Voter Fraud - The Dog that Didn't Bark (and what YOU can do to stop the smears)

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Voter Fraud - The Dog that didn’t bark

Michael Collins

ACLU Blog of Rights

http://blog.aclu.org/2008/10/17/voter-fraud-the-dog-that-didnt-bark/ &



http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=780

"– though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.” (Author’s emphasis)"
Brennan Center for Justice

There are serious problems with elections in the United States: voter suppression; felon disenfranchisement; unsecured computerized voting on invisible ballots; vote counting conducted in secret; a billion dollars spent on campaigns; and few if any real issues discussed in a serious fashion. These and other manifest problems should be the focus, not a contrivance based on a fiction.

If you want to put this lies of voter fraud to bed, here's the link to the Brennan Center's OUTSTANDING AND CLEAR Fact Sheet on voter fraud.

Spread the information everywhere, particularly to local media - press, television, radio - and encourage friends to do the same.

:http://truthaboutfraud.org/documents/policy_brief_voter_fraud.html

Here is a PDF of the same material.
http://truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/Policy%20Brief%20on%20the%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf

LINKS:

ACLU - open blog, no registration for comments
http://blog.aclu.org/2008/10/17/voter-fraud-the-dog-that-didnt-bark/

USACOUP.Scoop.co.nz
http://usacoup.scoop.co.nz/?p=780

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1. Kick

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[truedelphi]

27. Wish I could K & R once for yr writing and devotion, and once again

For the Brennan Center links (I am guessing if our K & R system was run by Diebold - I probably could do that!)

[knowbody0]

2. wag that dog you Repuke losers!

good stuff here. will share. thanks

[autorank]

3. They're setting up a Senate challenge to electors, I'll bet

Of course, they'll lost so badly, it will look absurd but they've got a lot of 'splaining to do if
they lose.

Rep. Bachmann also really came through. What goofball she is.

[roguevalley]

10. check out this humorous post from over on the other side:

This is my take on what is happening now. If I am right, I think the first thing that has to be done to prevent rioting is to get Rush, FoxNews, Hannity, etc. to shine a bright light on these over-weighted polls. The fewer people surprised by Obama's upcoming defeat, the better.

If you agree with my assessment, start contacting all of the fair and balanced news outlets you can and get them to question the current poll weighting scandal.

They need to follow the some simple guidelines when they report on poll results, some of which are provided by DJ Drummond at Wizbangblog.com, posted here:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/05/the-sordid-business-of-opinion-polls.php

But most important of all, they need to grill the pollsters on the logic behind their polls' Party ID weighting. They need to ask the pollsters, Are you now adjusting the Democrat over-weighting back down because of all the fake ACORN registrations that are coming to light?


How can they vote if they don't exist? I am sure if Mickey and Minnie Mouse show up, they would have to have photo ID. Damn, these people are dumb.

another one:

This is going to be a rout for McCain. The MSM will not poll seniors like in 2000 and 2004 because they already know that since seniors favored Hillary over Obama by large margins, they will vote for McCain before Obama.

They are not polling single women nor are they are not polling blue collar whites. These are the moderates Obama needs to get over the top.

Using the Automatic 10 point rule (The RAT candidate always starts 10 points ahead in the polls), combined with the above information and you have McCain leading by anywhere from 5-15 points. Now add in the ACORN factor as well as the other negative Bambi ads and what you have is a rout.

Wonder why McCain isn’t fighting back? The quickest way for McCain to lose this election is for the racial card to be played. IMHO this is why he is staying on the outside tossing firecrackers rather then nukes. Each small attack keeps Obama on defense while each Obama attack makes Republicans stronger and makes Independents feel like the MSM has it out for McCain and Palin.

It’s a good strategy. The Conservatives are on board with Palin and McCain appeals to the Hillarycrats.

Stick a fork in Bambi. He is done.

[althecat]

13. This is a great post...

[FogerRox]

4. Crush their lies with the truth, MArk Crispin Miller was just in Moyers

Miller mentioned the Brennan Centers report. Something like 82 voter fraud cases in 4 years. I think the republic can survive the onslaught of voter fraud perpetrated upon our way of government.


Now go sign up to be a poll worker, so that all the work I do, & my friends do, working in Congressional campaigns actually counts for something.

[althecat]

5. Speaking of election fraud...

Could do with some reinforcement in this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7497055&mesg_id=7497055

We have an outbreak of skepticism to deal with.

[Me.]

6. This Is Such Encouraging News

And no wonder Obama wants a huge turnout, that's the way to bat the numbers.

