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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:05 PM
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Hell with the polls.. want to play a game and help me
I met a lady at the nursing home while visitng my Mom today. I had my No W shirt (W w/a circle /) through it and Democarticunderground.com on the back. Along with my Women for Kerry and Kerry/Edwards dog tags. And a Kerry/Teresa John/Elizbeth button pinned to my purse. So she asks me... 'Are you voting for Kerry????'. Duh, no I'm just wearing all this to support bush.

Anyway, first thing out of her mouth is' 'He's such a flip-flopper." :mad: So I hold my temper and start asking her what news program she watches. I'd be the farm it's Faux but she said 2 or 7 yeah, right. Ok, Proceed to ask her what she knows about who is in the bush White House. Nada... so I start on the obvious - Powell, son Michael, etc.

If I'm to convert her and I know I can because she is not a right winger she's just not informed about who's who. Who's related either by blood or previous administrations back to Reagan and Poppy bush.

I'm researching my files and googling some information for her - just enough to get her interested. The Saudi/Bush connections, Karl Rove, the re-treads in this administration, PNAC, etc.

Could you all help me out by continueing where I've started here. I'll have this done in time to give it to her tomorrow. And still have time to play on DU tonight. :evilgrin:

Secretary of Defense Colin Powell.
Former Head of Joint Chiefs of Staff for G. H.W. Bush

Son Michael Powell head of FCC under G.W. Bush

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R) Ky. Wife Elaine Chao - Sec. of Labor W. under GW Bush

USSC Justice Scalia

USSC Justice Thomas

USSC Rhenquist

Scooter Libby

Armistage

Wolfowitz

Please add anyone you can think of like Ted Olson, Soliciter General Represented Bush in 2000 Recount. Wife Barbara Oslon wing nut (RIP)

I really appreciate this. Plan to make extra copies for others. And copies of Outfoxed, Bush's Brain, Unprecedented 2000, F.9/11, The Truth about Iraq. If that does at least trigger a few doubts then we're all screwed. :(

BTW. The best response I had to my accessories today was at Borders and Michael's. 3 Young employees at Michael's wanted to know where I got my dog tags and shirt. They love Kerry. Problem is one is only 17 and is so upset that she can't vote. She's working on registering her friends who are 18. I told her we'd sign up extra's for her. They were sharp. And an African America husband and wife who loved the shirt. The husband gave me the raised fist. I was on cloud nine. :bounce:

Sorry to impose on you guys but, I'm in a terrible crunch time.

:hugs:

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:08 PM
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1. Is she concerned about the Swift Boat Liars?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:14 PM
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3. Oh yeah... Thanks
:hugs:

I'm checking my old hard drive to print the same media smears and lies they did to Gore all documentated now since we were all pretty crazy in December. Plus Vincet Bugliosi's 'None Dare Call It Treason'. She believes in the court but, she doesn't believe it could possibley be 'corrupt' (gasp) But, she's a good person. She's really nice to my Mom.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:11 PM
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2. You are doing really great work
This is the way we are going to help put Kerry in the White House.

Not by worrying about what poll said what.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:17 PM
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4. When I get my articles and information together I will post all the links
here and anyone can use it.

I had to put myself where she is now. It was 2000 and I didn't know anything. But, thanks to people on Washington Post message board and then mercifully DU, Buzzflash, I got somewhat up to speed.

Now I've got to quit bs'ing and start digging. Love ya's!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:41 PM
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7. I will look for it
Thanks again!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:27 PM
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5. I'll be printing the entire articles and links and putting them
in a folder with an extra copy for myself. Just in case I need more. I hope, I hope.


The character assisnation of Gore in 2000. The repugs are consistant;

Consortium News
http://www.consortiumnews.com/020100a.html
February 1, 2000
Al Gore v. the Media By Robert Parry

To read the major newspapers and to watch the TV pundit shows, one can't avoid the impression that many in the national press corps have decided that Vice President Al Gore is unfit to be elected the next president of the United States.

