WTF is going on here. Are we really living in a world where a presidential ticket

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

is just THIS close to whipping up a lynch mob against their opponents?

Am I dreaming this?

[AllieB]

1. No, you're not. That's all they have left.

So they try to appeal to the lowest common denominator, which is the KKK demographic.

[knowbody0]

2. feeding on the fear of true racists

I'm not suprised.

[truedelphi]

3. This sounds like it is off topic But it isn't.

I have The TV commercials on with the sound lowered or off.

Lately this "American Carol" commercial is on a lot. And it is very violent. It shows the Michael Moore clone being beaten about the head, assaulted, and thrown out a window.

The first time I saw it, it had the sound on. ANd it didn't seem so offensive with the joking words. But with the sound off, it looks like a bunch of deranged Nazis slam dunking Michael Moore in a most brutal fashion.

I keep thinking of how Moveon couldn't get the ad space for their "General Betrayus" ad. And yet this physical attack on one of the progressive crowd's heroes goes on and on, like some sort of demented Energizer bunny.

[ElboRuum]

27. Don't fret that.

Check out the Top 10 Conservative Idiots this week to see how "well" this cinematic tour-de-force is actually doing at the box office. With receipts like that, it'll be pulled in a matter of weeks.

[SurfingAtWork]

53. The low ticket sales are a conspiracy by the Hollywood elite!

I shit you not, the 3 minutes this morning that I watched Faux, this is how they were spinning it. They said that if you buy a ticket for that movie, you'd be allowed in, but if you looked at the ticket, it was actually for another movie. Some theaters were also listing the movie as rated R, even though it was a PG-13 Movie.

I was surprised they were able to keep a straight face as they spewed their bullshit.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[FrenchieCat]

4. The ticket of HATE!

That is our choice.......Hope vs. Hate.

[Shakespeare]

5. Josh Marshall just posted the same thing.

I've been EXTREMELY upset by this all fucking day, and nobody is calling them on it. Marshall's post:

10.06.08 -- 7:04PM // link | recommend (134)

Who They Are, What They're About
So we have McCain today getting his crowd riled up asking who Barack Obama is and then apparently giving a wink and a nod when one member of the crowd screams out "terrorist."

And later we have Sarah Palin with the same mob racket, getting members of the crowd to yell out "kill him", though it's not clear whether the call for murder was for Bill Ayers or Barack Obama. It didn't seem to matter.

These are dangerous and sick people, McCain and Palin. Whatever it takes. Stop at nothing.

--Josh Marshall

[Rocknrule]

10. Link please?

[salin]

14. talkingpointsmemo.com

[Lint Head]

6. And Sara will slap the horses behind.

You show me a racist and I'll show you a fucking republican. :dem:

[Jade Fox]

7. We're witnessing the last gasp of what started in ernest .....

with the 2000 election. The Republicans have been in open-throttle attack mode for so long now they're unable to recognize how ugly, dangerous, desperate, and silly they've become.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. This is now the reality in America

I am as shocked as you. McCain-Palin supporters are shouting "KILL HIM" and "TERRORIST"

[RagAss]

29. Not for long.

[OwnedByFerrets]

47. What, may I ask, is going to change it....

When BO wins, the right wing machine will fill the airwaves with hate speech. And the koolaid drinkers and the dittoheads will eat it up like ice cream. I have said all along that asses like Limpballs are begging for an Obama win. It will mean MILLIONs more in their pockets. They will be spewing hate every day.

[NYC_SKP]

9. It's less violent than the revolution that would necessarily follow a McCain

victory after some short passage of time.

We are witnessing the violent campaign that is but a symptom of a near terminally ill patient.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. the death throws of a campaign, another debate for them to lose tomorrow and then they are

pretty much done

they can't expect to turn everything around with just the third debate.


McCalin could catch Bin Laden and it wouldn't matter at this point.


The Repugs are all in trouble and they know it. The landslide for Obama will help carry other Democrats on his coattails and swing the balance of power for a generation, if not longer.


We just need to stay calm, stay focused, and don't make any unforced errors (and keep our candidate safe) while the opposition goes under for the third time.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

12. Why can't they just lose? They'd really prefer to incite maniacs to violence?

What kind of people are these?