[truedelphi]

8. Las Vegas now offers 83% odds of Obama beating McCain

And only because some McCain supporter has been throwing a small fortune into the pot to help McCain have those odds!!

[Me.]

18. I Saw That

Wow, willing to lose that much money over McShame. Casino money for their craps boy?

[althecat]

29. Las Vegas had Kerry Edwards to win in 2004

From recollection...

Then again so did the polls. And the exit polls.

:bounce:

[truedelphi]

43. There was also a really great article written like November 8 2004

In response to some Republican saying that "even God doesn't know who got how many votes in this election"

The author of the article was "God" and he said that He knew exactly how many votes that Kerry got, and exactly how many George W got, and that He also knew that the only reason that Kerry was not going to occupy the country's highest position was because of Republican thievery.

It was a great and hilarious article -but unfortunately the publication that posted it deleted it out of its archives.

[eridani]

7. Obama campaign strikes back

http://washingtonindependent.com/13548/breaking-obama-demands-special-prosecutor-investigate-gop-voter-fraud

Charging that the FBI probe of ACORN represents an “unholy alliance” between Republican operatives and potentially illegal conduct by law enforcement targeting voter fraud, the Obama campaign demanded Friday that the U.S. special prosecutor looking into the U.S. attorneys scandal investigate the matter.

General counsel Bob Bauer sent a letter to Atty. Gen. Michael Mukasey charging that coordinated “misconduct” by McCain campaign representatives and GOP officials were relevant to the special prosecutor’s work, because the activities may relate to the dismissal of seven U.S. attorneys in late 2006.

The letter requests that the special prosecutor’s inquiry “include a review of any involvement by Justice Dept. and White House officials in supporting the McCain-Palin campaign systematic development and dissemination of unsupported, spurious allegations of vote fraud.”

To advance the effort, the Obama campaign convened a conference call with national reporters, though Friday afternoon is not a time that campaigns usually push priority messages.

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22. We are redeemed!

Isn't this the best! Finally, a proactive move.

We've been around this issue for a while and it's the first time I've seen someone in the
party do the right thing at the right time. I cringe at the memory of the DNC report on
Ohio and the 100 pages of bad stats proving that Kerry out (they never used the exit poll
for Ohio).


Kerry 53% - Bush 47%
Bottom right corner
http://www.exitpollz.org/

[bleever]

9. Look, I'm not here to be a cheerleader,

but GO TEAM!

Somebody not only gets it; the somebody who gets it is our presidential candidate.

I harbor a secret wish that when Obama uses his national TV buy, he talks about where people who had problems voting can come to register their complaints with the DNC and the campaign.

[althecat]

14. That would be very helpful indeed.....

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21. I think we've got a guy with real tactical skills

That complaint letter to Mukasey was really a "notice" letter - you're doing something wrong, we know it, now you know we know and we'll put the screws to you legally if you persist." Mukasey will know what it is and can choose. Fascinating and very intelligent move.

We need to get everybody up on 'voter fraud' fraud;) And we will.

:hi:

[LibertyorDeath]

11. Thanks for this

:hi: good to see you !

National Media List

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1903

REC! :kick: :kick: :kick:

[althecat]

12. I love this graphic from brennan center - "Eeeek a fraud"

http://truthaboutfraud.org/

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20. Weak support for that big guy.

Me thinks the elephant doeth protest too much!

[Hubert Flottz]

15. K&R...

Some good information.

Karl Rove must be defeated once and for all.

[pleah]

16. K&R

[ihavenobias]

17. K & R, no question

[knowbody0]

19. kick

[truedelphi]

23. One thing everyone can do on election day is to bring their camera phone

With them into the polling place. (Make sure ring tone are turned off.)

Have it record your vote. If you see the vote flipped, you have it recorded for all posterity!!

[mod mom]

26. or if you are an Ohio voter REQUEST A PAPER BALLOT!

[truedelphi]

28. Don't know how paper ballots are counted in Ohio, but in many places in

California, the paper ballots are simply scanned into OptiScan machinery - whose memory devices can be hacked just as easily as a central Diebold tabulater.

Oregon and New Mexico have fairly high standards for paper ballot counting. Not sure about the other states though.

[mod mom]

30. In Ohio, they will be tabulated into op-scan but at least there is a record besides

the minute font on the paper tape within the machine. Alos they will be counted on election night although not included in the precinct posted machine totals.

[truedelphi]

42. Given who controls the average polling place in this country, I donot find your response

Re-assuring at all.

But hopefully the level of commitment that people like yourself, and your brave Secretary of State, are so willing to demonstrate will indeed overcome the obstacles.

