side it shows how he can be "all business".
He's a serious man.

[Awsi Dooger]

113. I know, but he did it throughout the primary season also

I was in speech-listening agony, because he was our certain nominee and I envisioned all the step-ons during the fall. I hope tonight was an indication he left that minor flaw behind.

[blondeatlast]

80. So specifically, what could he have done better?

You know us better than that by now--we want constructive with our criticism.

[vetwife]

90. All Hat no Cattle is a website too (liberal)

[blondeatlast]

101. Excuse me, but

:wtf:

It's an old Texas saying too--it means he ain't no real Texan.

Unless Kennebunkport is west of Crawford.

Edit: spelling and well, LIBERAL? Don't hear that used too often.

But I am, and damn proud of it, too.

[vetwife]

109. Well, maybe, but its still a website...my guess all liberal sites

are getting some watching to see how the base is doing. God...Look at post above about if some people are watching this site from Kerry campaign and I can definately say YES ! and thats all I'll say !

[sampsonblk]

81. The soundbites will be fine - even in print

I suspect not many people were up late watching Kerry's speech anyway. Hell, if everyone critiqued Bush's bad speeches, he would have been impeached long ago.

But the soundbites will be in the news all day tomorrow.

[Zen Democrat]

87. Kerry didn't read a canned speech. He spoke from the heart.

I thought it was incredibly effective.

And John Edwards is a rock star. Can't wait for him to debate "Load in his pants."

[Spiffarino]

88. Thanks, dolstein!

Now we really know how everybody felt about Kerry's speech.

You fired up the crowd...just like the Zellout!

[Gregorian]

89. He just started.

He's got a new lead pipe to swing. And he's feeling it out. Give him a little practice. Can't bash a man who's still out of breath. I mean, one hour after his acceptance speech.
Sit back. This promises to be a hell of a ride.

[kerryin2004]

105. I have faith Kerry will win..

But I wish his speech this evening had clarifications so that he can no longer be attacked on some votes..

[GingerSnaps]

91. Why do people blame the new people with low post counts

Oh never mind I'm not new and I'm not one either!

Kerry was perfect tonight!

[Renew Deal]

98. You are still in the 700 club.

You better start praying. Word is the rapture is coming. O8)

[GingerSnaps]

111. The Rapture?

I think that I hear Gabrielle blowing his horn right out by my window.

(What's that Gab...your coming back for me when Bush blows the world up? OK fine!)

If Bush steals the election I think that he just might bring the rapture on ahead of time. :nuke: :scared: O8)

[barb162]

95. I thought Kerry and Edwards were terrific

and when Kerry talked about people with 5 deferments criticizing those with 2 tours of duty, that did it for me. (Now if he would have said draft-dodgers with 5 deferments, that would have made me happier, but he was fired up way more than normal and that's important. He does much better when he isn't studied.) Kerry for Prez!

[stldemocrat]

I liked it.

At least he wasn't blather on about Vietnam...

[Skip Intro]

102. He's never gonna be Suzanne Sommers selling you a thigh-master

But it was a powerful speech, imho.

Tonight was the first real shot back, and despite what people who saw Kerry speak took away, I'll bet they all said to themselves at one point, "Damn, this guy is a fighter."

I did.

[Bread and Circus]

104. Thank God! I was waiting for someone to say the obvious....

I was going to make a thread but I didn't want to be a downer.

Frankly, I agree with the original poster. This "gloves are coming off" speech sucked.

It sucked. Period.

There was one good point in it. One. That's it. And that's when he pointed out Chickenhawk Cheney's 5 deferments.

The rest of it was rambling, meandering, stumped-out clap trap. My wife couldn't bear to watch it and she is the biggest Demophile I know. She literally cried when Gore got the election stolen from him.

Kerry, needs to get it together and forget all this nuanced policy stuff.

Frankly, Bush is a dumbass rightwing freak idiot nutjob who couldn't hold a job down until he got into Politics (tells you a lot about Politicians, doesn't it). He's a liar, a thief, a crook, and a chicken willing to send other people to die for a pet project. Cheney is worse in that he doesn't have any redeeming qualities. At least Bush is cute like a chimp. More than that, the whole RNC/GOP is a big evil machine that has taken dishonest electioneering to a new and dangerous level while subjigating the corporate media to its will.

The Daily Show is taking on the foes of reason more effectively than the Kerry team.

Don't get me wrong. I like Kerry. He has a good heart and a good soul. I've never shook his hand but I've seen him in person. He is "the real deal" and I think he's got the brains to really put us back on track.

Nonetheless, his team is anemic right now, running on corn mash instead of high octane fuel.

He needs to get lean, mean, and really tell it like it is. He is being dishonest by being anything but ruthless and downright angry. Being "nice" and "positive" is disingenuous because Bush and Company are pretty damn close to evil as we have gotten in this country for a long time.

Kerry needs to tighten it up, pare down the "information" he gives, and sock it to the fuckers that serve at the pleasure of the Idiot POTUS.

