Greg Palast & RFK Jnr. - Rolling Stone Investigation: It’s Already Stolen

[althecat]

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/

From: http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=779 & http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00265.htm

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ROLLING STONE: IT'S ALREADY STOLEN

Investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast released today

Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging” ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.

There's more:

- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."

Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.

The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.

"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis Democrats."

The investigators level a deadly serious charge:

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via [e-mail].

Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone investigative report what they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org

For updates and video reports, go to www.rollingstone.com/issue1064|RollingStone.com, www.GregPalast.com and StealBackYourVote.org.

From: http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=779 & http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0810/S00265.htm

[CountAllVotes]

1. This is why everyone must vote!!!

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

:kick:

[global1]

2. I Posted This Before - But Monies Need To Be Spent On Public Service Ads.....

that tell people to check now before November 4th if they are registered or purged. They need to do this pro-actively so that they won't be left in a lurch on Nov. 4th.

All networks should also have public service announcements stating the same.

This is probably the most important election of our lifetime and it shouldn't be tampered with - by either party.

This is the patriotic thing to do - to get the word out to people to verify their status before Nov. 4th.

[althecat]

7. We are running public service ads to do this for free on Scoop Independent News...

We have run 226k so already in 10 days. Public service ads is what Greg Palast and RFK's campaign is all about. Clearly if we want to get the word out about this stuff we have to do it ourselves. Below are two ads that they have had made..... publci service ads on TV .... now that would really cut through on this stuff!

[althecat]

9. .. if you are interested Details about our public service advertising campaign can be seen here

Global1

If you are interested I have posted some details about how our public service advertising campaign is going here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4256823

regards
Alastair Thompson
Co-Editor Scoop.co.nz
(Althecat on DU)

[snappyturtle]

3. Off to the Greatest! Everyone needs to read this! This is horrible news! nt

[Hekate]

4. Oh shit. I have to stop reading for awhile. -- KnR

:kick:

[d_b]

5. well that sucks. no need to vote then.

[glitch]

12. Very binary, think again, please. nt

[d_b]

16. binary nothin

it's an inflammatory, bullshit headline.

[Political Heretic]

69. Try fucking reading for once before commenting.

It *IS* already stolen.

And the SOLUTION to that is to STEAL IT BACK!

[althecat]

71. I like the cut of your jib....

Direct and with cojones.

[pnwmom]

54. No. That means we need a MASSIVE turnout. There's every reason to vote. n/t

[Whalestoe]

6. If it's already stolen--why vote?

[glitch]

10. To catch them at it.

You can't put someone in prison for not having to steal an election.

Make them steal it and make their theft obvious enough to prosecute: LANDSLIDE!

Tell your friends.

[OnTheOtherHand]

17. actually, the title of the article is "Block the Vote"

I can only speculate that Kennedy and Palast want to refer to it as "It's Already Stolen" in order to promote their comic book, "Steal Back Your Vote."

Interestingly, the comic book appears to be available upon a donation of at least $1. But maybe there's a way around that.

[althecat]

24. The comic is fantastic.... definitely worth $1

[althecat]

29. Have you managed to steal yourself a copy of Greg Palast's comic yet?

I think I paid $10 for mine.

[foo_bar]

40. you might be surprised to learn that you posted this at 2 in the morning here

I believe New Zealand is +17 hours from where I type. If this information is so freakin important to have in time for the election, why isn't it released into the public domain? "We have an outbreak of skepticism to deal with", can you try sounding less like a narc? You know, no bona fide tinfoil hatter would call this place "conspiracy central", that's like heresy, man. But then most new media ops have a handle on the written language:

Sorry Awsi please rephrase that in English.

(you are here) ("English" meaning "a run-on sentence bereft of punctuation to differentiate independent clauses.")

IN OTHER WORDS I AM AN IMPORTANT PERSON WRITING IMPORTANT PAPERS SO BELEIVE <as written, like your Frank Haden "quote"> WHAT I SAY. <..>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x474094#474285 (the i-before-e rule: fact or fiction?)

Sorry to kill-steal, OTOH, but the early bird and all that.

