Bush is so good at debates, I'm really afraid he will blow Kerry

[democrat in Tallahassee]

away and it will all be over after the first debate. Please spread this around so that Kerry won't be complacent. Bush is a silver-tongued devil.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. Bush has never lost a debate.

He's a master debater.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Hehehe....minus the de.

[saganjpl]

21. Don't Write Kerry Off

I predict that Kerry will blow Bush away. Kerry is an experienced debater, and he's sharpened his attack (hopefully not too late), and if he discreetly carries that venom into the debates, he'll do great.

[rockymountaindem]

54. Welcome to DU

We're trying to lower expectations so Bush can't benefit from the "well, he strung a sentance together, so he beat Gore" effect from last time.

Just tell everyone Bush will win the debates, so that when Kerry wins people will be doubly impressed.

[newyawker99]

67. Hi saganjpl!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[blondeatlast]

68. Welcome to DU.

I've heard you on NPR, etc.

:toast:

[GOPAgainstGW]

25. Says Who!!! - That's Crazy

[LynneSin]

59. He never lost a debate because Dems caved into his debating demands

where Bush pretty much was given all the questions ahead of time so Rove could write up the answers and give Bush practice time on rolling them out.

Bush couldn't do a real debate if his life depended on it. Bush cannot speak off the cuff. Heck, when the protestors disrupted the convention last night, Bush looked like a damn deer in the headlights because he had no practice on how to deal with this kind of situation.

[wurzel]

2. If Bush is so good why is Baker reducing the number of debates?

[DoBotherMe]

3. Maybe the moderators

will ask the candidates to explain sovreignty ... bush is a mental midget

[madmax]

10. No, no you're lowering the bar.

If he comes out and speaks without shiting his pants - he wins.

:evilgrin:

Don't treat the man with the soft bigotry of low expectations...make the pie HIGHER!! }(

[Arkana]

39. No, stupid!

Remember? Sovereignty means you're sovereign! And a mindless mind is such a waste! And all your base are belong to us!

I love George W. He's a comedian's gold mine.

[theorist]

4. AHA! But Bush is easily riled.

I remember during his first debate with Gore, bush* seemed to get upset when Gore kept harping on the tax cuts, and how slanted they were towards the rich.

Unfortunately, Gore was too nice, and backed off. All Kerry needs to do is find a leak in the dam and start hitting at it, be it dead soldiers, unfunded mandates, scandals, etc. But he must pick one, and stick to it. If Bush snaps, we win.

[ClassWarrior]

46. Ohhhh... but Bush* won't snap.

He's soo cool. Such a straight-talkin', good natured fella...

[Kierkegaard]

5. What?

Borscht is a tin horn mental deficient. He has about as much chance of besting Kerry in a debate as Bill O'Really has of telling the truth.

[cheshire]

6. Kerry took debate in college and His speech to senate scared the

shit out of Nixon enough to have him watched. He is poised and he is right. Bush is lying and Kerry can prove it.

[graywarrior]

9. Kerry is better. Trust me.

[ClassWarrior]

47. Oh, I'd rather have a beer with George Bush*.

For that reason alone he'll trounce Kerry. Kerry is toast.

:evilgrin:

[Touchdown]

50. You can't. He's supposedly been dry for 25 years.

I know, but pick up the pieces of your shattered existence and move on. :evilgrin:

[olddem43]

7. Bush is very articulate and can think on his feet.

That's why he's sitting down at the debates.

[Kierkegaard]

14. HAHAHA!

I imagine Borscht will have a very important fishing vacation planned as an excuse to avoid debating Kerry.

[Democat]

8. Bush is going to blow Kerry?

I had to click on this thread to see what it was about. :)

[Clark4Prez]

15. Me too

I was thinking it meant Rove and Hughes out and the Fab Five in!

[allalone]

65. me too

and I'd pay money to see that

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

17. I know...

I thought that we were finally getting the campaign The American People deserve. ;-)

[ibegurpard]

63. Snarf!

I figured there was more to it than that but the title did grab my attention.

[tandot]

12. Bush is the greatest orator of our times. I agree, he will definately win.

his abilities to communicate clearly and to unite the country are beyond anything we have ever experienced.

I would suggest Kerry conceding right away. He'll never be able to beat this incredible master of the English language.

[madmax]

16. That's the ticket, tandot.

:evilgrin: :bounce: :kick:

[Old and In the Way]

32. Do Not misunderestimate our pResident!

Anyone who can make up new words excontemperraneously, is not someone to be trited with.

