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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:03 PM
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Poll analysis from the Kerry camp...
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 09:23 PM by mzmolly
Remember this memo dated 8/24 ??

It gives me some comfort reading this. Thanks to the DU-ers who dug this up for me.

To: The Kerry-Edwards Campaign

From: Mark Mellman, Senior Strategist

Re: Where Bush-Cheney Needs To Be

Date: August 24, 2004

As a senior strategist for John Kerry, I have prepared this update for the campaign's most active supporters as we enter the crucial weeks ahead. It's clear that your support has put this campaign in such a strong position as we enter a critical period. Your hard work, activism, and contributions have allowed our campaign to match the Bush campaign on the airwaves and on the ground. I can report that all you've done is now paying off when it counts the most.

By any standard, President Bush heads into his convention in a very weak position. His current position stems from the fact that voters judge the incumbent on his performance and on the state of the nation. By this measure, the president is in grave difficulty. To be counted a success, the Republican convention must fundamentally alter public attitudes on President Bush's stewardship of the country.

There are some basic benchmarks by which an incumbent's success can be measured as the campaign heads into the fall:

The average winning incumbent has had a job approval rating of 60%. Indeed, every incumbent who has won reelection has had his job approval in the mid-50's or higher at this point. In recent polling, Bush's average approval rating has been 48%. President Bush must emerge from his convention having dramatically altered public perception of his performance in office.

In recent years, when incumbents have gone on to victory, 52% of voters, on average, said the country was on the right track. Now, just 37% think things are moving in the right direction. Thus, President Bush must convince the electorate that the nation is in much better shape than voters now believe to be the case.
Every incumbent who has gone on to be reelected has had a double-digit lead at this point.

Following their conventions, the average elected incumbent has held a 16-point lead, while winning incumbents have led by an average of 27 points. Bush will need a very substantial bounce to reach the mark set by his successful predecessors. Incumbents have enjoyed an average bounce in the vote margin of 8 points.

On average, incumbents' share of the two-party vote has declined by 4 points between their convention and Election Day.

President Bush has the opportunity to achieve an average, or even greater, bounce from his convention. Typically, elected incumbents go into their conventions with a 9-point lead, while incumbents who have gone on to win enter their conventions with a 21-point lead. Most current polls show the race quite close. This gives the president substantial room to bounce. By contrast, Senator Kerry entered his convention in a far stronger position than the average challenger. The average challenger goes into his convention 16 points behind, while Senator Kerry entered his convention with a 1-2 point lead. This gave Senator Kerry much less room to bounce.

However, as the data above makes clear, average is not enough for President Bush. Incumbents who went on to win reelection had an average lead of 27 points after their convention. Indeed, the average elected incumbent -- winners and losers -- had a lead of 16 points after their conventions. An average bounce would still leave Bush well below the historical mark set by other incumbents, particularly those who went on to victory.

Perhaps most important, the average elected incumbent experienced a 4-point drop in his share of the two-party vote from the post-convention polling to Election Day. Thus, to beat the odds, President Bush will need to be garnering 55% of the two-party vote after his convention. Anything less than that and the president will remain in grave political danger.


So, I guess we should hope he remains at less then 55%? :shrug:

Perhaps I shouldn't freak just yet ey? :crazy:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:24 PM
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1. .
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:29 PM
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2. Thanks for the good news
I needed it after the past couple of days. They're right; * is in a terrible position for an incumbent. Of course you won't hear this analysis on the corporate media unless our side starts screaming it from the rooftops! What in the * is wrong with them? Oh, I forgot...your positive post made me see the bright side again. :) It was touch and go there for a moment!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:50 PM
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4. I just hope that the polls remain less then 55% for *
through next week. ;)
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:57 PM
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5. I think they will. Kerry and camp are on the attack now and the new
ads are coming out in the swing states. I think they will make a difference.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:29 PM
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3. Good analysis.
Good perspective. Thanks.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:58 PM
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6. thanks for that!
:) Also, remember that the pollsters, for some reason appear to be giving the registered "independents" equal weight with Democrats and Republicans in the polls, though they almost always skew right. They are the leftover Ross Perot-ites.. not liberal in any sense of the word.. AND they do not make up 1/3 of the voters in the real world.

I'm not worried about polls. I'm worried about the truth getting out.. I'm worried about the media giving Bush a free pass because they have to serve their corporate master, before their inherent objectivity... (though I'm seeing a bit more objective reporting about Bush this time in the papers). I"m worried that some people actually think Fox News is real.
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canuckybee Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:59 PM
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7. Just what was needed. Thanks !
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:00 PM
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8. A very convincing argument. n/t
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:00 PM
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9. thanks so much for posting this
my head feels like it's gonna explode these days :crazy:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 10:54 PM
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10. Shur! Please keep it kicked.
:kick:
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:07 PM
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11. I needed this...
THANKS!!!


Kerry/Edwards 2004
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:12 PM
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12. It's a very convincing argument...
and I wish they'd tell us which poll they trust.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:16 PM
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13. You missed the new rules: NO BEING POSITIVE
DU is soon going to be renamed Doom Underground.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:38 PM
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14. SLAP! (Thanks, I needed that.)
Although I'm not in a doomsday mode, this is a difficult time for us all, during Bush's bounce period. So, thanks. I needed a lift. And that certainly was a great one. I can relax now. :smoke:
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:40 PM
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15. Very reassuring stuff
Not that I was that worried to begin with.
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sandraj Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:57 PM
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16. "President Bush heads into his convention in a very weak position...
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 11:59 PM by sandraj
...His current position stems from the fact that voters judge the incumbent on his performance and on the state of the nation. By this measure, the president is in grave difficulty. To be counted a success, the Republican convention must fundamentally alter public attitudes on President Bush's stewardship of the country."

Something occurred to me while reading this. Bush would probably be in negative poll number territory right now, after 3+ long years, if it hadn't been for 9/11. The image and perception of Bush as a strong leader have been carefully crafted and are difficult to meet head on.

The GOP spent their entire convention last week trumpeting 9/11 and terror because they have nothing of substance to run on.

So, what if there were some way to remove the terror issue from the equation long enough to get people to stop and think? For example, if there had been no 9/11, how would people feel about Bush based on his record alone, especially his domestic agenda?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:07 PM
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17. .
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:45 PM
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18. The good news is...
there is no way the Chimperor will get a real 55% level. Maybe Fox or Gallup will cook him up one, but that's about it. A pretty solid 47% of the electorate want Bush* gone. That means Bush* can get 53% tops, and doing that would be almost impossible.

The bad news is that all the analysis about past incumbents, while entertaining and heartening, is pretty useless. The sample size is too small to make any solid or even semi-confident predictions.

Also, Nader again introduces the real possibility that Bush* could win the electoral college vote, while losing the popular vote. Bush* could concievably win with 48%. I think Bush has got a lock on 44%. Kerry has to keep him below 48%--that's the election.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:38 PM
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19. Wow ... Thanks again to Mr. Nader.
:(
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