[althecat]

41. Get a grip of yourself Foobar.

You are starting to speak in riddles, it seems you ar suffering from the same malady as Awsi Dooger.

As for OTOH... he is the one who suggested stealing the Palast comic. I don't know why he and you don't simply buy one.

On the skepticism front you will see i have created a whole new thread on the subject. I encourage you to participate.

[foo_bar]

42. get a preposition among yourself

That might help with your shindig on behalf of "Public Relations agencies, Government Agencies, Foreign Government Missions, Energy Companies" (source).

[OnTheOtherHand]

51. ah, me

"We have an outbreak of skepticism to deal with." It's just too funny. Oh noes! Critical thinking in Zone 3!

[foo_bar]

56. awoooga! abandon ship!

Man, I'm agreeing with autorank, the end must be in sight.

Internet researcher anaxarchos made the point in blunt terms in a communication to the author:

“It is not enough to steal votes. You need a place to stuff them. You can sell cocaine but in the end you have to explain how your Starbucks franchise brings in $80 million per year. There will be widespread fraud and caging and suppression but, as of today, I see no possible place to stuff it. It was hard enough in 2004 and that was ‘close’.”

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=722

Starbucks might be a bad example (cartel serving repeat customers of Colombia-grown) but blunt times call for delicate communiqués. Paging Altehcat to the white courtesy phone, we're having random outbursts of hope.

[OnTheOtherHand]

57. no need to panic about the hope

Judging from the primaries, it is very likely that the exit polls will be wrong again, so the usual suspects probably will get to wring their hands about election fraud regardless of the outcome of the election. It's not a bad deal.

(As you know, I'm not dismissing the possibility of election fraud. I just resent all the false alarms.)

[OnTheOtherHand]

50. I paid my buck and shared the PDF

Being assimilated into Palast's personal fundraising operation was not really a priority for me, but I wanted to see what he was saying.

Some folks over at Daily Kos are ticked at Palast because they have first-hand information about the registration rolls in New Mexico and Colorado, and they know he is misrepresenting the registration purges in those states. (I don't remember whether those particular misrepresentations show up in the comic book.) Not to be confused with the purge efforts in Michigan and Montana that fell afoul of court scrutiny (or the Ohio Republicans' demands that just got blocked by the U.S. Supreme Court).

I like investigative reporters who try to distinguish facts from hype. That isn't really Palast's gig. I don't know why.

ETA: By the way, I don't mean that I reposted the comic. Palast has a right to make money this way, however ethically suspect some of us might find it. I did share it with a few people who wanted to see it but would never have given Palast the buck.

[althecat]

8. more greg palast on USACOUP

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?tag=greg-palast

[GrizzlyMan]

11. Is Justin Timberlake on the cover this week or is it Jonas Brothers?

[WinkyDink]

32. What would be your point? That you're ignorant of RollingStone's investigative reporting?

[GrizzlyMan]

36. Oh please

Rolling Stone's rep has been going downhill ever since they put New Kids on the Block on the cover 18 years ago. I enjoyed the McCain piece earlier this month, but outside of that, I don't put a lot of credence into what they do on the whole. Sorry.

But really it's not Rolling Stone that is the issue. It's the breatheless voter fraud threads each and every day. We know there's fraud. We know people are being purged. But unfortunately there's not a whole helluva lot anyone can do about it at this point in the game. I'm not sure what purpose it serves to demoralize democratic voters by selling them on the idea that their participation in this election isn't going to count. Because near as I can tell, those who talk the most about this don't seem to offer a lot in the way of solutions beyond hysterics.

[OnTheOtherHand]

52. Obama is on the cover, actually

I showed one of my classes the cover of Rolling Stone when Kennedy's story on Ohio ran. They laughed pretty hard. But Obama looks just fine. (Nick Jonas does make the cover, but only in text.)

(Edited for clarity)

[GoneOffShore]

13. K&R

And voting!

[tritsofme]

14. I think a lot of the vote fraud nutters are going to be a little upset when Obama sweeps to victory.

What will they whine about?

How can they get back in the role of victim, where they feel at home?