Across the board -- from The Washington Post to The Washington Times, from The New York Times to the New York Post, from NBC's cable networks to the traveling campaign press corps -- journalists don't even bother to disguise their contempt for Gore anymore.

At one early Democratic debate, a gathering of about 300 reporters in a nearby press room hissed and hooted at Gore's answers. Meanwhile, every perceived Gore misstep, including his choice of clothing, is treated as a new excuse to put him on a psychiatrist's couch and find him wanting.

Journalists freely call him "delusional," "a liar" and "Zelig." Yet, to back up these sweeping denunciations, the media has relied on a series of endentious interpretations of his words, at times following scripts written by the national Republican leadership.
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USSC disgraces itself.

This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&s=bugliosi
None Dare Call It Treason by Vincent Bugliosi

from the February 5, 2001 issue]
In the December 12 ruling by the US Supreme Court handing the election to George Bush, the Court committed the unpardonable sin of being a knowing surrogate for the Republican Party instead of being an impartial arbiter of the law. If you doubt this, try to imagine Al Gore's and George Bush's roles being reversed and ask yourself if you can conceive of Justice Antonin Scalia and his four conservative brethren issuing an emergency order on December 9 stopping the counting of ballots (at a time when Gore's lead had shrunk to 154 votes) on the grounds that if it continued, Gore could suffer "irreparable harm," and then subsequently, on December 12, bequeathing the election to Gore on equal protection grounds. If you can, then I suppose you can also imagine seeing a man jumping away from his own shadow, Frenchmen no longer drinking wine.

From the beginning, Bush desperately sought, as it were, to prevent the opening of the door, the looking into the box--unmistakable signs that he feared the truth. In a nation that prides itself on openness, instead of the Supreme Court doing everything within its power to find a legal way to open the door and box, they did the precise opposite in grasping, stretching and searching mightily for a way, any way at all, to aid their choice for President, Bush, in the suppression of the truth, finally settling, in their judicial coup d'état, on the untenable argument that there was a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause--the Court asserting that because of the various standards of determining the voter's intent in the Florida counties, voters were treated unequally, since a vote disqualified in one county (the so-called undervotes, which the voting machines did not pick up) may have been counted in another county, and vice versa. Accordingly, the Court reversed the Florida Supreme Court's order that the undervotes be counted, effectively delivering the presidency to Bush.

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Miami - Dade Thugs who rioted.

http://home.att.net/~oswegocodems/Preswatch.htm

Blacks, Holocaust victims, college students and other Democratic-minded Americans were intentionally excluded from the voting process, Jackson said, by a right-wing conspiracy that engineered delays and fraudulent vote counts.

``What we have is a coup d'etat led by the U.S. Supreme Court,'' Jesse Jackson said at a press conference. ``The civil rights struggle for votes to count will continue,'' he added.

Remember the thugs who rioted in the Miami-Dade elections office and stopped the manual recount of 10,000 undervotes?
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IN THESE TIMES
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Bought and Paid For
Who’s behind the president’s fundraising machine—and what they expect in return
By Craig Aaron March 26, 2004

It’s official: President Bush’s re-election campaign is underway.

For those who haven’t been paying attention—and Bush, Cheney and their corporate cronies certainly hope you haven’t—the president officially launched his campaign at a March 20 “kickoff” rally in Orlando. “I’m looking forward to this campaign ahead,” Bush told the assembled party faithful between chants of “Four more years!” and “USA! USA!” “With you at my side, there is no doubt in my mind we’re headed to a victory.”

Bush may claim the “political season” is just beginning, but he has spent the past nine months crisscrossing the country on a dash for cash, personally headlining 45 million-dollar fundraising events on the way to amassing an unprecedented $170 million campaign war chest. Awestruck by the sheer amount of cash on hand, the media sometimes mistake Bush’s piles of money for popularity. Venality is more like it. Bush has turned the election into an auction, an invitation-only opportunity for Corporate America to prove its loyalty to the president.

