Kerry should tell the truth. The truth will set him free.

[wurzel]

The Republicans have no hesitation in lying about Sen. Kerry. But the Dems seem to have a strange reluctance to tell the truth about George Bush. Why is that?

[JI7]

1. because they have the media on their side

and anything kerry says will be criticized and inspected. anything bush says is taken as fact.

[topanga]

2. No one would beleive the evil that the shrub has done.

Thats why.

We need to beat him again this time around and we need to make it stick.

[wurzel]

9. We wont make it stick if we don't say it.

[topanga]

10. But, Those who say it...

WIll wind up dead, with a bullet in the back of their heads, like some tin-pot dictators opposition.

Don't put anything past this evil man.

[wurzel]

22. Wow. You even more cynical than I am.

Though I have to admit we do seem to have had an extraordinary level of casualties through the years.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

3. It is a Republican lie to say that Kerry won't tell the truth.

nothing but.



Since you are accusing the Democratic nominee of being a liar


why don't you tell us


when did Kerry 'not tell the truth about Bush' ???

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[wurzel]

8. You seem to have a fixation on the word "liar"

To ask some one to tell the truth is not an accusation of lying. When a witness is asked in a court room to tell the truth, no one has accused him of "lying". There has been a total attempt at character assassination against John Kerry by Bush and his Party. True, Kerry has gone after Cheney a little. But there is an inexplicable silence about Bush. Bush was a drunk, a drug user, an alcoholic, a corporate crook, a corrupt Governor, a draft dodger, and he went AWOL if not deserted. Kerry seems to have led an exemplary life. Yet his character is constantly being put on the defensive. Try to get over your unaccountable hostility and understand what I am really saying. I don't know what you are fighting me about. We are on the same side.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Can you cite one example of Kerry not telling the truth about Bush?

If not, it is a lie to say that Kerry doesn't tell the truth about Bush.

[Apple Smoothie]

12. I think...

what the poster means is that Kerry doesn't expose enough of the truth, i.e. what he does say is true, but he doesn't tell enough about the chimp's rotten record.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

14. I'm commenting on what was said, not what you imagine s/he might think

If the poster had said something different, I might have no objection.

[wurzel]

18. "By George you've got it! By George you've got it!"

Thank you.

[wurzel]

16. I agree that when Kerry talks about Bush he tells the truth.

But there is a lot of truth about Bush that is not being said. That is the truth I mean. The truth that goes unsaid. Please understand. This is a totally unfair burden to put on Kerry. But I can see that this media is not going to tell the truth about Bush. We can't expect the Repukes to. But when other Dems try they are either shouted down, like Tom Harken was, or they are ignored.

But I don't think even this media can ignore what Kerry says. The first time I heard the media talk about Cheney's military deferments was when Kerry told about it a couple of days ago. They had to mention it because KERRY said it. Look what Zel Miller said about Kerry. It was all lies. But he got away with it. I think Kerry can do the same to Bush and he certainly doesn't have to lie. All he needs is to tell the "unsaid truth" about Bush. It is a lousy way. But if it is the only one you've got, that is the way you have to go.

I am what is called a "Bush Hater". I feel bad about that. I have never felt that way before. But I can't help it. He cannot be allowed to win this election. It will legitimize everything he has done in the last four years.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

17. Then why spread the false Republican spin that he doesn't?

You are contradicting yourself.

[wurzel]

21. What do you mean "The Republican Spin".

I took the trouble to post you a long post on where I stand. you reply with a one liner that indicates you haven't read a word I said. If you look at the first two replies to my thread those posters immediately understood what I was getting at. Why do you think differently? The poster you objected to also got exactly what I was talking about.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

26. The ideas that Kerry doesn't tell the truth and is too weak are Repub spin

Speaking of pretending to not get the point...

:eyes:

[wurzel]

29. Kerry is not "too weak"! He is too decent.

He biggest draw back is that he is a fundamentally decent and honest man. It puts him at a huge disadvantage when dealing with the likes of Rove. He is going to have to put his sense of decency aside. That is not "weakness". I have no idea how you got that idea.