[althecat]

15. "vote fraud nutters"

:wtf:

I am lost for words. Somewhat uncharacteristically....

[Awsi Dooger]

22. Same vehicle as 2006

Exit polls hint we should have won by more. They stole it, just not good enough, kind of like the QB who wanted to throw interceptions to fix the game, but the jackass coach pulled him from the game with a 30 point lead, ruining the fix.

All it takes is one race. They've got hundreds. Plus any state or county or district or precinct.

vote fraud nutters :rofl:

That needs to stick, shortened to 'nutters when needed.

[althecat]

23. Sorry Awsi please rephrase that in English.

You mean to say what precisely?

[billyoc]

44. They'll go back to 911 nuttery.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

18. k r

[AnotherMother4Peace]

19. k r

[genna]

20. Alarmist? How about this... Rolling Stone records Republican attempts to STEAL THE ELECTION.

If it is already stolen, the cynical will say HOPE, SMOPE. We can't win for losing.


If we understand the tricks and the tactics, we can counteract them. Saying it is already over just jumps the shark.


This is true of Washington state and a few others. The better statement is what actions is the DNC and the Obama campaign taking to counteract what we already have seen in the Republican party?

[althecat]

26. "Saying it is already over just jumps the shark"

Genna,

Well said. It is alarming. I hope you are alarmed.

This is a warning.

It is one which is being delivered as clearly as it possibly can by two of the smartest people in the room and one of the best magazines in the world.

Somewhat shrilly perhaps - but it needs to be. And hopefully THIS TIME the election integrity movement has finally got the ear of the US Public. Because this is a message that needs to be heard.

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT ELECTION STEALING IS NOT AN ISSUE THIS ELECTION BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL IS CERTAIN TO OVERCOME ANY THEFT EFFORT IS A FOOL

THIS MESSAGE IS LOUD BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE LOUD
MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN YELLING FOR YEARS
AT LEAST 4 ELECTIONS 2000-2002-2004HAVE ALREADY BEEN STOLEN
STEALING ELECTIONS IS NOT DIFFICULT IT HAS HAPPENED

Even leaving aside electronic vote fraud the last 2 presidential elections were stolen by Secretaries of States and corrupt disgraceful courts and partisan officials.

..... and still we have the reaction of several former posters above. Several of them are actually known disrupters. They do not usually emerge into the light of this forum however.

And then there is electronic democracy. THERE IS NO WAY TO VERIFY A US ELECTION..... IPSO FACTO THE US IS NOT A DEMOCRACY?

Probably

The 2000 Election was hacked electronically...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm - Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud

The machines used to count the 2002 election were completely hackable - both the optical scans and the touchscreens - see the movie
http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

See also reams of research.... moch of which was conducted here at DU.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00064.htm - Bigger Than Watergate (by me)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm - Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x469106

The 2004 Election was hacked
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm - 47 State Exit Poll Analysis Confirms Swing Anomaly
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00164.htm - Bigger Than Watergate II (George On The Block & The White Ghosts Of NYC)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00165.htm - Election 2004: The Urban Legend

The primaries were hacked
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00182.htm - CLINTON BEATS EXIT POLLS BY WIDE MARGIN IN EVERY STATE - The Democratic Primaries 2008:

The Media and Exit Pollsters are preparing to lie to you...
http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=664

" YORK - Barack Obama’s tendency through the Democratic primaries to perform better in exit polls than he actually does at the ballot box has some media organizations nervous heading into Election Night.

Television networks want to avoid having their performance become an issue for the third straight presidential election. Their political experts hope that experience gained during the primaries will help things run smoothly Nov. 4.

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and The Associated Press pool resources to conduct exit polls in select precincts, hoping to glean information about why people vote the way they do and to help predict a winner or loser. A combination of actual vote counts and exit polls is generally used to “call” a state for one candidate or another.

Exit polls frequently overstated Obama’s vote during the primaries by as much as 3 percentage points."

Yes it is alarming.

Very.

[OnTheOtherHand]

53. "one of the best magazines in the world"

One shudders to think that that might be true. Naw. It has run some good stuff over the years.

