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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:09 AM
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what was kerry's first tour? 1 year in vietnam?
off the coast?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:12 AM
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1. somebody know?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:12 AM
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2. On the Gridley off the coast of Vietnam. He was in the Navy, of course.
Edited on Fri Sep-03-04 10:13 AM by Pirate Smile
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:13 AM
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3. was it 1 year though?
i just wouLd Like a confirmation before ripping into someone for saying, "he was onLy there 4 months"
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:14 AM
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6. Yes, it would've been one year on WestPac deployment.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:15 AM
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7. That is what I have heard
Tours were longer back then, as in deployments... never mind we are back to eight and nine month deployments now
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:21 AM
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11. Yes, the tours were for one year. So after he had already completed a
tour he requested the swift boats for a second tour. That was the "4 months" they keep talking about and forgetting the tour on the Gridley.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:14 AM
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4. it is considered a tour. ships provide support to ...
troops in many ways. My father is retired Navy and his ship was supporting Vietnam troops.

Also, my niece is in the Navy and her ship is now supporting troops in Iraq.

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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:21 AM
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12. sorry if I sounded defensive
I went full steam ahead "assuming" you were disputing that Kerry's first tour was somehow not legit.
<sheepishly she says> Please forgive.
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:14 AM
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5. Kerry's service record
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service_timeline.html

February 18, 1966 Kerry formally enlists in the U.S. Navy

August 22, 1966 Kerry reports for Naval Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island

December 16, 1966 Kerry receives commission as an Ensign
January 3, 1967 Kerry reports for duty at the Naval Schools Command at Treasure Island (CA)-Takes 10 week Officer Damage Control Course

March 22, 1967 Reports to U.S. Fleet Anti-Air Warfare Training Center (CA). Receives training as a Combat Information Center Watch Officer.

June 8, 1967 Kerry reports to USS Gridley-serves in several capacities
February 9, 1968 USS Gridley departs for a Western Pacific (WESTPAC) deployment, to engage in operations in support of the Vietnam War. Ship spends time in the Gulf of Tonkin off North Vietnam, at Subic Bay in the Philippines and in Wellington, New Zealand

February 10, 1968 Kerry requests duty in Vietnam He lists his first preference for a position as an officer in charge of a Swift Boat (designated PCF for Patrol Craft Fast), his second as an officer in a patrol boat (designated PBR, for Patrol Boat River) squadron

May 27, 1968 USS Gridley sets sail for the US

June 6, 1968 Kerry arrives in Long Beach the day after Senator Robert F. Kennedy is killed in Los Angeles

June 16, 1968 Kerry promoted to Lieutenant, Junior Grade

July 20, 1968 Kerry leaves Gridley for specialized training at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado, CA in preparation for service as commander of a Swift Boat. These unarmored, but heavily armed, fifty foot aluminum hulled patrol boats depended on speed and agility when engaging the enemy.

November 17, 1968 Upon completion of his training, Kerry reports for duty to Coastal Squadron 1, Coastal Division 14, Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam.

December 1968
through January 1969 Kerry commands PCF-44

December 2, 1968 Kerry experiences first intense combat; receives first combat related injury.

December 6, 1968 Kerry moved to Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi on Phu Quoc Island

December 13, 1968 Kerry moved to Coastal Division 13, Cam Ranh Bay

December 24, 1968 Kerry involved in combat during the Christmas Eve truce of 1968. The truce was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around Lieutenant Kerry and his five-man crew. Reacting swiftly, John Kerry and his crew silenced the machine gun nest.
January 22, 1969 Kerry and other Swift boat commanders travel to Saigon for meeting with Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam (COMNAVFORV), and Gen. Creighton Abrams, Commander United States Military Assistance Command Vietnam (COMUSMACV)

Late January, 1969 Kerry joined his 5 man crew on PCF-94

Late January through
Early March, 1969 Starting in late January 1969, this crew completed 18 missions over an intense and dangerous 48 days, almost all of them in the dense jungles of the Mekong Delta. Kerry's crew included engineman Eugene Thorson, later an Iowa cement mason; David Alston, then the crew's only African-American and today a minister in South Carolina; petty officer Del Sandusky of Illinois; rear gunner and quartermaster Michael Medeiros of California; and the late Tom Belodeau, who joined the crew fresh out of Chelmsford High School in Massachusetts. Others rotated in and out of the crew. The most intense action came during an extraordinary eight days of more than 10 firefights, remembered by Kerry's crew as the "days of hell."

February 20, 1969 Kerry and crew involved in combat; Kerry receives second combat injury – Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a shrapnel wound in his left thigh.

February 28, 1969 For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat mission. As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty-feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. The daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed. On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats again were taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF-94; with utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

March 13, 1969 For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA Lords operation in the Bay Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry’s calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry is authorized to wear the Combat “V”.

March 17, 1969 The policy of Coastal Squadron One, the swift boat command, was to send home any individual who is wounded three times in action. After sustaining his third wound from enemy action in Vietnam, Kerry was granted relief under this policy.

Early April, 1969 Kerry departs Vietnam

April 11, 1969 Kerry reports for duty at the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet in Brooklyn, NY.
January 1, 1970 Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant

January 3, 1970 Kerry requests discharge

March 1, 1970 Kerry’s date of separation from Active Duty

April 29, 1970 Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:18 AM
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9. compare this to oh
george

Kerry left teh service as an O-3 which is very good for a four year hitch... Bush, wiht officially six only managed to get to O-2, why do I bring this up? Bush was a well bellow officer and I wonder if he was passed for promotion
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:20 AM
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10. thank you
i didn't want to Lose the moment. i couLd have just faked it, but i Like to teLL the truth when i can.
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:39 AM
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15. So he was in the Navy for four YEARS....
...so tell those four month assholes to "Shove it"
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:45 AM
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16. And that information jives with the VSM he wore in this photo


In this photo he wears the VSM with two bronze star devices. His DD215 lists his VSM as erroneously having four bronze star devices. Based upon his service record, he would have participated in the Tet Counteroffensive; Counteroffensive, Phase VI; and Tet 69/Counteroffensive. This would mean three VSM awards so the two bronze stars he wears are accurate.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:16 AM
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8. Here's a link to a timeline of his service
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:27 AM
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13. January 1, 1970 Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant
There is a difference between a Navy "full Lieutenant" and a National Guard 1st Lieutenant. This should also be made known.
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 10:29 AM
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14. The Gridley was a guided-missle cruiser assigned to defending carriers.
He would not have seen much of the action on shore--if any--on a ship like this.

Coastal interdiction was done by smaller, mostly older vessels.
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