Why I WILL vote for Bush - gotta take one for the team

[deakonblues2k]

Ok...so perhaps I'm more of a moderate than most of the folks who patrol these forums. But I've got to take a long term view of this election. Here's what I see.

First, lets talk about our current economic, world situation. The economy will NEVER do what it did under Clinton. I'm a realist to believe that this was NOT a result of anything that any one person did. It was a combination of several factors which came together to create an atypical growth in the stock market and personal wealth. As this is what I believe, I feel that despite the turn around in the economy, it will never return in the near term to the "glory days" of the late 90's. This means that whatever B does in the next term, he'll never have the success that everyone is looking for.

On the world stage, with continued issues in Iraq and an expanding terrorist threat (at least via perception) given the situations in Russia and Chechnya, I don't see how there will be a meaningful diversion away from the terrorist threat...Not so long as people are blowing things and themselves up.

Now lets assume that Kerry is elected. He's saddled with tremendous debt. The tax increases he is proposing will generate negative perception at least at some level. He'll have to determine what he will do with Iraq, and regardless of what he does there, it will work to his benefit. If it turns out well, people will give Bush the credit, if it goes badly and he pulls the troops out in a failed campaign, he will get the blame.

One the home front, I expect that he would have as much luck as Clinton in getting Nationalized Health care. People are just not willing to put up the cash for it at this time. This certainly has the possibility of getting bogged down and failing miserably. I don't see how this can be pushed through with the country divided so evenly and with the house and Senate so closely divided.

I see Kerry coming in like Carter. A good man with good ideas, but crippled by his inability to build a consensus. He'll be targeted and any proposed legislation will be darned hard...every step will be a battle.

So the question is...Do we realize that regardless of the outcome, the fight for this election is already lost, allow bush to finish out his terms and focus all efforts on the 2008 election when we can put up a candidate that we can all get all get behind.

Personally, I think that if Kerry is elected, he'll be one term president and tarred and feathered enough with what he will inherit that we'll have 12 more years of republican control as opposed to letting them finish the job of hanging themselves.

Flame Away.

[mhr]

1. Unemployed 51 Months - Why I Will Vote For Kerry/Edwards

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[Walt Starr]

2. SNORK!

:hi:

You don't belong here.

[fearnobush]

3. You could do better than that. See ya.

[Beaverhausen]

4. Supreme Court

Do you want Bush naming possibly 3 members of the court?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. You're not very good at this are you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=703825

[chiburb]

22. Yep. Post-convention bounce...

Out from under the bridge.

[chiburb]

33. Of course now my response makes no sense

Because of your edit! Thanks a lot!
;-)

[bobbyboucher]

6. Big deal,

you're a fool. Thanks for the update.

[Trajan]

7. Bush finishing a second term ...

We may never recover ....

I prefer another Carter .....

[calico1]

8. I think you stumbled on the wrong message

board. Buh bye.

[Skidmore]

9. Just wanted to let you know that

your fig leaf is too small.

[still_one]

10. YOU ARE WRONG!!!

IF BUSH WINS THIS ELECTION ARE DEMOCRACY AS WE KNOW IT ARE GONE

SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WILL BE CHOSEN THAT WILL OVERTURN ROE V WADE

FORGET STEM CELL RESEARCH

THEY WILL CONSOLODATE POWER, AND IT WILL BE AT LEAST 20 YEARS BEFORE IT CAN BE REVERSED!!!

WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS BOARD?

[Kierkegaard]

11. Bye now...

:nuke:

[Mz Pip]

12. Even if everything

you say is true I would rather have Kerry picking the next couple of Supreme Court members than Bush. It really isn't a small thing.

MzPip
:dem:

[matcom]

let me get this straight

you have "compassion" for Kerry so your voting for the IDIOT??

funniest fucking thing i have heard all day.

now friend, are you of DRAFT age? i sure hope so. and your kids too (if you have any)

i'll not flame you as you aren't smart enough to "get it"

try turning off your radio and picking up a book. it will do WONDERS for you. i promise.

[LiberalVoice]

13. "the fight for this election is already lost"

That is ridiculous.