Kennedy probably should have jumped the shark with me when he wrote that screed on autism -- which ran in the same magazine. Didn't happen, because I never read it.

So, it happened when I read about a mythical 7:54 pm briefing in which the exit pollsters supposedly told the networks that Kerry had an insurmountable lead. Source: a table of Steve Freeman's own exit poll extrapolations. I have no effin' clue where the 7:54 briefing shtick came from. But the exit pollsters' own report that they warned the networks in the afternoon that they didn't believe their own numbers is contemporaneously corroborated by, of all sources, Wonkette.

Sort of thing an investigative reporter, and/or a decent fact-checking staff, might figure out. Just like one or the other might figure out that judicial candidates often do get more votes than presidential candidates in some counties. It ought to be embarrassing to quote Kucinich saying that that just doesn't happen. Yet no one is embarrassed. I don't get it.

This new article is shorter, at least. I wouldn't mind putting Kennedy and Palast under oath to find out what, if anything, they think they mean when they talk about "the elimination of nearly one of every six of voters." I'm happy to report that Colorado still has plenty of voters. Would it really hurt us to talk sense about voter purges?

[genna]

21. Alarmist? How about this... Rolling Stone records Republican attempts to STEAL THE ELECTION.

If it is already stolen, the cynical will say HOPE, SMOPE. We can't win for losing.


If we understand the tricks and the tactics, we can counteract them. Saying it is already over just jumps the shark.


This is true of Washington state and a few others. The better statement is what actions is the DNC and the Obama campaign taking to counteract what we already have seen in the Republican party?

[kswheels]

25. Put the tinfoil hat away

They didn't steal the election in 2004, they won't steal this one. Kerry lost because the Dems ran a piss poor campaign. The same could be said for Al Gore. The only reason they were able to steal it in 2000 is because the Dems let it be close enough to steal. Had they run a proper campaign, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

[althecat]

27. They stole 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006... and that was without machines....

Kswheels,

There is no tinfoil here.

2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 were all stolen... and that was without needing to hack the machines.

That was just through old fashioned jim crow vote suppression and disenfranchisement efforts. The numbers already tell us this is so.

So there is no tinfoil here.

I suggest you also see my answer in #26 above.

regards
al

[eowyn_of_rohan]

28. self-delete

[GrizzlyMan]

37. They didn't steal 2002 and 2006

We got bulldozed by the rampant post 9/11 nationalism in 2002. And as I recall 2006 was a good year. I know the guys I wanted to lose -- George Allen, Santorum, JD Hayworth, Jim Talent, Conrad Burns -- all went bye bye. We also took control of the Senate.

Please give up the defenseless victim mantra. It's not at all productive.

[althecat]

39. Respectfully you are incorrect.... references cited here...

In 2002 the senate was stolen.

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=15 - American Coup: Mid-Term Election Polls vs Actuals

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?m=200211 - & a compendium of November 2002 stories on the subject here

In 2006 the story was very similar the house and senate were won - just - but the victory was vastly smaller than it would have been in any normal election. And as has been seen since the presence of a bunch of blue dog democrats in the party has made the victory significantly less wholesome than a the rout that it ought to have been.

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=380 - "Ohio’s 2006 vote count now includes a higher percentage of uncounted ballots than in 2004, and a statistically impossible swing to the Republicans"

http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?m=200611 & another compendium of reading material and research

As your viewpoint is far from unusual around here I have posted a new post about the subject here.

A Response To All Those DUers Who Think That Election Fraud Is Not An Isssue In 2008

[GrizzlyMan]

45. So specifically which races were stolen?

The link on Ohio in 2006 says that Dems won 5 of 6 races? Which ones were stolen?

What about in 2002? Tell me again how a pro war hawk like Saxby Chambliss was going to lose in a state like GA in the warm post 9-11 neocon after glow?

As for your last link, I'm not a helpless victim. I've empowered myself by donating my time and my money. You should try it, it feels pretty good.

[OnTheOtherHand]

55. thanks for the company

Plowing through althecat's sorry links is almost enough to break my spirit.