[EFerrari]

24. Kick

[mod mom]

25. thanks for the fact sheet, I usually quote the LWV study showing 4 incidences in OH out of 9 million

BTW the GOP filed another suit in OH taking it to the GOP dominated OH supreme court. Look what a friend discovered:

-snip

I’m not sure what is actually going on with the state database. It’s manual indicates that notices of mismatch are sent to local BOEs (quoted in the 6th Circuit’s 3-judge panel decision, around 10/10). That appears to jive with HAVA and Ohio law. BUT in Brunner’s memorandum in support of stay filed earlier with District court in ORP v. Brunner she states:

that the previous Secretary of State, in June of 2006, decided to reprogram the Statewide Voter Registration Database so that various error notifications from BMV's non-matches or mismatches were not automatically sent to the boards of elections. Worley Affidavit.

Notification turned off by Blackwell prior to his unsuccessful run for Governor?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/18/103757/92/193/634409

WHY DO YOU THINK BLACKWELL WOULD DO THIS? BTW HE IS A "DISTINGUISHED FELLOW' OF THE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE-THE GROUP THAT FILED A RICO ACTION AGAINST ACORN. RELATED?

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37. "Distinguished Fellow" or "Stain on the Reputation of the State"

I vote for "Stain." Who knows what will happen with those databases.

The margin is so big and the support by the press so broad that some of these folks will get scared off, similar to 2006.

Buckeye Institute (from memory) - Cincinnati?

[mod mom]

40. Actually Columbus

:blush: as you might recall we are also home of Batelle Institute.

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45. Oh right

Batelle, little sketchy too;)

[mod mom]

46. but don't forget we are also home of the pro democracy pro social justice CICJ

Columbus Institute for Contemporary Journalism-aka Free Press

:hi:

[CitizenPatriot]

31. DoJ rules which they are violating

a great article on this

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/ex_doj_voting_rights_chief_its.php



snip:

A former top Department of Justice voting rights official -- who once worked with John McCain in defense of the senator's campaign-finance reform bill -- has added his name to the growing chorus that is denouncing the department's investigation of ACORN as a shameful and inappropriate politicization of Justice along the lines of the US attorney firings.....

Hebert, noting that he had been at DOJ during the administrations of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, added: "During the twenty-one years I was there, even though there were political appointees who I worked with, never did we inject partisan considerations into our law-enforcement responsibilities. That has clearly not been the case in recent years under this administration. And it's going to take a long time to cleanse the Department of Justice."

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the rules the DoJ are violating:

When investigating election fraud, three considerations that are absent from most criminal investigations must be kept in mind: (1) respect for the primary role of the states in administering the voting process, (2) an awareness of the role of the election in the governmental process, and (3) sensitivity to the exercise of First Amendment rights in the election context. As a result there are limitations on various investigative steps in an election fraud case.

In most cases, election-related documents should not be taken from the custody of local election administrators until the election to which they pertain has been certified, and the time for contesting the election results has expired. This avoids interfering with the governmental processes affected by the election

Another limitation affects voter interviews. Election fraud cases often depend on the testimony of individual voters whose votes were co-opted in one way or another. But in most cases voters should not be interviewed, or other voter-related investigation done, until after the election is over. Such overt investigative steps may chill legitimate voting activities. They are also likely to be perceived by voters and candidates as an intrusion into the election. Indeed, the fact of a federal criminal investigation may itself become an issue in the election.

[wiseoldman]

32. I think Mickey Mouse was going to vote for McLame anyway! EOM

[Kurovski]

33. K&R

Geez. I may have to go ahead and put internet access on my credit card already, just to read auto's and al's stuff.

(Oh, and to look at nekkid menfolk, too.)

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38. He Lives!!! The Prince

Free!!! Put those Susan B Anthony's back in your pocket.








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[Kurovski]

41. I love Italian men.

Gratzi. :smoke:

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47. Italian???

[No Elephants]

34. That dog don't bark. That dog won't hunt, either.

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36. Come to think of it...

I've got to big dogs and I'd like to figure out how to stop them barking.

This "voter fraud" scam is the 2nd oldest trick used to hold down the black and Latino vote.

what's the first - you guessed it - for 2.5 million citizens, ex felons who did their time and are law abiding citizens - the PERMANENT DENIAL OF THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE.

We'll get the dogs to hunt down the KKK/"Redeemer movement" inspired politicians who invented this crap. They're committing massive ELECTION FRAUD. Fetch rover, bring them to justice (a court)

[althecat]

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[Hubert Flottz]

39. Kick

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[Kurovski]

44. Kick. (nt)