[Motown_Johnny]

17. immoral power hungry morons who are willing to do evil because they feel that only they know what is

best for everyone


they convince themselves that it is less evil to do this than to let someone else take charge and do things in a way they disagree with


you know



Republicans

[WinkyDink]

42. Yes to everything except "best for everyone." They don't care about US.

[intheflow]

49. Sure they care about us.

Who else can they enslave to serve them and their evil plans?

[salin]

18. the followers are slipping into delusional territory

the leaders are so cynical as to exploit the delusions.

There is, imo, a delusional psychological pull for some - to want to believe in their and their leaders righteousness so much, that even when the leaders dive into the ridiculous (and dangerous) the followers strive to protect themselves from cognitive dissonance and having to rethink *everything* they had previously come to believe about their world (and rw leaders), that if given any shred of thing to hang onto as appearing of making sense (within the increasingly delusional world view), is grabbed onto - and anything which threatens to bring reality into the thinking which would force the painful cognitive dissonance - is demonized reflexively.

And with rw leaders (Palin and McCain) intentionally stoking the fires in the hope of political exploitation, and the rw radio (and fox tv and other rw media) fanning the fires... it starts moving into dangerous territory.

[Wednesdays]

22. They're setting things up for 2010

See my post here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=391200&mesg_id=391231

[bbgrunt]

34. they are truly terrorists who are advocating political assassination.

they are abhorrent.

[WinkyDink]

41. The kind that overthrew our democracy in 2000 with a corrupt Supreme Court? That destroyed Habeas

Corpus rights?

THAT TORTURES YOUNG MEN SWEPT UP OFF IRAQI STREETS?

THAT kind of people.

[Morning Dew]

44. adapting Rummy to the McCain Campaign.

August 25, 2003, Rumsfeld:

"The dead-enders are still with us, those remnants of the defeated regimes who'll go on fighting long after their cause is lost."

[MadMaddie]

13. No you are not dreaming!

But don't be frightened my friend our side is growing daily. Their turn of fear, loathing and hate are coming to an end.

We (as in all Americans who see them for who they are - traitors)will not tolerate their bullshit anymore. If it is a fight they want then they will get more than they bargained for.

They are so careless that we need to pay close attention when Palin or McCain break the law and try to incite violence we need to make sure to file complaints with the local police departments and get charges filed. We need to make sure the FBI is involved.

These actions are unbecoming of a Presidential and VP candidate in the US.

[RagAss]

15. That's all they ever were about.

[dbmk]

16. Just to make sure that you don't end up in a loosing discussion

The "kill him" yell was rather clearly aimed at Ayers.

This is slowly being treated like McCain and Co. treated the lipstick comment. I think the terrorist comment at the McCain rally was worse.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. I notice that you are pimping this point on several threads about this.

We don't have audio/video on this yet that I've seen, and the news article sources don't make it clear who the maniac was referring to.

What if it was Ayers? Is it appropriate for a VP candidate to whip up this kind of violent impulse in followers, and say nothing when the naked emotion is stated?

What's your answer to that, smooth guy?

[dbmk]

20. Smooth guy? I am just trying to avoid collective embarassment

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

""Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. "

Thats what we have to go on, as far as I can tell. And there is nothing there as far as I can tell that indicates that this was aimed at Obama.

As for your question: No, I don't think its ok. I think its ugly and reprehensible.

Everyone was rightfully angry at the feigned indignation the McCain campaign was putting out over the lipstick comment. "They threatened to kill Obama" when as far as the story supports it right now, it has no legs to stand on, is not much better.

I say go after the terrorist comment at the McCain rally. There you can hit McCains honor and morals, much harder.

[treestar]

23. Though no matter who it was aimed at

It was a pretty horrible comment.

And it would only happen at a Republican rally. That's the kind of people they are.

[dbmk]

37. Agree. Terrifying.

It was not my argument that this wasn't ugly or did not warrant outrage. I just took logical exception to the claims that this was a threat against Obama. Outrage over something that seemingly has no basis in the facts (as we know them presently) won't score any points where it matters.

But the terrorist yell (and apparently also a "Kill him") directed at Obama at the McCain rally.. Now there is something to go after.

And overall it paints a very troublesome picture. There is plenty of stuff there, without fudging with facts.