Strickland's pollster.com average in the governor's race was 60% -- exactly matching his share reported in the link -- but the authors cherry-pick the Dispatch mail poll in order to argue that he should have won by more. Typically lame-ass. But there were some House seats in Ohio that were close enough for Democrats to be disappointed, at least. Nationwide, if you look at all the pre-election polls seat by seat, Democrats performed on par with those polls. (There's a thing called "Landslide Denied" that tries to argue otherwise, in part by ignoring the race-specific polls entirely.)

ETA: I don't think the Chambliss victory was a slam dunk, but I agree that it isn't a total shock either.

[JeanGrey]

30. WE WILL WIN ANYWAY!!!!!!

[althecat]

31. I really hope so. But I think people underestimate the scale of the problem.

Majorly....

[JeanGrey]

33. I think he is ahead in the states that count too much to be

denied. I know he'll lose my state, Georgia (at least I'm pretty sure) but with the SCOTUS ruling stopping the GOP from throwing out registrations in Ohio I think Ohio is in the bag and I don't think they can cheat with a high enough percentage. Not this time.

[althecat]

34. I wish it were that simple. And they definitely can cheat big time.

Plus given recent experience the odds of anyone catching them or holding them to account are minimal. Even here - conspiracy central - their is widespread derision for real discussion of election fraud.

[mtnester]

48. Not so fast

as an on the ground election protection volunteer, who also lives in the state, as much as that ruling was good, and that Jennifer Brunner is doing everything she can as SOS, the local board of elections are also doing their own thing under the horrid excuse that since Jennifer Brunner will NOT allow people to take the voting machines home overnight (yes, that happened) they will not be able to get the machines out to ever location in time, so they are "consolidating" voting locations.

In my county alone, 25 voting locations have been done away with, and even my OWN busy polling locations, which has been the same for decades, is being consolidated over to one of the largest on the area which already has lines that tend to be long, and crap for parking. This county also conveniently "forgot" to include the prepaid postage on the request for absentee ballot forms...the ones that SAY place your request in the prepaid envelope...and then tried to BLAME that on the Ohio SOS office when questioned about it, even though it was not the Ohio SOS office who does that mailing, it is the local county office. That went over like a lead balloon with them once I sent a fax copy of the note about postage and the lack thereof. The county had to go to the local post office and beg for then to watch for these requests and they would pay for them. Also, look for the amount of machines/voting stations to dwindle dramatically. My answer to the "we cannot take the machines home therefore cannot staff as many locations since we cannot take the machines home" is 'GET YOUR ASS UP AT 0300 AND MAKE IT HAPPEN YOU LAZY ASS FUCKERS! MY ASS WILL BE UP AND AT THE ELECTION PROTECTION PREP AREA BY 0400, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF MACHINES ON MY WAY THERE YOU SORRY EXCUSES FOR BOE OFFICIALS"

So, there will be long lines, trouble with voter ID, challenges, unexpected voter purging which slows things up as well....God HELP Ohio if it is cold or rainy (like it is SO many times on election day)...it will be 2004 all over again. (I was on the ground then too, last person in line at 7:30 FINALLY voted at about 1:00 in the AM...no kidding...the lines were like that all DAY.)

There will be scary protesters within eye and ear shot of any entrance location to traditionally Democratic leaning polling locations, as well as new locations they think will go Democratic. Consolidation of locations is happening in areas they think will trend Dem, and locations that have never seen lines like in 2004, so the shock may turn voters away.

2006 was a stumper for Repubs...they thought that Diebold and ES&S machines would be enough....it was not as the voters were more savvy after he 2000 and even MORE so the 2004 debacle. So, the last 2 years have been spent, by Repubs, retooling the method. And the method is suppression, deception and caging. It will be filled with diversionary tactics, and when that does not work, legal maneuvering. I fully expect to receive a restraining order before my day is out..or an attempt at one anyway.

Columbus Ohio (Franklin and Fairfield Counties) and Cleveland Ohio (Cuyahoga county and others) will suffer WORSE lines...and Jennifer Brunner knew that, thus early voting. But even with a huge number of early voters, it will not be enough to make election day better here. Just watch if you want, but what we really need is help that day. It is not too late to volunteer. The first election protection training session will be October 28....you all have time

If you are a lawyer, paralegal, or law student;
http://www.nationalcampaignforfairelections.org/page/s/vol08ep

For poll monitoring in North Carolina, Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, Michigan, or Louisiana, go to:
https://secure.pfaw.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=signup_election

and click on a partner...however, according to their higher ups, Ohio and PA are expected to need the most volunteers.

