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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:55 PM
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Dems need to call reporters on their "some people say..." tactics!
Anyone who has seen Outfoxed remembers their montage of reporters and pundits floating nonsourced talking points with the "some people say..." tactic. "Some people say that John Kerry looks too French", "Some people say the Kerry campaign is in disarray".

You know the drill, it happens all day every goddamn day on the "news".

I heard the other day that Michael Moore was on the Today Show with Katie Couric, and she said something like "Some people say you're a jerk". He just turned it back on her and asked something like "Do you think I'm a jerk?".

Why don't all Dems start doing this whenever they use the "Some people say..." line?

It's really easy...

"WHO says Kerry looks too French? I can't really respond to your question until I understand the source of your qoute. Do you think Kerry looks too French?"

Journalists are supposed to use sources - force the issue!

It also works perfectly with Repugs too. What's your source? Ends the debate every damn time!

Keep on fightin'-
eeyore

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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 07:59 PM
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1. or fox should change their name to
the "Some People Say News Channel"
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:04 PM
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4. It's not just Fox!
It's the same on every damn station. Dem guests just need to throw it right back at 'em.

Who says that?
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:07 PM
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5. I agree
I just like kicking Fox in the nutz every chance I get.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:00 PM
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2. something else to fight back with
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:52 PM
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8. Conceptual Guerilla is EXCELLENT!
I have only the most minor of quibbles, so I'll use them to highlight some of my own "fighting" techniques:

1. CG is still using the mindset of arguing facts with RadCons. It's much more effective to argue the central point first, and proceed directly to accusations, harassing questions, and personal quasi-attacks. Usually you won't need to go to a second point.

Rightists control your response by forcing you to answer dumb-ass questions. Address a lie immediately, then use it as a springboard to making the Rightist dance to your tune.

Save the statistical proof for the intelligent, the undecided, and the objective.

2. The Conservative Dandy identification strategy: CG misses the opportunity to slam the letter writer in question for his dandified use of the language. I call these haughty prancers "Conservative Dandies". In most people's minds, dandification is "gay". Since Conservative Dandies are so sensitive about their sexuality, CG could easily upset about 75% of right-wing "pundits" simply by calling them on their dandy manners. Once upset, the pundit will not be able to fight as effectively. Like the old saying goes, "Fire in the Head, Brains in the Ass."

Although I am myself uncomfortable with "playing the Fag card", it is devastatingly effective with conservatives, even gay conservatives. Do NOT use homophobia to play it -- simply pointing it out in a non-attacking context is enough achieve the desired result. Using the text as a surrogate for the author -- calling the rhetoric "fay", for instance -- is unmistakable but does not allow the Conservative Dandy the ironic pleasure of calling you a Homophobe (without risking further serious attacks). If he's not on to how you are pulling his chain, he will probably try to assert his Superior Manliness within a few sentences.

3. Avoid the obvious insults in your emotion-striking retorts. They don't work, and will usually cause a Conservative Dandy to think that you've "blundered into their oh-so-cleverly laid trap." Instead, subtly imply that they do not read much, that they are un-hip, that they are young, or that they -- in some way -- are clueless about real life in ways that even most children are aware.

The Conservative Dandy has a very strong self-concept that he's wise beyond his years, has a "rapier wit", and that his intelligence is of the highest water. In the words of Nanker Felge, he thinks he's "A Man of Wealth and Taste" because deep down, he fears he's an idiot. Play into that fear, and make his attempts at "artful verbal battle" into a nightmare of self-loathing.

The High Road approach does not work with Conservative Dandies. Their modus operandi is dominance-and-submission by ASCII text. Assume the position of the "Top" and cut yourself some fresh new switches. All encounters with the Conservative Dandy will either take place in public, or be made public -- you're performing for the Peanut Gallery. Make sure the "amusing public humiliation" is one YOU inflict on the Conservative Dandy.

4. You really do need to inflict maximum pain in minimum time. Conservative Dandies have massive egos and nurse their grudges for years. Smack the prancer down hard, then move on -- claim that you have to meet a client and can't be bogged down arguing with Little Lord Fauntleroy all day.

PS -- This ain't nothin' new. How do you think I got my nickname, anyway? Around 1980, the Radical Right sent a bunch of "shock troops" into the community colleges, including mine. Conservative Dandies are even more ridiculous in real life than on-line.

Fight back. Fight hard. Fight happy.

--bkl
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:03 PM
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3. Remember after 9/11...
"Some Democrats have said that it's better that Bush is President instead of Gore".
They never did name them, but several Dem staffers had come forward claiming that what they said was...
"It's better that Bush is President instead of Gore, because Democrats will work with Bush for the good of the country, but Republicans wouldn't have worked with Gore".
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:09 PM
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6. Some people say ...
... George Bush never showed up for a year of National Guard service.

... Laura Bush ran down her boyfriend on purpose.

... young Lt. Bush had to borrow money from the son of the Teaxs GOP chairman to pay for 15-year-old Robin Lowman's abortion.

... John "SwiftLiar" O'Neill took a lot of acid in 'Nam. A lot of acid.

... George had a gay fling when he was about 22 years old.

... Bar (Mother Bush) has a $75/day smack habit.

... George never did stop drinking.

... Halliburton is paying money into a Swiss bank account co-owned by Dick Cheney.

... George shot Jeb with a BB gun, and got spanked by his mother for it. When he was 32 years old.

... George Sr. is a shape-shifting alien lizard from Zeta Reticulii 4.

... Jenna didn't have an appendectomy, she had a D&C as a result of an unprotected "addadictomy".

... Barb (the brunette twin) started smoking at age 11.

... Dick Cheney, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, Ted Nugent, and Marvin Bush all like to vacation together in Thailand and have sex with pre-teen hookers.

Some people say these things. But I don't. No, not me. Because that would be wrong. Although other people say them.

--bkl
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:14 PM
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7. Priceless!
See how easy it is?

Some people say :yourock:
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