[theorist]

62. undermisled

Sure. He's famous for "misunderestimate". Why hasn't he coined "under-misled", as in "I say I have led this country around the corner and over the hill, but my enemies say I have undermisled this country."

[Old and In the Way]

66. That would be going overbase, I think.

We've turned the corner and can no longer see the nightmare of peace and prosperity in our rear view mirror.

[MoonRiver]

13. This must be a spoof thread. Like the Onion only less funny.

[catbert836]

34. I couldn't agree more

[Zen Democrat]

18. Bush never WON a debate .. he just won elections in spite of them.

When he debated Ann Richards in Texas, he stunk up the place. But he was voted in by all the rednecks who wanted to carry concealed handguns.

[RoeBear]

20. Shhh...

...the gun issue isn't important.

[Dr Fate]

19. It's true- Remember how the news showed how bad he beat Gore??

All the news shows played how he beat Gore-

He will be TOUGH for Kerry to beat. Hell, Kerry should be declared the winner just for having the guts to show up!

[ClassWarrior]

22. That was my thought exactly.

Bush* was MASTERFUL against Gore. He's going to debate circles around JK.

[dogtag]

27. Kerry is terribly handicapped

and it could sink him. Intelligence, decency, good manners and depth of knowledge may well do him in going up against the master.

[abrock]

61. This thread is funny, but remember the ultimate speaker of our time...

The man himself, Bill Clinton. Now there was a speaker.

[necso]

23. I don't mean to be fussy,

but could you change your subject line just a little?

[GOPAgainstGW]

24. Biggest Bunch of Garbage Devoid of Facts I Have Ever Seen!

Kerry will destroy Bush, just like he Destroyed O'Neill in 1971 in the public's mind.

[AuntPatsy]

28. Well thats the hub so to speak, Kerry will have no trouble

beating Bush in a debate, but will the media play fair or will they attack him as they did Gore? And if so, don't let it get to you guys, people are not that stupid any longer, more and more are taking an active role in doing more research themselves...

The media does not control this whole nation, many of us can and do think for ourselves..

[RetroLounge]

26. "I'm really afraid he will blow Kerry"

in the oval office???

RL

[Democat]

31. Maybe then the media would care about what Bush is doing?

It worked once. :)

[blue neen]

40. ROFLMAO!

[AlCzervik]

29. Bush's breadth of knowledge is only exceed by his

superior intellect and mastery of the English language.

[blondeatlast]

69. Bush>Shakespeare; Shakespeare invented words as well,

but never one as fine as "misunderestimated."

[catbert836]

30. No, he isn't

The last time Bush debated someone, it was a totally inept opponent, aka Al Gore. I don't mean to insult him or anythimg, but he really was trying to lose that election. You could tell.
Plus, Kerry's been a star debater all his life. Bush, to put it lightly, is no mental giant. So instead, I think it'll go the other way and Kerry'll blow Bush out of the water.
As for the VP debate, its gonna go the same way. John Edwards is was possibly the best trial lawyer in the whole country and could convince a jury of anything he wanted to. I can't wait to see him take Cheney apart brick by brick.

[AuntPatsy]

35. I respectfully disagree, Gore wanted that presidency

bad and did all he could to obtain it, he is not Clinton but he is a very intelligent man, I believe the reason he lost is not only did the GOP not play fair nor the media, but that he made one very large mistake and it was not about the debates...

It was trying to keep Clinton away from his campaign, fearing the stain of the white house little drama would somehow take votes from him, he should have had more faith as most of us do in Clinton, faith that has not once diminished in the slightest, by me anyway..

[Old and In the Way]

36. You really didn't watch the Gore v. Bush debates, did you.

C'mon, be honest....you really didn't watch them, did you? Bush "won" because the media meme was that Gore would destroy him. Gore only kicked his ass around the auditoriums, so the media's story was the debates were are draw. Except, why did Al look so wooden and what's with the sighing thing?

[AuntPatsy]

38. Lol , I promise I watched the whole thing, wooden?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that, did the media say that? He was very on target on what he was saying, and one cannot blame him for being shocked at the stupidity of his opponent and showing it for all the world to see, I don't really recall exactly what they said the next day other than Bush had won and I remember screaming at the tv going "whaaaat?"

My first real eye opener as far as an unfair media report...I think I was traumatized for days afterwards...