The engine in Bush’s money machine has been an elite regiment of 455 “Rangers” and “Pioneers,” the honorary titles bestowed on fundraisers who can collect at least $200,000 or $100,000, respectively. Legally, each of these individuals is limited to a maximum donation of $2,000. But the Bush campaign has perfected a sophisticated system of bundling—by which corporate executives, lobbyists or other insiders pool a large number of contributions to maximize their political influence. The Rangers and Pioneers have collected at least $64.2 million so far.

In return, these worthies have received access to the administration, relaxed regulations, legislative favors, targeted tax breaks, lucrative federal contracts, and plum appointments at home and abroad. But some hold more of a stake in Bush’s re-election than others: The 10 industries profiled on the following pages have been among the most generous supporters of the president—and they stand to reap the greatest rewards if Dubya prevails in November.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1649-2004Jan8.html
washingtonpost.com
The Ruling Class
A family saga of secrecy, oil money and privilege.
Review by Jonathan Yardley Sunday, January 11, 2004; Page

AMERICAN DYNASTY:
Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

By Kevin Phillips
In this angry, devastating examination of "the House of Bush," Kevin Phillips asks the question that seems to have occurred to no one else: How did these people get so entitled? How is it that a family in no way distinguished by genuine accomplishment, moral and/or political conviction or exceptional intelligence has managed to lay claim as a matter of right to the American presidency, and how is it -- this is the real puzzler -- that the American people seem to have acquiesced in this presumption? How did we manage to put ourselves in the hands of a family that clearly believes it has dynastic stature, with all the privileges and entitlements attendant thereto, and behaves accordingly?

Phillips, an experienced political strategist and former White House aide, is correct to say that what he calls the Bush "restoration" -- the election to the White House in 2000 of George W. Bush, only eight years after the public's emphatic repudiation of his father, George H.W. Bush -- is unprecedented in American history. The two Adams presidents were elected a quarter-century apart and represented different parties, the two Roosevelts were separated by two decades and came from different branches of the family, and any Kennedy dynastic aspirations were thwarted by bizarre twists of fate. Yet even though the first Bush presidency was by any reasonable standard a failure, the inner leadership of the Republican Party felt so beholden to the first George Bush that it anointed his callow son and namesake almost upon the moment he won the governorship of Texas and, hand in glove with the big-money interests to which the Bushes have always cozied up, effectively closed the 2000 nominating process to anyone else.
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George W Bush is a CROOK!

A Pocket History of the Bush Organized Crime Family Crime Line

Hitler’s “Angel” — Prescott Bush and his Wall Street cronies helped finance and arm the Third Reich. Some continued trading with the enemy even after Germany declared war on America. No wonder the BFEE counts the NAZIs as their special friends today.

Bay of Pigs — Bush the Oilman and his Cuban and Mafia friends raise hell in Miami, New Orleans and Houston. Nice fellahs. LBJ called their organization "A regular Murder Inc in the Caribbean."

22 November 1963, Dallas — George DeMohrenschildt the “White Russian geologist” is friends with both Lee Harvey Oswald and George Herbert Walker Bush. Small world, as the coincidences get bigger. Almost 40 years later, FBI memos surface that detail how George Herbert Walker Bush fingered a young conservative the day of the assassination and "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" cleared the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami days later.

Vietnam — OK for poor kids to fight an illegal war started over the phony Gulf of Tonkin Incident, just as long as "W," the drunken coke-whore dim son, “destined” to become preznit some day, or the rest of his rich frat brothers don't have to go. Meanwhile Poppy’s rich friends became very, very, very rich.

Watergate — Nixon was willing to throw anyone and everyone to the wolves — except George Herbert Walker Bush and “The Texans” because “They’ll do anything for our side.” Gee. Would “murder” qualify as “anything.” Think so, especially seeing how Nixon got the ziggy and Bush ended up in the clear.

October Surprise — Carter probably would’ve beat Reagan, but Bush and his buddies in INTEL and the military-industrial complex cut a deal with the Ayatollah to hold the hostages clear through the election. On inauguration day, they got to leave Tehran.

