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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:41 AM
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"Obama will write refund checks to people who don't even pay taxes": McCain
That's one of the latest stump attacks, first used by RW talk show hosts, then Steve Schneider after the debate, and now on the stump.

I can't wait for surrogates, the MSM, and Obama or Biden to counter these fucking lies with the truth!

The 95% who will get refunds are 95% of working Americans, not all Americans, but the truth no longer matters to these bastards.

:patriot:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:45 AM
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1. Could he be implying blacks?
Like Reagan's welfare queen?

Just a crazy guess.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:52 AM
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9. You betcha, they're not real Americans, especially those "city blacks"...
If you've heard Palin lately, she really loves the more American country places... excuse me, :puke: she would NOT like DC!
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:40 AM
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23. Nah... just reassuring the Corporations that they will
continue to get money from the government!
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:54 AM
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27. Reagan was a racist bastard
He launched his campaign in the very city in Missippii where three young people marching for freedom were murdered. He used all the code words for demeaning Blacks. I am glad the bastard is dead.
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:46 AM
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2. Like Joe the Plumber? n/t
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:48 AM
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3. We already do that, you ignorant sack of shit...
It's called the Earned Income Credit, and it creates refunds for people who typically have no tax liability. The programs been in place for nearly thirty years and was endorsed as "the most effective anti-poverty program we've got" by...wait for it...RONALD REAGAN.

What ignorate bag of ass that man is...
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:50 AM
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4. For a moment there, Jeff,
I thought you were talking to me.....phew!

mornin'! :donut:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:53 AM
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Never in million years...
:)
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:05 AM
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17. I think I've been called ignorant...
and a sack of shit, but never both!

And that record remains unbroken!

I can't bear to watch these fucking lies, to me they're worse than the "cultural" smears because those turn people off, the lies about taxes might be more effective.

Fuck fuck fuck!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:53 AM
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10. Thank you!!
Does this guy KNOW anything about anything? He just keeps stepping in it everytime he opens his mouth.

He'd have a better shot at winning if he just hung out with Cheney in the bunker for the next week!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:46 AM
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24. It's supposed to offset FICA taxes
That's why you have to Earn Money With A Job in order to get it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:50 AM
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5. What an idiot - yeah, no tax cuts for poor people says McCain
He's a fucking idiot playing this class warfare game - what a piece of Republican filth.
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:50 AM
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6. The Straight Talk Express has run over too many people
With all the people McCain has thrown under the bus, the Straight Talk Express now has major suspension problems. It's pulling heavily to the right.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:50 AM
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7. McPotatohead is in automatic lie mode now
Probably why he sticks his tongue out so much. It's on fire.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:51 AM
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8. I wasn't working, Bush sent me a check.....
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:54 AM
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13. Bush sent you 2 checks, probably...
didn't you get one back in 2001? The $300 "vote for me" bribe?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:57 AM
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Uh......I WAS making a fortune in 2001 so I don't remember if I got one of those
or not.....

Maybe I did......gettin' old.....
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 07:38 PM
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31. yeah, you got one... everyone did
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 07:40 PM by gmoney
Clinton's smart leadership had lead to a budget surplus, which for some reason dumbasses equate with being out of debt, so Bush promised to give back some of "our money" in the form of the $300 checks. Of course, if you were rich at the time, you probably got a much larger check.

It's like the couple with a mortgage and credit card debt FINALLY getting the household budget to the point where they don't spend every dime they earn and MORE, so instead of paying down the credit card or mortgage, decide to buy a new war. I mean, new car.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:56 AM
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15. Yeah, but Bush is a white republican.... duh!
:rofl:

I re-heard McCain say, "we've got to change the CULTURE of America" in the debate abortion segment.

Can you imagine if Obama had said that? Change the CULTURE of America?!!!

I don't have to tell you the kind of spin they'd be taking with that comment.

Fuck.

Good morning cliffordu! :donut:
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:53 AM
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11. if I "didn't even pay taxes" I'd still spend about 34% of my pay on taxes
even for those who have so many credits and deductions that they get every single penny of federal income tax back they still pay

1.5% Medicare Tax
12.6% Social Security Tax (including what the employer pays to SS instead of paying to them)
0-9% State income taxes
3-6% sales taxes - Half or more their income is spent buying taxable goods (depending on if they have sales taxes on food)
5-20% embedded "invisible" taxes in the price of what they buy
3-9% personal property taxes, fees, licenses etc.
3-20% real estate taxes (also built into rent or trailer lot rent payments)

any claim that anyone who works is not paying taxes is a stupid ass.
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:53 AM
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12. Idiots!!!
ALL people pay PAYROLL TAXES!! for social security.. I love how they claim 40% pay NO taxes.. they mean income taxes.. but for those they pay both.. look at your pay stubs.. payroll taxes almost exceed income taxes for many..
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:55 AM
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14. About 38% of households pay no income tax, but they do pay payroll taxes which go into same pot
And, are used to bankroll federal spending.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:57 AM
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16. You mean like your friends with accounts in Lichtenstein banks?
Whatever happened to that story?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:07 AM
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18. Many of tax rebates checks went to people that didn't have to pay taxes
such as the very elderly and those on disability. Will McCain take that money back?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:14 AM
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21. Correction on my part, "Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families"
"Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples." is from barackobama.com/taxes.

Cut taxes, not send refund checks to, still the BS from the stump suggest checks are going to be written...
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:10 AM
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19. The last refund checks did the samething. So what's he talking about?
It's like when he bashes Obama for associating with ACORN, yet McSame was associating with the same group. :shrug:

McSame's lies are disturbing. I don't exactly know what it is about the lying... maybe it's the added sarcasm or maybe it's that he's too thick headed and stubborn to see it any other way that is upsetting. Take the last debate and Obama spelling out his tax policy and the businesses exempt and all, and then McSame still says Obama will raise your taxes. Just shut the hell up McSame! Obama just spelled it out to you! Damn!
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:10 AM
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20. Pure class warfare.
ALL Americans pay taxes whether they be income, payroll, sales, property, excise, etc... mcRacist is lying to the American people.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:14 AM
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22. Gee, somebody explain what the Earned Income Tax Credit is to John McCain.....
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 11:19 AM by suston96
It's been going to folks with "earned income" but who don't make enough to "pay taxes".

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96406,00.html
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:51 AM
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25. McCain/Palin....yeah, that's the ticket
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:53 AM
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26. McCain's "health care plan" is a refundable $5K
Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 11:53 AM by gulliver
So since it is refundable, that makes it a spread-the-wealth hand-out to non-taxpayers. McCain's a wealth redistributionist commie. But he never lets on for the rubes. He may be a betting man, be he never makes a bet on the intelligence of the American voter.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 11:57 AM
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28. ...and Obama always says "95% of Working Americans" ...
implying, those who pay taxes.

No REASONABLE person believes he is going give a tax cut to anyone who does not file taxes.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 01:21 PM
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29. Bush wrote me a refund check
and I don't pay taxes.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 02:33 PM
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30. Americans hate the poor. And after a few days of claiming Obama wants
to start class warfare...the GOP does it. Of course tax cuts are not going to people who don't pay taxes. Of course it is all about getting to the reptillian part of the middle class brain. Same as it ever was.
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