I think the most important thing you forgot to mention is that Bush is hell bent on making as munch money as possible through the sufferings of others. Why the fuck would you allow him another four years just because it will be an uphill battle for Kerry for the next four years. That is bullshit.

The choices are simple. Do you want a president who doesn't care how much death and destruction he causes in order to fatten his and his friends wallets?

Or, do you want a president who can start trying to correct the wrongs that Bush is responsible for and make this world a safer place for everyone?

You're completely willing to dismiss all the corruption that Bush is responsible for. No flame. Just disgust.

[Mick Knox]

14. Man I never thought of that.. YOURE RIGHT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOL

OK thanks for the comic relief. I needed that after the time poll.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. You go ahead and promote the growth of fascism in the USA,

cause I will be taking my tax dollars and myself to another country, where there is true democracy and not a craven desire dominate the world by military madness! I will not be a Nazi!!

[Rockholm]

16. Bush Is A Miserable Failure.

Bush is a LOSER. Morally, Spiritually and Physically. He does not deserve a second term. The damage has been done. Enough is enough.
Later, due. You have been flamed.

[hippiegranny]

17. two words

Supreme Court.

Worth fighting for, no matter what you say.

[Worst Username Ever]

18. Repubs have control of all branches of the gov't

they even have the most governorships. We need the executive branch, or we wil never, never recover. The supreme court WILL be stacked, and that will dictate policy for the next 20 years.

Edit: You've been waiting for a long time for this one, haven't you?

[Walt Starr]

19. Are you still here?

SHOO!

[TN al]

20. What amazes me ...

...is that you have lasted long enough to have 24 posts.

[catbert836]

21. I still don't see why

Kerry has said many times he only plans to raise taxes on the rich- the ones who can afford it, and lower taxes on the middle and lower classes. Hopefully, this won't be seen as raising taxes, but you're almost right, I wouldn't count on it.
What state do you live in? If you live somewhere like Texas, Wyoming or Massachusetts, go ahead. but if you live in a swing state, we really need your vote. besides, none of us can be sure there'll be a Democratic Party or even a United states by the time Dubya finishes his second term.

[AP]

23. What it will take to fix the mess Bush created is not complicated. You ...

...stop shifting all the benefits of society to the top and all the burdens to the bottom, and you do it everywhere.

What it will take to fix it is political will. Kerry has that.

If we don't fix it, fascism will be too firmly entrenched and America may NEVER recover. We'll be destroyed economically.

We will have ruined opportunities for millions of people who could have made wonderful contributions to society. The opportunity cost will be tremendous.

And if you think Kerry will be a one-termer because of the time bombs Repubicans will leave, there are two things to remember:

1) He has a fantastic number 2 who could be another FDR,
2) Just in terms of logic, you can't reward Republicans for leaving time bombs. If you do, then you guarantee that America's future will be the Republicans reducing opportunity, holding society down to a low level, because they get rewarded for doing so. You have to act as a voter in way that rewards GOOD and not EVIL.

[MoonRiver]

24. Why hasn't this thread been zapped???

ADMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MikeG]

25. Over/Under on when this guy gets tombstoned.

I say 5 more posts.

[Mick Knox]

29. Whats taking so long..

Mods must be on break :)

[istruthfull]

26. Ya know,

somebody has to pick up the mess. History has shown that the Democrats pick up the mess that the republicans make. Sorry, I don't think people here are as vindictive as on the freeper site.

[still_one]

27. You want more added to this list???

There have been 1,110 coalition deaths, 979 Americans, 65 Britons, six Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian, one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian, 10 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and eight Ukrainians, in the war in Iraq as of September 2, 2004

[scarletwoman]

28. Uh huh. What "team" would that be?

Let me see if I can follow your (il)logic: A Kerry presidency would have a difficult time due to the huge mess being left by the bush* maladminstration. Therefore, you want to give bush* four more years to create an even BIGGER mess, whereupon the 2008 Dem candidate will somehow be miraculously able to succeed in cleaning up 8 years of malfeasance more easily than Kerry will be able to clean up 4.

Riiiiiight... That's some pretty stinky bullshit you're peddling.