Reagan survives assassination attempt —Just a couple of months after Reagan is sworn in, Reagan is ALMOST taken out and Bush stood ready to take charge. His son Neil was ready to have dinner that night with John Hinckley’s brother, Scott. Odd how these “One Degree of Separation” coincidences always happen to Poppy.

INSLAW/Promis — The turd Ed Meese and cronies stole software that enabled the Justice Department to track criminal prosecutions, had their INTEL buddies add a trap door, and then sold it around the world, making it possible to track what every BFEE-connected dictator or friend from Saddam to d’Aubission.

Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms — Just how do you think Iraq managed to run its war against Iran for all those years? Saddam had to be getting juice from somebody, so they found a low-level banker in Miami to take the fall. US taxpayers floated Saddam $5 billion in loans.

BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community — The terrorists’ favorite bank, used by among others Abu Nidhal, Osama bin Laden, Ollie North, CIA, SIS and KGB. The Reagan and Bush administrations and friends on both sides of the aisle in Congress did all they could to keep it open. John Kerry got it shut down.

Savings & Loan Scandal — Legalized robbery in the form of “loans” made to the politically connected, Mafia and INTEL-huggers. Odd how even Neil Bush, who made millions while Silverado, the S&L he helped direct, lost billions in bad loans to Bush cronies, never spent a day in jail. Kid from Detroit steals a pair of shoes from the mall and it’s OK to shoot him dead. Meanwhile, after the bailout “fixes” everything, Poppy’s very, very, very rich friends become ultra-rich.

Iran-Contra — Neo-con Michael Ledeen, Munacher Ghorbanifar and Adnan Khashoggi bend over backward to sell arms the Ayatollah and use the profits to arm the terrorist Contras. Most of the players should be in prison, but, thanks to Poppy’s pardon, remain free to roam the streets, let alone corridors of power, and continue the terror.

Arbusto, HARKEN, Spectrum-7, Aloha — Every company the crazy monkey’s ever touched, he’s run into the ground. Yet Poppy's family and friends, including James R Bath, the bin Mahfouz and bin Ladens, always help him out. No wonder the dim bulb went off thinking of ENRON, Kenny Boy and all the possibilities.

Gulf War I — Poppy Bush gives April Glaspie the signal to greenlight Saddam’s “border dispute” and push into Kuwait. No wonder Saddam felt betrayed when Cheney ordered the extermination of tens of thousands of fleeing Iraqi conscripts heading north on the “Highway of Death.” Meanwhile, Poppy’s ultra-rich friends become ultra-ultra-ultra rich.

Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution — After fixing things up so that 70,000 likely Democratic votes and voters are turned away or disenfranchised, the 2000 Florida Presidential “election” results in a “tie.” Associate Justice Antonin Scalia gets the idea that maybe the GOP-packed Supreme Court should grant petitioner George W Bush’s request for taking the Oval Office, anyway. Someone on DU wrote: “You don’t steal elections to do good things.” Prophetic words, those.

ENRON Energy Policy — Sneering Dick Cheney meets with Kenny Boy Lay to discuss ways of helping ENRON rip-off California and the rest of America. There were others there, like Chevron and EXXON, because they need oil, too. Besides, the ultra-, ultra-, ultra-rich can never have enough.

9-11 — After ignoring the warnings of outgoing President Bill Clinton, former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, anti-Terror Chief Richard Clarke, and Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, George W Bush ignores a report titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.” A month later, 3,000 innocent people are murdered. Two ways of looking at this one: 1.) Criminal Negligence, at best; 2.) Treason, most likely.