So, do we need people to come out in droves? Yes. DO we need boots on the ground to overcome the fully ORGANIZED voter suppression efforts...YES. Do I hope we get some type of federal standardization to make voting EASY in this country and STOP bully local county BOE's from "doing their own thing" which usually ends up suppressing voters...YES...but that will take a Dem super majority, and a Dem in the WH...so we have to get over this hurdle first.

[Kurovski]

61. My gratitude to you for your work, and this post, mtnester !

:thumbsup:

[JeanGrey]

67. I agree. But long lines never deter me. I've waited as long as

two hours to vote and even when I early voted this time it took an hour..............computer problems and lots of people there.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

35. I feel so depressed ...

[GrizzlyMan]

38. Not too worry

You are not a defensless victim. Your profile says you live in a swing state. Volunteer and vote. It's empowering.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

65. I've been doing all the above.

[autorank]

43. Great one - so who is right? Those two or me (and many others;)

Check http://usacoup.co.nz daily.

You know either he and Kennedy are right or I am (well me and everyone else predicting Obama's big win :rofl).

2008: The Difficulty Stealing it This Time
http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=722

After Obama's letter to Mukasey for the Special Prosecutor, I'm betting on Obama's side. That's a "notice letter" to Mukasey. It says, 'listen buddy, we know you're doing bad stuff and you now know that we know, so if you do it anymore, we're going to f you up in court.' Or something to that effect.

Beautiful move. I'm totally impressed. They know what the deal is.

[billyoc]

46. Palast, Kennedy, Malloy, et al are professional hand wringers. That's how they pay their rent.

What's your excuse?

[GrizzlyMan]

47. It's become a cottage industry

Who ever thought selling defeat to fellow Dems would be so profitable.

[barack the house]

49. You know we might panic too much sometimes. Good to be vigilant but we did win 06.>

I wouldn't call it already stolen just beware if they do in every avenue and we'll come out fine the other side. Not all election boards are open to fraud it appears to me. We just keep cool heads account all actions and notify lawyers if necessary but always follow Obama's example of keep a cool head while those around lose theirs.

Obama " My biggest weakness might be that I am a little too awesome.":)

[OneBlueSky]

58. the wider the margin, that harder it will be to steal . . .

not that they won't try, mind you . . . but if the margin is large enough, they'll really have to stretch to make it work . . . either they won't be able to pull it off, or they'll get caught with their code in the machine . . . either way, Obama should still win . . .

IF the margin is large enough . . .

so keep workin'! . . .

[althecat]

59. Good morning kick from Wellington....

Go the disruptors!

:yourock:

[Kurovski]

60. K&R. (nt)

[Kurovski]

62. Kick. (nt)

[althecat]

63. Good to see you Kurovski...

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[Kurovski]

64. And it is very good to see you, Alastair.

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[4dsc]

66. Its not stolen yet..

Too many red states going blue and even the republican party cannot change that little fact.. I thing they may have counted on Co being the swing state but not 14 other red states leaning to blue .

[althecat]

68. Lets hope so....

I know the entire planet will be disappointed if this one is stolen.

[Political Heretic]

70. There is not a single one of you who are angry about this post that can deny this fact:

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Why on earth people get angry or defensive about OPs like this is beyond me. After at least one (proven) if not two stolen elections, it is absurd not to consider ELECTION FRAUD to be the number one obstacle we face in winning. It certainly isn't John McCain.

So, one of the things we must do is spread the word, and get educated ourselves on what is going on where. You live in Colorado? Were you on the streets in protest when 200,000 voters were purged by the Republican SoS? Why not?

Get active, get out there and get ahead of their obvious attempts to subvert democracy!

[althecat]

72. Thats what I have been trying to say!

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[Kurovski]

73. Kick. (nt)