[JPJones]

4. In other words, it's the lying, stupid. n/t

[MrBenchley]

5. Kerry is telling the truth...

He has a good plan for jobs, and he's discussing that.

He has a good plan for health care and he's discvussing that.

There are any number of reasons to vote FOR John Kerry...and he's discussing all of those.

[wurzel]

7. I am talking about telling the truth about Bush.

I have no doubt about Kerry's veracity.

[MrBenchley]

13. In other words, you want cheap personal attacks instead of issues....

[wurzel]

19. I want to win!!

And telling the truth about George Bush is not a cheap attack. Bush is the biggest threat to the welfare of ordinary Americans and the very fabric of our society I have ever seen. The only people we can appeal to now are the "undecideds". If they are still undecided they are by definition complete idiots. They must be treated accordingly. Their vote counts as much as yours or mine.

[MrBenchley]

34. "they are by definition complete idiots" Say what?

It's wonderful to see the contempt and hatred some folks here have for their fellow Americans...

What voters need is a reason to vote FOR Kerry...

[hansolsen]

35. It is not a cheap persaonal attack to oppose Bush on the war in Iraq and

show that Bush lied to get us into that war, approved torture, approved targeted assassinations, and so on. This speaks to Bush's character which is evil, and incidentally, unChristian. It undercusts his strongest case for reelection.

The kerry campaign has not made the case that Bush is an evil little bastard, and the amin reason is the Kerry brain trust has dithered on the war in Iraq.

[Doosh]

15. truth isn't enough

we need to hit them hard with lies, smears, etc. Everything that Rove hits us with. The people need more than just truth, they need juicy bullcrap. It may be dirty, but it works. None of this "staying above the fray" get on there level.

[wurzel]

20. In my view Kerry only has to tell the truth about Bush to destroy him

The media won't do it. Dems get ignored. Only Kerry himself can force this media to look at Bush.

[roseBudd]

24. It cannot be communicated in 100 words or less

[wurzel]

27. That's the truth.

But we have to start somewhere. And though it is totally unfair, the burden has fallen on Kerry.

[hansolsen]

25. The Kerry campaign brain trust has been oh too willing to cede the high

moral ground to Bush on the war in Iraq, because high placed dems are ambivalent about the war. 80% of the dem base is against that war for moral and ethical reasons. We know Bush lied to start the war, approved torture, approved targeted assassinations, and approved vile smears of his opponents.

Bush is unethical. This is a character issue. Kerry needs to attack Bush on the war in Iraq, and implications for Bush's character and fitness to govern. Thoese in the campaing who want to drop any discussion of Iraq and move to domestic issues, are ceding the high moral ground to Bush in foreign policy. If we cede that ground Bush deserves to win and will win.

All Kerry needs to do is talk about Bush's character and what this war says about his character. he needs to forget everything he has said about Iraq in the past and just move on. And he needs to do it now.

[wurzel]

28. Yes. Yes. Yes.

But please don't say "Bush deserves to win". I can't face it.

[hansolsen]

31. I'm saying it now so we won't need to hear it later. Make no mistake,

if we lose this election, it will be because we gave Bush a clear field to run on as the God candidate, the holier than thou, pure as the driven snow candidate, the nice guy everybody wants to have a beer with.

Meanwhile Bush in real life is a vicious, evil, lying bastard who started an unjust war, while Democrats in high places strew rose petals in his path. Damn them and damn their timid campaign.

John Kerry needs to get mad, throw out the handwringers on his staff, start the engines on his Swift Boat, man the 50 caliber maching gun on the deck and go to war on the Bush Rove slime machine. It is now or never.

[wurzel]

32. I am with you.

And unfortunately for Kerry, he is the only one who can.

[hansolsen]

33. Yup. N/T

[Monte Carlo]

23. What truth is that?

I'm not trying to antagonize you, but I think you need to be more specific, because I think there are lots of truths about W.

[wurzel]

30. The truth about Bush's military career and his corporate dealing's.

He should actually accuse Bush of going AWOL. From what even I can see there is plenty of evidence. He should tie Bush to Cheney and Haliburton. He should talk about the Carlyle group. The Bush relationship with the Saudis. That will do for starters. The message should be Bush is incompetent and corrupt. Which he is.