Ldotters turn on McCain over criticism of Zell!

[carrowsboy]

"McCain: Miller May Cost Bush"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mccain3sep03,1,5146607.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

Sen. John McCain, who has pushed for more civility in this year's presidential race, is warning that the biting attack on Sen. John F. Kerry by a fellow Democrat at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night might harm President Bush's efforts to woo swing voters. McCain (R-Ariz.) said the keynote address by Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.) could prove as controversial as a speech by Pat Buchanan at the 1992 GOP convention in Houston.

Comments:

Reply 1 - Posted by: eliza, 9/3/2004 3:20:43 AM

Poor John. Really feeling overshadowed, is he?

Someone stroke him, please.

McCain is useless. This is how he repays the terrific slot and opportunity he was given? By carping about someone who shared the podium with him?

Put a sock in it, John; you're not calling the shots here.


Reply 2 - Posted by: StoneP, 9/3/2004 3:24:22 AM

Didn't he hear about Frank Luntz' focus group, who was particularly swayed by Zell Miller because as a Democrat he had credibility? They didn't think it was over the top and they were the undecideds that everyone wants! Zell hit a home run!


Reply 3 - Posted by: arikari, 9/3/2004 3:24:39 AM

Doesn't he ever get tired of sucking up to the media?


Reply 4 - Posted by: JHSMom02, 9/3/2004 3:30:13 AM

I have had an epiphany about John McCain today. I'm not a psychologist and I hate psycho babble, but I heard Rush mention on today's show how McCain always seems to side with or try to appease the media. Could this be a manifestation of a condition common to people who have been held prisoner? I wonder if this a mechanism of survival, agreeing with or attempting to side with in some manner his interviewer / interrogator? Could this be Stockholm Syndrome? Just a thought.


Reply 5 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 9/3/2004 3:37:24 AM

I think #4 hits the nail on the head. Excellent!

And there's a big difference between Buchanan and Miller. Buchanan was a Republican when he gave that speech trying to rally the conservative GOP base. Zell is a Democrat, appealing to conservative Democrats and independents. And as far as "costing" him the election, that can be summed up in two words in 1992: Ross Perot.

John McCain really needs to retire . . . to a retirement home.


Reply 7 - Posted by: anonymous, 9/3/2004 3:44:23 AM

I thought Zell Miller's speech was far too bombastic to be effective in the overall scheme of things. And he's not entirely credible because I believe he's spoken out in support of Kerry in the past. The follow-up stoush with Matthews reinforced my feelings about him.


Reply 8 - Posted by: AHerald, 9/3/2004 3:45:32 AM

He's always got to pee in the pool just when everyone else is having fun.


Reply 10 - Posted by: pub_crawler, 9/3/2004 3:47:31 AM

McCain is no team player.


Reply 12 - Posted by: ScienceMike, 9/3/2004 4:05:36 AM

Re: #4, it sounds like Rush has been casting about a bit. The crew on National Review Online's "The Corner" noted the McCain suckup factor to the journalistic "clerisy" a ways back.

Either way, it's getting long past time for McCain to shut his damned trap. It isn't all just about him.


Reply 13 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 9/3/2004 4:16:04 AM

Gee, #7, I guess it surprises you that a Democrat like Miller would support a Democrat like Kerry on lots of issues. But we're not here to discuss Miller's voting record. He's not running for the most powerful position on earth. In fact, Miller is retiring and he has NOTHING TO GAIN by saying what he did.

The one and only issue, by which all else is measured, is who is better at protecting the country. The answer is clear, and Zell said in loud and clear. Bush.


Reply 14 - Posted by: Joe Friday, 9/3/2004 4:19:43 AM

The truth is hard to take! Most especially when you are trying to hide from it!

Miller sounds good to all us straight shooters!

Tricky McCain is a loser and a suck up to the MSM! He is not entirely trustworthy!


Reply 15 - Posted by: Sid Shovel, 9/3/2004 4:23:53 AM

If ya can't trust a maniac, who can you trust? What maroon


Reply 16 - Posted by: AbingtonJim, 9/3/2004 4:38:32 AM

#7 As Zel has said in the past, he was a freshman senator, Kerry needed someone to stand up and say something nice about him and Zel read from the script the Kerry people gave him.