[RagAss]

28. Unless you were inside this asshole's head, you don't know !

[dbmk]

32. Nope, and I am pretty sure someone like that was thinking it

Just don't see a case for it here.

[calmblueocean]

33. The 'him' could be Obama or Ayers. It's not possible to tell yet.

It might not be possible to tell even when we have audio.

But I frankly find it much less likely that this nobody Ayers is inspiring a thirst for blood in the Republican audience, than that they've been convinced by all the Hannity rhetoric that Obama really is a terrorist Muslim out to usurp the presidency.

They've been stoking fear and hatred of Obama based on these lies for months now. That's where the "Kill him!" is more likely to come from, in my opinion.

[Left Is Write]

50. No matter who the "kill him" was directed at, it's a clear incitement to violence.

Palin did not condemn this incitement, nor apparently will this "Kill him!" guy be held accountable for it. That in itself is disgusting.

[endarkenment]

52. Oh so that makes it acceptable? WTF?

[symbolman]

21. If someone screams "Kill him" around Me

I'd be tempted to beat them to a bloody pulp.

You ain't pulling that shit in MY country, there's been enough death of decent god fearing candidates in my lifetime.

It ends now.

[babylonsister]

25. I'd help you. Amen, symbolman. nt

[symbolman]

30. I'll hold them

and you can kick them in the Palins :)

Normally I'm a peaceful guy, but you can't allow this kind of mentality, before long we've got jackboots and brownshirts.. nip it in the bud I say..

[SaveAmerica]

43. Maybe we can have people start going to the rallies to point these freaks out to the Secret Service

and/or call for a citizen arrest.

[symbolman]

46. I doubt if it would work

but I'm all for it, can't believe the SS wouldn't take that person for a little walk and give them a good talking to.. Remember I the guy joking in a bar about a "burning bush"? I think that guy, tho proven to have mental issues was given jail time..

Need about 6 people to ALL perform a citizen's arrest at the same time..

[SaveAmerica]

48. I think it should be organized, there are enough people who love Obama who'd suffer through

a McCain or Palin Klan meeting with camcorders to make these people pay with time behind bars if at all possible. And maybe we can be the media in that regard, too. These freaks are just bullies who say these things because they're anonymous, we need to get footage out there, then we'll see who's brave enough to keep threatening a presidential candidate.

[ElboRuum]

24. Somewhere, down deep...

...we always knew that, if it came down to it, that precisely this would be factored somehow, somewhere into the Republican campaign. McCain and Palin have failed miserably on all of the relevant issues, failed to make any of their thinly-veiled cast aspersions stick to Obama, so worse has come to worst for them. And as predicted, even this is not beneath them.

[NHDEMFORLIFE]

31. I wish the Secret Service would publicly make a stink

I understand they won't, but this crap from McSenile and Failin strikes a nerve in any person with a sliver of humanity and any appreciation of history. It scares me.

[babylonsister]

35. The great thing about this is 'everyone knows how low they will go', and

are going. There will be some who cheer, but this is bound to turn a lot of people off.

I've seen it on every cable station except faux. Their strategery isn't going over well.

[ElboRuum]

39. And if McCain is such an "honorable man"

where is the vocal outcry from HIM against this sort of crap? Hmm?

That's BOUND to hurt him tremendously.

[babylonsister]

40. Someone called Obama 'a terrorist' in his presence today. Do

you remember someone calling Clinton 'a bitch'? He laughs, and has no honor. He never 'apologized' for either.

[depakid]

26. Enough is enough

Looks to me like the common theme.

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. And don't underestimate the prior "antichrist" stuff, already planted.

IMO it was already deliberate incitement then - a month or two ago.

[barack the house]

38. Barack only needs to highlight their pain doesn't come from a guys funny middle name it comes from >

McCain's tragic policy he has endorsed for 3 decades. McCain doesn't feel their pain he made their pain. He onnly needs to highlight if we all became blind tomorrow would style and image matter at all wouldn't we all understand that it's how had the best policy than the most bile.

[nc4bo]

45. As far as I'm concerned, racists like the ones shouting at the Mccain/Palin rallies ARE terrorists.

They should be treated as such and Mccain/Palin should be put on notice.

I'm sick of this shit.

[endarkenment]

51. No dream. The potential for another huge disaster here is real.

It is getting very ugly very quickly.