[Lefta Dissenter]

30. I can't believe I'm actually responding to this,

but why on earth would you hire the arsonist to be the fire chief who is responsible for putting out the fire that he started himself? :shrug:

I stole that from someone else who most likely said it a lot more concisely than I did.

[MoonRiver]

Works for me though!

Wish the adms would hurry up and finish up their break. How many alerts does it take?

[istruthfull]

38. lol

lol How true, how true.

[Rockholm]

41. I like that quote. May I use it?

[giant_robot]

31. So you're suggesting

that we vote to give the Democratic party a strategic advantage rather than voting for the good of the country?

Sorry, but putting party before country is more of a republican thing. We don't do that here.

[whalerider55]

32. so....

your arguments remind me a lot of the fundie armageddonisits; they support Israel because they know they don't get their date with jesus until the world comes to a flaming end, so they pal up with neo-con morons....

supreme court and judiciary...
four more years of environmental degradation...

and suppose, just suppose, the dems take presidency and one of the houses of congress... or both.

maybe, pal, enough people are sick of the way things are. maybe we've reached the very end of this sad, selfish period of time when the true conservatives and moderates have no home in the republican party, when corporate interests and the most intolerant elements of american culture have.

why not throw away your vote on kerry, then. if you're right, it won't matter anyway, because by your logic, in the long term, americans will seem the wisdom of screwing the country and crapping on the constitution for four more years anyway.

sheesh. make a whole argument supporting your theory, anyway. what you've presented certainly lacks the power to persuade.

"it's gonna suck, so i might as well go with the flow."

whalerider55

[gollygee]

34. Oh please (m)

Bush has done an incredible amount of damage over the past few years. This country can't afford to allow him to do any more.

[Texas_Dem]

35. that is about the dumbest..... oh why bother?

[Amaya]

36. The stupidity of this post makes my head hurt

:puke:

[Walt Starr]

37. What, no tombstone yet?

Man, the mods must eb busy what with the fake poll numbers (which CNN admitted there were problems with) and the trolls coming out from under the bridge.

Ah well, give it time.

[Christof]

39. Zell? Is that you?

[RadiDem]

40. You must hate Freedom like the other Ashkkkroftians ! -nt-

ddd

[AuntPatsy]

42. LOL its not so brave to do such on a message board you

know ;-) Try coming to my house, my family won't even discuss politics within my hearing, but I know one thing, though my husband is not with me on this even he will not verbaly annouce his choice cause he aint got a clue on the truth and that is where I win and he loses, he watches entirely too much faux, been married a long time too lol..but if your alot older, you will get my views with respect and more of a tempered voice...

So continue if you must, but acting like you are taking one for your side by posting that as if it makes you some kind of heroic marty, sorry, try again..in another avenue perhaps?

As always, very little substance but eloquently put...

Congratulations...

[GingerSnaps]

43. I noticed that a bunch of you guys joined last year but you haven't posted

Now your posting to make trouble on DU.

:hi:

[luaneryder]

44. Ignore

[Mick Knox]

45. Tap Tap Tap is this thing on?

Hurry up, this is a very persuading post.. he could changing peoples minds by the second!!!!

[MikeG]

46. He's gone.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. See I told you you weren't very good at it

Now you'll have to burn another one of your sock puppets

[Christof]

50. LOL!

[Nimble_Idea]

48. why the hell is this still here

whats wrong with you mods.

[slojim240]

49. I gotta tell you, I agree with you. Bush has ruined this country for a

long time to come. The world is much worse off because most of the people hate their leaders for joinging Bush's illegal war. Divisions have developed in most western nations and good part of Asia and Africa because of the war on terra. The US can only print more money to save itsself from being bankrupted by the war machine and the wealth flowing out of the country. Illeteracy must be on the rise in the US..how else can you explain why our children are so stupid? Americans are too arrogant to learn to speak another language and soon Americans will be foreigners in their own land. I say let the Repbulicans finish us off so we can finally get rid of them once and for all time. I see a viable third party rising from the ashes after this second Bush term.

Flame away if you must but convince me why my perceptions are wrong.

[Moderator]

51. locking

we don't advocate voting for bush

[bobbyboucher]

52. Consider suicide. Bush is done.

Laterdicksterhale.