As for John ''The Prisooner'' McCain, he should fade into the sunset and keep his mouth shut. Another John that won't sign a 180 and let the truth be told, he's just P.O.'d cuz Zel has a bigger set of stones and says the things he doesn't have the courage to say.


Reply 17 - Posted by: TheTech, 9/3/2004 4:45:34 AM

I agree with #4.

As for Zell Miller. He did more than reach out to Undecideds and Reagan Democrats. He demoralized the Dimocrat Party and they know it. He laid out the agenda and path for justifying the majority of decent people in that party to come to their senses and vote for W.

They will.


Reply 18 - Posted by: Momma Walton, 9/3/2004 5:05:14 AM

Read Zell's book and it will clarify what he said. He realized what the Dems/Libs were doing to his party and he was ashamed and decided to retire from politics but hoped to change them - not an easy task - with Kennedy/Kerry/Edwards still there, but hopefully Daschle will be a thing of the past comes November.

God bless Zell Miller and may many more Dems come to their senses and realize that their party is veering too far left.

McCain hasn't decided who he is for - he flip-flops too!!! Must be his association with Kerry!!


Reply 19 - Posted by: USA Yasmine, 9/3/2004 5:12:33 AM

I watched "The Spew" the other day when McCain was on with his wife Cindy. I thought Id hear him let those liberal b^%&$s have it, instead, he pandered and bloviated and sounded for all the world like a rhino running for office. Im sick of him and his camera hogging.


Reply 21 - Posted by: punkinpie, 9/3/2004 5:19:39 AM

zell spoke the plain truth, a refreshing clarity in the fog that is kerry


Reply 26 - Posted by: LEPhunt, 9/3/2004 6:04:16 AM

Hey, I have a little different take on things...I think McCain May Cost Bush...someday GW may learn that being nice to the "enemy" will eventually come back to bite him in the rear end...I hope it won't be too late...my only hope is that REAL REPUBLICANS in Arizona will make their feelings known to this "TRAITOR"...I truly believe he is the Manchurian Candidate planted in the Republican Party to wreak havoc on it...JOHN, SHUT UP !!! Even Zell Miller didn't seek the nearest camera to say "Kennedy May Cost Kerry", or "Gore May Cost Kerry", or "McAwful May Cost Kerry"...anyone hear a DIM come out of the Dim Coven in Boston and make such a comment about any of their seakers ? Of course not.


Reply 27 - Posted by: paiso, 9/3/2004 6:12:08 AM

McCain sounds like a jealous little kid who has been upstaged by someone with courage.


Reply 29 - Posted by: LEPhunt, 9/3/2004 6:15:44 AM

Too bad he is such a coward that he has to vilify an old man...he was also"upstaged" by Giuliani, Swartzenegger, and Laura Bush, but methinks he figured if he slammed them they'd of kick his arse.


Reply 30 - Posted by: geo11, 9/3/2004 6:22:13 AM

McPain wants to remain in the limelight and will say anything to keep the cameras rolling. Bush knows this guy can't be trusted but is using him as best he can. Keep your enemies close.


Reply 32 - Posted by: West Side Irish, 9/3/2004 6:47:00 AM

McCain is ticked off because nobody can even remember that he spoke at the convention just four days ago. He was upstaged by every other speaker at the convention and he knows his sun is setting.


Reply 33 - Posted by: Buzz Crawford, 9/3/2004 6:52:42 AM

The truth is powerful when spoken with passion. Passion that comes from the heart.
John McCain needs to stop being a critic and start campaigning for President Bush.
He can't make everybody happy.
It's called FREEDOM John.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
I haven't heard Republicans crying about the months of negative lies about our President.


Reply 34 - Posted by: mulhaven, 9/3/2004 7:00:50 AM

I saw McCain on TV and the first thing he did was lie. He said Miller questioned Kerry's patriotism - that never happened. I turned to another station. McCain is untrustworthy.


Reply 35 - Posted by: MHR, 9/3/2004 7:02:09 AM

It's simple McCain is out for McCain....

[acmavm]

1. They do have one thing right, McCain is out for McCain. But hell, they're

more than ready to use the guy when it suits them.

[Libby2]

2. My favorite

The one and only issue, by which all else is measured, is who is better at protecting the country. The answer is clear, and Zell said in loud and clear. Bush.