[RevCheesehead]

56. Al Sighed..

Bush lied
Thousands died
I cried

[ferg]

33. absolutely. The media will say Bush won each debate.

The media will say Bush won each debate. Guaranteed.

I don't know how Kerry can do a good enough job to get the media to report that he won the debate.

[pacalo]

37. I disagree.

To begin with, Dubya has a miserable record & his policies are attractive to only certain factions in the country.

But Kerry's ace in the hole is that Dubya can't think on his feet under pressure; he's thin-skinned, cowardly, & bumbling in adverse surroundings; & he's not even close to Kerry when it comes to being intelligent & articulate.

I'm looking soooo forward to the live debates!

[autorank]

41. Stop wasting our time with this type of crap!

[Zero Division]

42. You're right.

One utterance of inspired genius like "peance freance" by Bush and Kerry is finished. Damn it!

But seriously, the lowered expectations for Bush are frightening.

[merh]

43. Abo abo giraffee, abbbooo garrefff . . .

:shrug:

[depakid]

44. People must be living in an alternative universe to say

that Bush is a skilled debater. Nevertheless, the point is well taken- Kerry needs to prepare well for what works with the masses. Public debate in America are not so much about forensics- unlike real debate like CEDA or NDT- it's more about theatrics- and positioning- neither of which Bush does particularly well.

The problem Kerry has to overcome is that unless he's a major theatrical hit, his performance will be lied about and spun by the corporate media into a "draw," when in fact any forensics judge would give him the win hands down. Another thing he ought to try to do is get Bush's goat. By all accounts, the man has a temper and we all know how condescending he can come across- that's the side that Kerry needs to bring out- possibly with ridicule.

If Bush loses his composure, he loses the debate. Remember, this is a guy surrounded by yes men and hidden away from controversy. When asked tough questions or put into extemporaneous situations where he's not scripted, he gets flustered and exposes himself for the shallow, dishonest and unintelligent man that he is. People need to see that- and the media can't help but talk about that if it happens.

My worry is that Kerry will play Mr. congeniality- and pampers Bush, or is overly respectful, all bets are off.

[doc03]

45. It's not who wins the debate, it's who the media says wins the debate!

[ClassWarrior]

48. It's not who wins the debate...

...and it's not who the media says wins the debate. It's a game of expectations. And if the everyone believes Bush* will win, well they can come to their own conclusions after his performance doesn't match the hype.

[Kinkistyle]

49. LOL! Your talking about the same guy who explained sovereignty

"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities. "

BWAHAHAHAAA! :D Please are you TRYING to be funny? Just by looking at that one little press conference the outcome of the debates is embarrassingly obvious.

[tandot]

51. That just showed us the depth of his intellect how he makes us think...

...makes us think and say: "what the hell does he mean??? WTF???"

"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities. " It must be some language we are just too stupid to understand...he is the President...he is smart...he should be smart...well, never mind...

[Zinfandel]

52. The corporate media will say Bush won, even if Bush doesn't say one word!

And they will keep pounding away saying this bullshit until people even on the left will say oh well Bush did do better than we expected...hence, Bush comes out a winner.

The format for the debate is oh so important as well.

If they have a format with a right-winger steering the debates like they did with musclehead Arnild in CA, all will be lost...there has to be real debate...not one that Rove insists on, with the question in advance, or politely done on say Larry King...then Bush will win those lite weight "debates, as being likeable:!!!!

[RevCheesehead]

58. Exactly. Here are my nominees for moderator:

Keith Olbermann
Bill Maher
Jon Stewart

[Zen Democrat]

53. For all of you who really think that Bush won the 2000 debates ....

The fact is that Bush had a 17-point lead after the Republican convention, but LOST the election. Remember? Seems like he must have lost the debates.

55. The temptation will be hard to resist

When bumbling Bush stumbles over basic facts, won't it be very difficult for Kerry to resist eloquently correcting him and thus being seen as a "goody goody" type? Aw shucks, he made good ole Bushie look bad... ? Gore rolled his eyes and that was the big story. He sighed, Heaven Forbid! And yes, he won the election but it shouldn't have been that close.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

57. Are you saying Bush is a Log Cabin Republican?

[agincourt]

60. Bush is a great debater because,

he speaks in tongues. blaw wa shaw gaw nuuuukeaur terrrrerasts.

[TheWebHead]

64. Bush is a great debater

very articulate and knowledgeable of facts.. and when you're telling people this nonsense, practice making a stoney face so that you appear to look serious.