Gulf War II — George W Bush, Sneer, and most of “the bureaucracy” make a case for going to war in Iraq, stating there are clear-cut connections between 9-11 and Saddam Hussein, who planned to use his arsenal of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons on America. (So far, the only bioweapon used on America was Anthrax that came from a US Army lab grown from a batch of the University of Iowa Strain.) Anwyay, it’s not really odd to see how attacking Iraq was the Administration’s number 1 priority, according to former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill and anti-Terror Chief Richard Clarke, from January 2001. The reason? There’s money to be made there and power to be gained at home.
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Kerry Wins Backing from Nobel Economics Laureates
Wed Aug 25, 8:31 AM ET

By Michael Conlon

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - John Kerry (news - web sites) won the endorsement of 10 Nobel Prize-winning economists on Wednesday as he attacked President Bush (news - web sites) for policies that he said have led to the creation of only low-paying jobs. The Democratic presidential nominee released a letter from the economists saying the Bush administration had "embarked on a reckless and extreme course that endangers the long-term economic health of our nation."

They cited "poorly designed" tax cuts that instead of creating jobs have turned budget surpluses into enormous budget deficits, a "fiscal irresponsibility threatens the long-term economic security and prosperity of our nation."

The endorsement, in the form of an open letter American voters, was signed by George Akerlof and Daniel McFadden of the University of California at Berkeley, Kenneth Arrow and William Sharpe of Stanford University, Daniel Kahneman of Princeton University, Lawrence Klein of the University of Pennsylvania, Douglass North of Washington University, Paul Samuelson and Robert Solow of MIT and Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University.

Kerry, in remarks prepared for an appearance in Philadelphia, called for "jobs that don't just let you survive but let you get ahead. Jobs that let you pay your bills, send your kids to college, buy a house, save a little for retirement and go out to dinner or a movie every once in a while."
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TAX CODE
by JOHN CASSIDY
Tax cuts were just the beginning: the President is signalling a far more radical agenda.
Issue of 2004-09-06
Posted 2004-08-30
A few weeks ago, George W. Bush crossed the Potomac to a community college in Annandale, Virginia, where he hosted an “Ask President Bush” town-hall-style meeting and took up a favorite campaign theme, saying that one of the things that separated him from his opponent was his intention to create a “culture of ownership.” The same day, the Bush-Cheney campaign released a new television ad that shows pictures of houses, workers, and businesses as the President announces, “One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health-care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.”

The President’s ownership initiative hasn’t featured prominently in the media coverage of the campaign, which, strictly from a news perspective, is understandable: he hasn’t announced many specific proposals to back up his talk. But in downplaying the Bush Administration’s economic agenda the media is missing one of the biggest domestic stories of the 2004 campaign. When the President pledges to create an “era of ownership,” he is not talking merely about encouraging people to buy their own homes and start small businesses. To conservative Republicans who understand his coded language, he is also talking about extending and expanding the tax cuts he introduced in his first term; he is talking about allowing wealthy Americans to shelter much of their income from the I.R.S.; about using the tax code to curtail the government’s role in health care and retirement saving; and, ultimately, about a vision that has entranced but eluded conservatives for decades: the abolition of the graduated income tax and its replacement with a levy that is simpler, flatter, and more favorable to rich people.

Work on achieving this ambitious program began with the tax cuts that Congress passed in 2001, 2002, and 2003, but the conservative economists who advise Bush and the right-wing institutes that support him have more in mind than consolidating their gains. Despite a gaping budget deficit, they are pressing the President to continue down a route that will reverse almost a century of American history. Since the personal income tax was introduced, in 1913, it has been based on two principles: the burden of taxation is distributed according to the ability to pay; and capital and labor carry their fair share. The Bush Administration appears set on undermining both of these principles.










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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:38 PM
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6. THE A/P just released where the Liars were sitting on the VA Panel
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 09:41 PM by vetwife
appointed by Bush..2 of them anyway.
Two Anti-Kerry Vets Tapped for VA Panel ...O'Neill has ties with Rove and was handpicked by Nixon to discredit Kerry. Too bad you can't download Bush debating himself that was on Comedy Central for her. HE has flip flopped more than any pair of sandals I have owned in 54 years.