Bullshit.....how many people have died on bushit's watch?

Stupid, stupid repukes. :)

Deny it all you want, the 3000 people murdered was on bushie's watch....feel safer now???

Yeah.....me too.....heavy sarcasm.

[NewHampshireDem]

3. How quickly they turn on their own and label him as mentally ill

Now, point out that * is a *confirmed* alcoholic, and they get all pissy.

[Leilani]

4. These posters sound a lot like many DUers!

It just goes to show, you cannot be loyal to your party, & fair to a friend.

McCain is trying to be a loyal Repub, while sticking up for Kerry, & refusing to go negative.

But Repubs think he is selling out...they want him to stick a knife in Kerry.

And Dems hate him now, because he is campaigning for Bush. They wanted him to do a Zell Miller, & turn on Bush.

In 2000, after Bush smeared McCain, he still made a speech for him & campaigned for him.

For some reason, people think this year should be different.

I think he should have stayed home in Arizona.

[hadrons]

5. "Didn't he hear about Frank Luntz' focus group ...."

:eyes:

[salvorhardin]

6. Hah! I love how Rush Limbaugh

is dragging out the very attack the Repugs used on McCain during before.

"He's not right in the head, ya know. I think he's got problems left over from when he was a prisoner."

And the sheeple just lap it up!

[carrowsboy]

7. and yet...

McCain allows them to!

[carrowsboy]

8. more....Ldotter threatens violence against McCain

Reply 41 - Posted by: mab2, 9/3/2004 7:18:01 AM

Oh #29, I disagree. That tough ex-Marine would wipe the floor with McCain if it came to that, which it undoubtedly wouldn't. Ol' Keating John just had to attack SOMETHING to do with Bush and this was probably a typically spur of the moment piece of idiocy.


Reply 45 - Posted by: lionesse, 9/3/2004 7:30:50 AM

McCain is certifiably mentally ill. CAn you imagine what goes on in HIS marriage?
I think Cindy is an abused wife.

McCain, I repeat, is mentally ill. Someone needs to get him to a doctor. I am serious.


Reply 47 - Posted by: R.W. Texan, 9/3/2004 7:42:34 AM

After years in the "Hanoi Hilton", and even more in Desease Central(D.C.), he has become dillusional.


Reply 54 - Posted by: lori, 9/3/2004 7:55:32 AM

I met a woman who was a McCain staffer a while back. He told me that McCain hates women, especially women who are taller than he is. She said she would wear really high heels when she had to meet with him. It drove him crazy. Just a little tidbit for his psychological file. BYW, she also told me that he despised Kerry.


Reply 59 - Posted by: felina g, 9/3/2004 8:11:10 AM

McCain has some sort of "Jesus Complex" that smacks of deep psychological problems.


Reply 62 - Posted by: Btrooper, 9/3/2004 8:26:04 AM

Those of you who know me..What did I say yesterday about McCain? He is not to be trusted... not ever.


Reply 65 - Posted by: lasvegaslou, 9/3/2004 8:34:16 AM

Following is just a small sample of a different view of John McCain. Try to read the whole piece if you can.

"Reds Say PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral
. . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner." Saigon-UPI, June 4, 1969


Reply 75 - Posted by: TexasRed, 9/3/2004 10:39:30 AM

McCain is a jealous little snit who is upset because Miller gave a better and more widely covered speech than he did. McCain is an extremely small (microscopic midget) man.


Reply 77 - Posted by: Matt, 9/3/2004 10:40:22 AM

As usual, McCain is full of BS. Miller was wonderful and a breath of fresh air. McCain could learn a lot from Miller about honesty, commitment, truthfulness, etc.


Reply 78 - Posted by: pss, 9/3/2004 10:48:55 AM

Our president should drop MCCain and pick up Zell Miller to campaign with him.The people in Arizona should drop MC Cain off to the nearest hospital instead of voting for him. May save his life, he is deeply disturbed.Such a shame for a hero. He clings to Kerry for no reason than he was in Viet Nam- Now McCain being in Viet Nam is different, and should also realize just as his father was a admiral, Bushs' was Ambassador to the UN at the same time and that fact alone says they both should of been held back for the very reason that McCain was tortured.Enemies love to get a known prisoner.