I'm tired us getting our asses kicked by the thieves and liars on the right.

They own it all, the White House, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court.

And don't tell me "get to work then". I've been at work for the Democratic Party since June of 2003. I've given over $3,000 to Democratic causes and started a website for Democrats in a major state. I've been out in the streets shouting down Bushies at major debates and have had my signs confiscated by Police because I wasn't in a "Free Speech Zone". Damned if they weren't then placed in the Restaurant that Kerry later had an after-debate party in. I had to go in there to re-confiscate them just to get my stuff back. I've been active in my local County wide Democrats group. I've done enough. It's time for our leaders, not just Kerry and Edwards, to do their part.

They are too damn busy playing CMA to call out Cheney as the piece of human shit that he is and call out Bush as the pile of idiocy that he is. I'm sick of it. They better be hitting every talk show and media outlet from now until the election. This is their last chance before we get the draft back and Roe v Wade repealed.

[kerryin2004]

114. I wouldn't go that far

but they can do better then this, and we should expect better.. I have seen Kerry do interviews and a couple of speeches where I went wow.. But on a night to rebuttal Bush he should have hit a home run, and I think he unfortunately only hit a double..

[Bread and Circus]

116. A double, I might grant....but that's not good enough....

and seeing as how JK has been entrusted with the leadership of the Party, he better start taking it home.

[AuntPatsy]

124. I understand where you are coming from..

But see it this way, this was in fact Bush's night, JK knew very well that the media would not give him the air time he deserved giving most to the Bushes...

I see you do alot, which I for one thank you for your time, energy, passion and money for a good and worthy cause. I might be a bit green in the Political dept., but I think for tonight, staying up late just for this speech, I believe it did it's job seeing as the amount of press coverage it got..

I like you want more attacks. I have faith this was only a small sampling with the heavy guns to come very very soon..

[kerryin2004]

127. I think he will get it..

I don't expect him to be Clinton, but I would like him to relax a little, and redirect their questions wih answers that can lead to questions about them.. Alought of what they said about him at the rnc were either outright lies or total misrepresentations and I hate that he didn't answer and shoot back harder.. The one great line was the are you better off, and if so vote for Bush.. There are so few voters left that a line like this is a good kick in the teeth, but when a candidate like Bush is attacking(which is what he does in every campaign) you got to turn the shiat around on him.. I have seen GW do this I might be a dumb good ol boy Texan from MASS who really screws up, but I am better then the other guy 3 times, and I am sick of it.. He is a total failure that can only get elected with divisive issues and by raising doubt about the opposition.. He knows his group will show up to the polls, he is trying to keep those who are teetering home so that he will win because the people are just disgusted with both of them..

[Awsi Dooger]

120. You SHOULD make this a solo thread

Dolstein did not elabborate, but your points are very good, and accurate in my view. Watching Kerry's disjointed, no-smiles, poor rebuttal after Bush's excellent closing made me sink inside, literally the first time in months I have allowed defeat to enter my mind, and gone back to my "just good enough to get you beat" assessment of John Kerry.

Your post is buried here, at 100+. It warrants more attention, although I'm wagering you may join some ignore lists.

[kentuck]

107. dolstein's wanting attention again....

In the middle of a bunch of half-drunk Teamsters, at midnight, yelling and hollering, and he wants to hear the Gettysburg Address :)

[vetwife]

115. R u kiddin? the Gettysburg address wouldn't please some on our side

The speech was fine. The delivery was fine. We got a hurricane, 2 wars, a deficit and a maniac running the world and people want a drinking buddy they feel comfortable with. What is wrong with this picture? Maybe America does not derserve a man like Kerry. Maybe there are so many nitpickers, they will get stuck with the missing link again !

[Dr. Mullion Blasto]

118. I don't know about wanting attention

but I certainly think Kerry owes some attention to his base, and if this is the best that he and Edwards can do, then we are in big trouble here. Kerry needs desperately to regain the initiative. He was doing well in July when he had Bush playing defense and back on his heels. Now Bush has regained the initiative, and I do not think that this much-touted response by Kerry does the trick. There were some elements of improvement, but we just need to stop being nice, and stop being defensive. Even the best line in the speech, where he attacks Cheney is actually a defensive line.

[AmerDem]

117. What a hit piece. Poster never replied back once!

What the fuck was this all about. Guess the guy left running scared with shit running down his leg!

[Robbien]

125. Dead giveaway. A Hit and Run

What an "Alert" observation.

[Endangered Specie]

119. Take some advice from Teresa... SHOVE IT!

[Chelsea Patriot]

122. Queen! You've had one too many Dolls!

[Name removed]

126. Deleted message

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[vetwife]

129. EVEN CNN........where were you during the blitz 3 posts freep alert !

[shawmut]

130. It's been a dreadful 4 years

Two more months!

[MontecitoDem]

131. oh please. let this be the truth!

[Moderator]

132. locking

OP has not returned to even try to defend his position.