By MATT KELLEY
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two former Vietnam prisoners of war who appear in ads attacking Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry were appointed by the Bush administration to a panel advising the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The former POWs in the ad, Kenneth Cordier and Paul Galanti, serve on the VA's 12-member Former POW Advisory Committee. VA Secretary Anthony Principi appointed Cordier in 2002 and Galanti in 2003.

Cordier said the VA panel has nothing to do with the Bush campaign or the anti-Kerry group. "It's totally apolitical, and we meet twice a year to bring to the secretary's attention problems from around the country in VA hospitals," he said.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:14 PM
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11. Oh thanks, forgot that one.
I guess I'm still in the 80's I'm better with a lot of paper around verses electronic files. :silly:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:46 PM
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8. Is it really a good idea to overload people with information?
Here's my one and only line about why I will not support *. "I cannot support keeping a politician in the highest office of the land who invaded a country before knowing all the facts, caused the deaths of young Americans charged with defending this country, and weakening our position throughout the world. If you believe he made a mistake, it's the kind of mistake that is so aggregious that he deserves to lose his job."
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:13 PM
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10. I agree
If she's not a right-winger, you don't have to convince her that BushCo is the Mafia. Just pick some issues and highlight the differences. They're so stark, the choice should be clear.

PNAC may be the truth, but it sounds like conspiracy theory to the uninitiated. Just educate her about the things that she ALREADY hears on the news.

When you try to tell her that there are all these "secrects" that only you know that the media won't tell her, she may just say "that's nice, dear" and tune you out.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:17 PM
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13. ok, I keep that in mind. easy does it... n/t
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:23 PM
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15. The one thing I remember now was that she went from Kerry
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 10:23 PM by madmax
and started on McGreevy our Governor. She's very upset about him. I asked her if it was because he came out and said he was gay and she said no. He's surrounded by a lot of crooks. x( None of that in the White House.

I had my Kerry/Teresa John/Elizbeth pic button on my purse and since I'm Portuguese I mentioned to her that Teresa is Portuguese and she was born in Mozambique. She asked me if she had 'black blood'. I said, nah, I think it's red like ours. :mad:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:17 PM
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12. Thanks, I'm not going to hit her with everything like a gangbuster.
She metioned Flip Flop as her first objection so I'm going to have 1 or 2 statement from Kerry about his plans. And 1 or 2 articles pointing out bush's failures. If she wants more or brings up something else I'll have some in mind. I need to read over much of this information myself.

I won't be pushy. I just got really excited ;)
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:28 PM
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17. Bush has the biggest flip-flop of all time
when he announced "Mission Accomplished." It's nothing of the sort.
1000 soldiers dead, 7000 seriously wounded, untold Iraqi's killed
since that announcement.

Maybe that would be an effective argument to the flip-flop?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:38 PM
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18. I don't think she even realizes how many people died in Iraq
Both our military and Iraqi civilians. I'm just going to use the what you just posted and your last post and then play it by ear.

Do you or does anyone know where I can find all the connects of spouses and children in this administration that have govenment jobs. This is just something I'm very curious about.

Yesterday I got a shot of Cortisone for Rhuematoid Arthritis and found out I have high b.p. so new drug for that. I take 8 various meds a day. Today, I felt really weired. Working on this calmed me down, LOL. Can't ya tell :silly:

You lil EvilDU'ers are just the best. :grouphug:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:28 PM
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16. I should keep it simple..
I now have a lot of bedtime refresher material. I'll try your approach and if she has questions about anything specific I'll give her just that at the time.

I need to get my talking points down - if I don't use a lot of this for her it's been good for me. I'm slowing down in my old age, LOL.

To tell you the truth I love the young kids. They are sharp, they ask good questions and they aren't as easy to fool as the older people I meet. These kids don't trust their government. I love them.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:54 PM
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9. Excellent article on Cheney and Rumsfeld's ties
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 09:55 PM by neen
and how despicable Cheney is.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6450422


Hope that's the kind of thing you're looking for.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:19 PM
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14. Thanks that's a keeper for me, lol. n/t
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