Deserter - can bush still be charged with desertion

[2Design]

I was thinking of this story

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/15/us.deserter/

where USA was planning on going after this guy for desertion, when it happened umpteen years ago.

Could they go after Bush for desertion too? Since he was gone from his unit over 30 days, I understand that is not awol but desertion.


I would like to see the day after the election all of these criminals charged with all the possible crimes they committed.

We have martha stewart going to jail over nothing while this whole band of liars and scammers have fleeced the usa, including ARnold.

[splat]

1. then

It's about the future.

[Syncronaut Seven]

2. YES!

Only the Viet Nam draft dodgers got amnesty. Deserters of all US conflicts are still wanted men.

Yes, our boy emperor is a true deserter, It is a technically accurate description, and prosecuteable as far as I know.

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[olddem43]

4. Probably not - the fact that he pulled enough strings to

get an honorable discharge would preclude that. Except, of course, in the court of public opinion.

[Gregorian]

6. The joke's on me.

I thought he had received a dihonorable discharge. I remember reading it somewhere. Probably a forum.
I don't think this guy can breath without offending me. I'm so pissed off. And to think we can just sit here and hope he gets voted out. After all they've done, he should be hung.
Thanks for putting me straight on the honorable discharge. Can you tell me where to find that info? I suppose Google is a good place to start...

[rocktivity]

9. Well, if got an honorable discharge though he deserted

let's charge him with that, too!

:headbang:
rocknation

[democratreformed]

5. This is my dream.

Bush is charged with desertion and found guilty. Instead of jail time, his sentence is to serve out the rest of his term - on the front lines in Iraq!

[Junkdrawer]

7. To: G. W. Bush - Crawford, Texas....... Greetings...

It has come to our attention that you have 12 months of military service still unserved in your commitment to the Texas Air National Guard. As you may be aware, there is a need for trained pilots in Iraq....

[Keirsey]

8. Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) ART. 85. DESERTION

(a) Any member of the armed forces who--

(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;

(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or

(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States;

is guilty of desertion.

(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion.

(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.

ART. 86. ABSENCE WITHOUT LEAVE

Any member of the armed forces who, without authority--

(1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;

(2) goes from that place; or

(3) absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Still looking for information on statute of limitation for desertion.

[GoldenOldie]

10. This is a job for Larry Klagman and Judical Watch????

An investigation into who signed off on George W. Bush's Honorable Discharge should be fairly easy. It would be cost effective to have the Pentagon do a search/investigation on George at the same time they are doing the search/investigation on John Kerry. After all it was during the same time period.

I would think that whomever signed George's discharge also had his complete records of his military activities. If the Officer who signed Georgie out did so with knowledge that he had deserted that Officer should be also subject to military charges.

Wonder what Georgie, The Commander-in-chief will do to those guys and gals that decide they don't want to return to duty????

[rl6214]

19. Does serving as Commander & Chief

count as military service? If so then President Clinton served more years than Bush.

[topanga]

11. I go tthis off of a crazy republican forum....

The Vietnam Veterans Against The War (VVAW) sent their own delegation to Paris to meet with the representatives of the National Liberation Front (also known as the "Viet Cong") in 1971.

The NLF was our ENEMY during the war and John Kerry, leader and spokesman of the VVAW, was actually meeting with THEM to help coordinate VVAW's activities here in the USA.

This photograph is from the book "The Winter Soldiers", by Richard Stacewicz, page 284:

Caption: First peace meeting between VVAW and the NLF, Paris, 1971.

Though the picture doesn't show Hanoi John himself - he DOES admit to meeting with them in Paris in his Congressional Testimony April 22, 1971:


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LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS RELATING TO THE WAR IN SOUTHEAST ASIA -
UNITED STATES SENATE;
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,
Washington, D.C.

The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:05 a.m., in Room 4221, New Senate Office Building, Senator J. W. Fulbright (Chairman) presiding.
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CHAIRMAN. Do you support or do you have any particular views about any one of them you wish to give the committee?

KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.
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KERRY. Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if we can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrel programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country.
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Unbefrickenlievable!

So Hanoi-John Kerry, while still a U.S. Naval Officer Reservist, met with enemy leaders during the war to discuss and coordinate his group's efforts to push Congress for America to "immediately and unilaterally" end the war according to the ENEMY'S conditions, in other words - to just give up.

In essence, he conspired with the enemy for America to surrender.

That idiot traitor actually had the gall to insist that the US set a specific date for troop withdrawal and THEN the North Vietnamese would BEGIN to talk about releasing the POWs. Essentially Hanoi-John was pushing for an unconditional surrender by America with NO assurances that ANY POWs would ever be released!

That POS traitor is FAR worse than Hanoi-Jane.

While still an officer in the Naval Reserve, he met with and conspired with the enemy during a time of war to get us to surrender. That's treason - no two ways about it.

He's is a full-blown seditious traitor if there ever was one!!!



NEVER FORGET:

QUESTION: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

"It was essential to our strategy.

Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9AM to follow the growth of the antiwar movement.

Those people represented the conscience of America.

The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor.

America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."

~ Former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin, Interviewed in "How North Vietnam Won the War," by Stephen Young, Wall Street Journal, Thursday, August 3, 1995.

[topanga]

12. It only goes to show how low these repub lowlifes will go to!

John Kerry was man enough to try to do something on his own, and now they castigate him over it.

Shameful for them. Uplifting to me!

[topanga]

13. I looked on the internet for anything about this..

And could find nothing, just more NeoCon lies against one of americas best!

[2Design]

14. topanga why are you posting this in a thread asking about

charging Bush with desertion????

[Maddy McCall]

15. Good question...I was wondering the same thing.

[topanga]

16. Because...

I was trying to dig up any backround on it and thought it might interest some of the other left brain thinkers out there.

I am not in any way supporting what the idiot posted, just showing the depths that they are willing to go.

[2Design]

17. posting negative CRAP about kerry in a thread looking into

the fact that Bush should be charged with desertion is not supportive of OUR candidate and does not further our cause.

And I don't care the depths that the Cheap Labor Conservatives are willing to go - I have seen that for almost four years. I don't need to see what they say here on DU. I don't go to their sites because I don't care to read their CRAP and lies..

[topanga]

18. Sorry!

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, it just struck me as so absurd.